• Comment105@lemm.ee
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    19 hours ago

    I don’t think they’d find that very insightful.

    It’s plain hedonism. I’m sure they’re familiar with the idea.

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        18 hours ago

        Bentham developed hedonistic calculus. The foundation is a multivariate ethical vector space. He rationalized hedonism to the extreme. The passions are explicitly tempered for a calculated greater good.

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            17 hours ago

            No? Once reason restricts passion, the hierarchy collapses. An action that causes yourself mild pain, but pleasure of greater extent to others, is preferable to an action that causes many others pain even if it gives you pleasure personally. Reason demands you restrain yourself from the passions that would harm others. That’s not unilateral fealty. Axioms must be assumed, but the most powerful systems assume as few as possible, and leave most of the legwork to reason.

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                9 hours ago

                I disagree. Reason can take you there by virtue of justice or equality.

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                    8 hours ago
                    1. I am a sentient creature that feels pain and pleasure

                    2. Others appear to be sentient creatures that feel pain and pleasure

                    3. Pain is bad, so I should avoid inflicting it

                    You don’t need empathy as an axiom to derive it rationally

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                16 hours ago

                It’s not exactly something everyone has. There are quite a few psychopaths and sociopaths and a huge amount of narcissists out there