• doingthestuff@lemy.lol
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    4 hours ago

    honestly Palestine/Hamas was trying to commit genocide too but they got uno reverse carded

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      They are in fact trying the classical definition of genocide, the death of every Jew in Israel and the removal of the country.

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    Because the big players there are not serious idealogues, they are paid a paltry sum through private channels to constantly spread Russian and Chinese disinformation in their larger psyop campaign against the West.

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      Highly doubtful. The amount of time, money, and effort would be much better spent elsewhere. Lemmy’s audience is very small.

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        Yeah, more likely the actors on Lemmy are just useful idiots parroting propaganda points they’ve heard elsewhere.

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        Basically none on the part of the handlers. Often this arrangement is handled by a private firm that doesn’t necessarily have to be Russian or Chinese, I have heard of one operating in Australia. The posters themselves are spending a lot of time, but they’re the ones selling it.

        Money

        Again, they’re not exactly paying these guys a living wage, and even if they were, it’s peanut crumbs for state-level actors.

        Effort

        A lot of people say that Lemmy is not worth the effort to demoralize because it’s too small, I say the effort is too small to not be worth the investment. I would even say that Lemmy users are self-selected for radicalization in some ways, broadly speaking they are fed up with corporate social media and corporatism in general.

        It’s also a somewhat important step to have a place they can speak unfiltered amongst themselves, no matter how small the clubhouse is. That’s where the real funky shit happens.

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          I doubt those people are even aware of Lemmy, let alone hiring teams of people to post here. But regardless of how plausible it is, this is just speculation with no evidence behind it.

          That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

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        10 hours ago

        A whopping two downvotes, yeah I’m sure the paid social media spam targets the 17k active users on lemmy.world and not the billions of users on Facebook

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      For anyone that needs to hear it, you can have both. You can live in a free society and also plot to bisect your nearest oligarch next time they go to their favorite sushi restaurant

    • Chinese against Uighurs?

      China is fairly open that the camps do exist. We also have various credible government leaks describing the size of the operation.

      It should be noted that China maintains these are re-education camps intended as an anti-terrorism measure. Given their history, this is likely to be correct. To the west, re-educating to erase ones culture can be considered a cultural genocide. But since it doesn’t have the same effect as an ethnic genocide (eg mass killings) the reaction is a lot more muted.

      What China does deny is that the people inside these camps are used for labour, e.g. what is effectively slavery. There’s decent evidence to suggest this is the case, but the full nature of this is not really well-known afaik.

      Ukrainian Banderites in the Donbas? Exercise for the reader

      The only ones to ever claim that was Russia, and they never provided any credible evidence for it. It also conveniently came after some political developments in the rest of Ukraine didn’t go Russia’s way.

      The west still has free media outlets (the US less so, but in Europe the situation is better at least). Investigative journalists would definitely have jumped on a story like that if it were true, but they never managed to prove any of it.