This is a good opportunity to ask why sex work is still illegal (unless you’re rich ofc) in the US.
We could basically end the incel phenomenon and deal a huge blow to the sex slavery trade overnight (and for very little cost to taxpayers or society) by making sex work legal and bringing it into daylight.
Ftr Incels exist in Australia and they have a red light district.
Incels don’t want to pay for sex.
Don’t get me wrong, I think it should be legal too if for no other reason that it makes it safer for the sex workers.
But just manage your expectations of what sexual deviants expect as Sex work doesn’t put an end to that part of the equation. Buying sex is still available even if illegal and you’re still going to have sexual deviants,psychopaths and incels. For Those groups in particular it is less about sex and more about power (and often hatred for women) hence the toxic energy they bring into sex.
Another issue for some deviants is sex workers carry a degree of consent. And shitheads like that aren’t looking for consent.
incels may not be seeking for paid sex as much as they want more power top relationship towards women(or feel entitled to) but they are unwilling to work on their personality. So their problem stems not from sex but more from their personality and feeling unloved with the sex they feel entitled to combined into that.
You don’t bring that kind of hate energy for an entire gender just over being horny.
If you want to deal with a problematic group, in this case incels, I don’t think it’s generally helpful to consider them a monolith. There’s different clades in these types of groups that have different views and motivations. I think you’re probably right, I did set my expectations too high there, but I do think that there’s some quantum of incels who really do end up getting into the toxic shit because of the sexual frustration. I think it’s probably much fairer to say that you could defuse at least a meaningful number of incels with legal sex work.
I don’t doubt that some get into problematic shit due to sexual frustration (and inability to cope), but that doesn’t mean getting laid is what they need first. They need to learn to cope with sexual frustration, get out of the problematic shit, then getting laid would be nice.
How would it be a cost, surely it would be a net positive since we can now tax something that’s already being done, no?
I see no downsides, provided there are restrictions on advertisement and where they can set up shop. I’m not interested in it at all, but I am interested in reducing sex slavery, arrests of women (and men!) who are just trying to feed their kids, etc. My general philosophy is that if someone wants to do a thing, and it doesn’t violate anyone else’s rights, there should be a legal way to do that thing.
It would need to be regulated to ensure that people are doing this work freely and responsibly (not being compelled by a pimp or spreading STDs). No regulation enforcement is free. It would be a net positive, sure, but not free.
Sex work is illegal because giving people the ability to use something they own (their body) as their own means of production removes a barrier to success, causing some of the power to slip away from the owning class. If I can charge $200 an hour for hole rental services I don’t have to work a corporate job, which means my labor can’t be exploited. This is (for the owning class) of course a bad thing.
(1) That logic doesn’t stop people from working independently at one of many different other trades, and (2) sex work if legalized would gravitate towards a corporate vs. independent breakdown of jobs just like other trades. It’s not like porn stars aren’t making money for the “owning class.”
I agree, of course, in the same sense that health care workers, firefighters, and carpenters are people and not prescriptions. Being people doesn’t preclude their work from being useful to society.
In fact, the whole point of working is to be useful to society! Unless you’re not part of society, then the whole point is to survive but that’s dangerously close to opening a whole other can of worms.
This is a good opportunity to ask why sex work is still illegal (unless you’re rich ofc) in the US.
We could basically end the incel phenomenon and deal a huge blow to the sex slavery trade overnight (and for very little cost to taxpayers or society) by making sex work legal and bringing it into daylight.
Ftr Incels exist in Australia and they have a red light district.
Incels don’t want to pay for sex.
Don’t get me wrong, I think it should be legal too if for no other reason that it makes it safer for the sex workers.
But just manage your expectations of what sexual deviants expect as Sex work doesn’t put an end to that part of the equation. Buying sex is still available even if illegal and you’re still going to have sexual deviants,psychopaths and incels. For Those groups in particular it is less about sex and more about power (and often hatred for women) hence the toxic energy they bring into sex.
Another issue for some deviants is sex workers carry a degree of consent. And shitheads like that aren’t looking for consent.
incels may not be seeking for paid sex as much as they want more power top relationship towards women(or feel entitled to) but they are unwilling to work on their personality. So their problem stems not from sex but more from their personality and feeling unloved with the sex they feel entitled to combined into that.
You don’t bring that kind of hate energy for an entire gender just over being horny.
If you want to deal with a problematic group, in this case incels, I don’t think it’s generally helpful to consider them a monolith. There’s different clades in these types of groups that have different views and motivations. I think you’re probably right, I did set my expectations too high there, but I do think that there’s some quantum of incels who really do end up getting into the toxic shit because of the sexual frustration. I think it’s probably much fairer to say that you could defuse at least a meaningful number of incels with legal sex work.
I don’t doubt that some get into problematic shit due to sexual frustration (and inability to cope), but that doesn’t mean getting laid is what they need first. They need to learn to cope with sexual frustration, get out of the problematic shit, then getting laid would be nice.
Incels also tend to behave poorly when they do interact with sex workers.
How would it be a cost, surely it would be a net positive since we can now tax something that’s already being done, no?
I see no downsides, provided there are restrictions on advertisement and where they can set up shop. I’m not interested in it at all, but I am interested in reducing sex slavery, arrests of women (and men!) who are just trying to feed their kids, etc. My general philosophy is that if someone wants to do a thing, and it doesn’t violate anyone else’s rights, there should be a legal way to do that thing.
It would need to be regulated to ensure that people are doing this work freely and responsibly (not being compelled by a pimp or spreading STDs). No regulation enforcement is free. It would be a net positive, sure, but not free.
Sure, but regulation is implied by having it be “legal” instead of decriminalized. It would more than pay for itself w/ tax revenue.
Sex work is illegal because giving people the ability to use something they own (their body) as their own means of production removes a barrier to success, causing some of the power to slip away from the owning class. If I can charge $200 an hour for hole rental services I don’t have to work a corporate job, which means my labor can’t be exploited. This is (for the owning class) of course a bad thing.
(1) That logic doesn’t stop people from working independently at one of many different other trades, and (2) sex work if legalized would gravitate towards a corporate vs. independent breakdown of jobs just like other trades. It’s not like porn stars aren’t making money for the “owning class.”
Don’t have anything to add as I agree, just wanted to say your username gave me a chuckle!
…Unless I’m actually an idiot and it wasn’t a geology pun lol :P
It is a pun thank you I worked really hard on that username 🥹
Sex work is legal! Maybe not in your puritanical shithole, but in sane countries it is.
Really? You are willing to shag anybody for merely $200? Or, more probably, 4 people for 50$ each?
Don’t oversimplify this whole problem. It is, like almost all problems, not a black and white problem.
It’s literally impossible for people to figure out price points for goods and services. This is famously why free markets have never existed.
My friend i’ll shag people for free.
Sex workers are people, not a prescription.
I agree, of course, in the same sense that health care workers, firefighters, and carpenters are people and not prescriptions. Being people doesn’t preclude their work from being useful to society.
In fact, the whole point of working is to be useful to society! Unless you’re not part of society, then the whole point is to survive but that’s dangerously close to opening a whole other can of worms.