• Tinidril@midwest.social
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        Nothing is fixed. There are no penalties whatsoever for Israel if they break this ceasefire, and that is by design. Israel wants to pause and reload. When they are ready, they will find an excuse and start right back up. They want that land, and they are going to get it with our help.

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          There was a ceasefire between Hezbollah and Israel from 2006 until October 8th 2023. Then Hezbollah attacked Israel for a year causing tens of thousands of Israelis to flee the north, before the IDF went in to stop the attacks.

          Hezbollah should not have even been in southern Lebanon according to UNSC resolution 1701.

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            Was Israel really attacked In October 2023? This is the first I heard of it. So weird for something like that to just happen out of the clear blue sky to such wonderful people who definitely didn’t provoke it or anything.

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              Sure there’s a history behind everything. This escalations started on October 7th 2023. It remains the day with the most violent deaths in one day for all of the wars involving Israel.

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                I’m sorry (not really) but decades of watching Israel unnecessarily provoke Palestine with apartheid dominance and unjustified illegal land grabs, I’m fucking done with “both sides”. The prejudices might be symmetrical, but only Israel had the power to alter the dynamics, and they chose the path to violence.

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      What about Sudan Biden? What about mexico biden? What about DRC biden? What about Myanmar Biden? Eh eh eh ??!!

      Is this really how your mind operates?

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          I’m questioning the first comment’s rethoric.

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            He is asking Biden to at least advocate for imposing pressure on Israelis if it can’t do it

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              That’s a surprising, to me, interpretation of that comment. Can you please point out to me where the comment argued for diplomacy?

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                  Sure. Line-by-line we venture:

                  Sooo…what about Gaza, Biden?

                  No indication of argueing for diplomacy

                  What about Palestine, Biden?

                  Idem

                  Eh?

                  Idem

                  Eh??

                  Idem

                  In conclusion: to the best of my abilities, I fail to see how this comment argues for diplomacy.

                  “He is asking Biden to at least advocate for imposing pressure on Israelis if it can’t do it”, so far as I can see, that tought is not present in that comment.

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                    Israel only stop what they does when they are pressured to do so. If you think that stopping arming them wouldn’t make them stop the war of Gaza, I don’t know what else I can say to you

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              I’m sure if Hamas agreed to retreat 20 miles from the border they’d get the same deal

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                I am sure if Israel didn’t decide to invade the West bank and Gaza in 67 they would live in peace

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                  I’m not sure if you’re joking, but if you’re not, you might want to read a little about the war you’re referencing.

                  Israel invaded those territories because Jordan and Egypt were using them to launch a surprise attack.

                  “Live in peace” is a bit subjective in your example lol

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                    I love of israelis themselves expose those lies

                    The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him. - Mossad Chief Meir Amit

                    This entire story about the danger of extermination was invented and exaggerated after the fact to justify the annexation of new Arab territories“. - Israeli Minister Mordecai Bentov

                    They attacked on a Monday, knowing that on Wednesday the Egyptian vice-president would arrive in Washington to talk about re-opening the Strait of Tiran. We might not have succeeded in getting Egypt to reopen the strait, but it was a real possibility.” - Dean Rusk, the American Secretary of State at that time

                    We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn’t possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn’t shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that’s how it was. - Israeli general Moshe Dayan

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                Gaza is only 25 miles long and, at it’s widest, 7.5 miles thick. It’s literally impossible to move 20 miles from the border.

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                Uh… So Israel can settle it? No fucking thanks. And in the first place Gaza is only 25 miles long.

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                  I’m sorry I have to explain this. In the case of Hezbollah, they’re agreeing to retreat to a distance from the border from where they can’t (significantly) attack Israel again. The poster I’m replying to questions why Israel can’t (be forced to) make a similar deal with Hamas. I’m using sarcasm to point to an important reason why

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                    I didn’t see a thing stating Hezbollah agreed on that article.

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                20 miles from the border is in the Sea… Which shows again how anything short of total annihilation of anyone question Israel supremacy seems insufficient for Israel and its supporters.

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                    If Israel also disarms in all of its currently controlled territory, which is the meaning of the 20 miles in Gaza then sure.

                    If Palestinians should roll over and wait for Israel to finish its genocide then obviously not.

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                So you’re suggesting ethnic cleansing. You don’t have to say it because that’s the only possible consequence of your suggestion. Absolutely disgusting.

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                    are you pretending the killing has been limited to hamas or hezbollah? thats not what the israeli leadership has been saying.

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                    Let me ask the person that is the designated Hamas spokesman according to Israel, must have learned to read and write by now, possibly even how to ride a bicycle if Israel hasn’t bombed his school Hamas command center yet.