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@[email protected] Sorry I can’t figure out how to reply in thread, made an account just to tell you you can get a nøglebrik/kodeviser for MitId. It’s a fully offline TOTP thing that you can use instead of the app. I never even installed the app :)
Every DRM related app afterwards: WARNING! This phone is running insecure software and is incompatible with this service.
And before you tell me just to not use Netflix on my phone, I’m talking about a government app that lets me authenticate and without which I can’t read official messages or login to any government or banking service.
So if I want to survive as an adult Dane, I pretty much have to figure out which company I would like to get sodomized by, and which is less of a clingy little bitch afterwards.
What trash-ass country requires you to maintain a proprietary operating system and device to access government services?
They referred to themselves as a Dane, which is somebody who lives in Denmark. So the country in question is likely Denmark.
Oh. That makes sense. My brain must have passed it over thinking it was a typo (of course they’re not a dog of a specific breed)
Oooooor have a secondary cheap absolute trash phone that is ONLY for those shitty government auth tools. Not ideal but gives you some control again
… and then hope that you don’t get hardware issue warranty claim denied because of the software.
And then anon still walks around with a beacon in their pocket
Does all that and still used WhatsApp lol
I still haven’t found a way to make my parents use Signal, so either I stop communicating with them (which is tempting sometimes) or have this compromise
use matrix with the whatsapp bridge
Can you get that to work with all messages or only a few groups you have to setup manually? Was looking into it before I started self hosting but didn’t find it desirable at that time and just resorted to do what anon did.
all messages. and it works really well!
Not everyone has the possibility to self-host
you can join public instances, and maybe even make them set it up for you.
While you are technically correct, most people vastly overestimate the cost of self hosting a (matrix) server. Mine costs like 5€ a month with domain and we use it as a group of 5 people.
Easy choice. No such nasty crAPP (pun intended) will touch my innocent phone. If they wouldn’t even install a safe(er) app for their kid, then that’s already enough communication.
Well life is all about what morals you decide to follow, I’ve evidently chosen the one where I’m handing over a small amount of privacy to be less of a pain in the ass to the people around me.
And the main reasons are:- elder parents I need to take care of
- people won’t listen to you if you are unreasonable with them
I don’t see what these points have to do with WhatsApp and co? You can’t take care of them if you don’t install some shitty app they decided to use? And they won’t listen to you if you don’t use the same app? Age is no sign of competence. One should listen to the one more competent in discussed matter. No matter the age or whatever else attribute.
Besides…it’s not really just “a small amount of privacy”. You’re on Lemmy, so I just assume you somehow know better.
I just don’t communicate with anyone that insists on using products that have user agreements I don’t agree with. The amount of bullshit user agreements are getting overloaded with makes them dangerous legal contracts that can have serious implications on your rights. Just ask the family whose daughter died at a Disney theme park and when they tried to sue Disney tried to force them to arbitration because their son had tried Disney+
Well evidently you’re not in charge of anyone’s healthcare: when you have a parent that has to be taken care of, you have to compromise if they’re not able to adapt
I’d rather use SMS than sign my rights over to Meta. They can use that if they can use facebook or whatsapp.
You cannot attach medical prescriptions to SMS
Wow. In Canada you cannot get prescription renewals any other way
If they’re serious about talking to you, they’ll budge. Call their bluff.
I hate phones so much.
Honestly I wish we just had dumb phones and went back to Palm Pilots. But there’s so much stuff that makes a phone mandatory nowadays.
Nobody, nothing stopping you from buying a dumb phone and a dumb tablet. You can do it right now.
I love phones, just hate the companies running it.
Same with most tech, the tech isn’t evil, its just how its being used, and who’s steering its future.
Thanks to the companies you cannot love the phones without accepting the company’s every whim. So I don’t love phones.
The current state of phones is WILD. Two bad options yet most everyone (including me) still use them. I actually like to use it as evidence that most people would be fine if plopped in front of Ubuntu or Debian+Gnome/KDE
That’s why my current phone is a Pixel running GrapheneOS. I still hate Android, but at least I don’t have to run Play services on my main profile. I do run it on a separate profile though for a couple services that need it.
I really just want Linux with decent support for phone features (MMS/calls/data on any carrier, with full wake from sleep reliability), decent battery life, and decent audio quality. Unfortunately, PinePhone doesn’t seem to handle those things properly (maybe it does MMS now?), so I stick w/ my GrapheneOS phone, which at least cuts out most of the crap from Android.
My panties just dropped
Edit: I’m not a girl, just a rust dev
Edit: I’m not a girl, just a rust dev
then you likely need to wash them now, like right now
They already shattered when they dropped.
install Pokémon Go
allow all permissions
Install pokemon go
Spoof location
Nobody cheats on Pokemon Go… the horror!!
very based.
I’d love to degoogle and debullshit my phone but then I need the back app… I’d like to tap with my phone to pay, and that won’t be allowed because we can have nice things.
I’d like to use a host of other apps I won’t be able to use anymore…
Any solution that allows me to just use a nice phone with all the features?
Pay with a credit card, you can tap those, and then you’re not inviting one of the tech giants to monitor your purchases for no reason.
Just get a case with a card holder on the back, tap away
Your payment processor and creditor are probably also selling your info btw. If you use a service like Google Pay or Samsung Pay there’s a layer of anonymity between you and the merchant at a minimum. Google has an incentive to monetize your data, but they for sure don’t sell it. Companies pay them to advertise to certain demographics and geozones, but parting with that info would make them obsolete in a heartbeat. That’s the strategy nowadays at least. Hoard the data and tightly control access to it. Last time I checked(it’s been a few years), only like 8 people at Google even had the ability to decrypt user data with master keys to comply with lawful orders given by courts, and even then they had a good track record of denying subpoenas due to an unreasonable request for mass amounts of user data outside of specific timelines or even data on people who were within a geofence at the time of a crime. It’s why there moving your maps timeline away from their severs and onto the device. I’m all for giving companies some shit where they deserve it, but in my opinion this kind of stuff gets blown out of proportion and parroted everywhere without much explanation.
I know too much about how ad tech works. I’ve written code to de-anonymize all the data Google leaks through bid requests. Not individual credit card transactions, but enough to make me want nothing to do with them.
Ignorance is bliss as far as credit card companies go, I tell myself they sell anonymized transactions as csv dumps that aren’t tied to cookies etc. It’s probably worse than that. But if I really want to be anonymous, I pay cash.
put your credit card in the back of the case hah
best bet is get a phone with default android and delete default apps with ADB
I did this when I was in Japan. I didn’t want to jump through all their ridiculous hoops to get tap to pay to work, so I just threw my NFC debit card into my case and called it a day. Worked 90% of the time.
It’s funny how i never thought of this until i wrote the comment. Was Now i just gotta make an RFID blocking sheet that flips off the back lol
I think NFC payments work in Graphene
It’s honestly such a pain in the ass to say no to everything Google shoves down your throat these days. And even after you say no it will remind you every so many days just in case you changed your mind after the 15th time you said no. Android used to be the “cool” phone but nowadays if you don’t install your own custom ROM it’s basically just Apple with extra steps
The number of services that have adopted dark patterns is too much.
It’s no longer “No” with a checkmark that says “Don’t ask me again” to only “Not now” with the implied consent that they can ask you again later.
Dropbox asks me every fucking time I use the browser.
NewRelic asks me every fucking day.
Amazon asks me every fucking order.
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I wouldn’t say that’s a recent development. Back before I knew anything about privacy and security, I switched from android to apple because I was tired of all the bloat. My 8 gb phone had virtually no space for photos or apps I wanted after 5 years of updates for non deletable apps. That was almost 10 years ago.
Apple is way better to use than a bloated android lol, once you debloat/install custom ROM sure then you get some peace
Why not just get a google-less ROM at that point?
Lack of availability
Some modern Samsung phones can’t have their bootloaders unlocked.
Edit: I guess maybe they can, although the instructions for this seem kind of sketchy.
Did you read the greentext? Literally says they’re unlocking the bootloader to root the phone.
Oh, whoops, not all the way, no. Yeah, in that case, that’s dumb as hell.
Surely nobody would lie on the internet
Likely because of apps that depend on GMSThey removed the services too. Yeah that seems pointless.Also, microG for that scenario.
Fake: Anon can do any of this
Gay: Bought a samsung phone
P.S the kids have been raving about this phone just reduces all those steps to “buy phone”.
> buy fairphone because I hate constructors adding their bloatware to my phone.
> Boot it up, insert SIM.
> Next reboot, my carrier tries to get me to install their shit with a permanent notification (thankfully I can hide it, just have to do it every reboot).How the fuck is that even legal
> Next reboot, my carrier tries to get me to install their shit with a permanent notification
Is this some US thing? What do you mean? I’ve never seen this.
I thought that could only happen in third world countries like the US but unfortunately this is in France. I’ll reboot my phone to show you.
Edit : well, apparently that’s related to connecting to the carrier’s network because right now I’m in another country and it doesn’t happen
I can show you a screenshot of the shitty app it installed the first time that happened, that it appears I can’t uninstall without rooting the phone. Keep in mind I bought the phone directly from Fairphone so it was not “SIM locked” to my carrier :
I looked again for more info about that app and it appears they are pulling that shit with the phone constructor’s consent. After all they are the main mobile phone carrier in France by a huge margin, which probably helps for these kinds of deals. I would have liked to have been consulted too though…
That app in the picture was installed automatically? 😮 Abhorrent and totally scary. Does that mean they can install whatever they like on your phone any time they want? Do you know how this works?
Basically through a notification saying I need to setup the voicemail iirc
Keep in mind even if you decline everything and use a special ROM, your SIM card is a tiny computer running Java (yes, I know) and your carrier can run arbitrary applets there with access to your modem and some RAM.
It has been shown multiple times that they can track locations this way, and some exploit chains have allowed them to use this to fetch other data from the phone.
Holy shit, what? Do you have any examples of this?
That’s in the specs apparently
A UICC consists of a CPU, ROM, RAM, EEPROM and I/O circuits
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_integrated_circuit_card
No headphone jack… So close!
Making those harder and harder to find it seems. For me it was the extra charge to ship it.
Dang, can’t do those 80s cosplays justice without a headphone jack
In the EU, I’m not headphones with jacks will be allowed to be sold (Arstechnica).
Laptops get until April 2026 to comply, but most other things—phones, tablets, handheld gaming devices, computer accessories, and wireless headphones—will have to be powered by USB-C to be sold inside the EU from now on.
I think it’s only a matter of time until phones with dual or triple USB-C start emerging.
The key part is that you can charge and listen at the same time. Two USB-C ports would be fine IMO, but no, fuck me, you get one port.
I don’t see how this has anything to do with blocking headphones w/ jacks, this only says wireless headphones have to be powered by USB-C. I’ve had wireless headphones that also have a jack so you can still use the headphones if the battery dies, and I also have headphones without power whatsoever and only work with a jack.
I’m surprised those aren’t around yet
The wonders of a device that doesnt support graphene os. Must suck
As a graphene user
You still have to fork out a grand or more to google more or less directly
How? How? 7a costs $350.
In your currency sure
There’s zero need to buy the newest and fanciest phone unless you just want to brag about it; my Pixel 6 Pro cost me $200 refurbished and does everything you could ask for.
Still money in Google’s pocket
No, Google was paid once by the original owner. The money I paid went to the third party refurbishment company.
Increasing the demand for pixels, regardless of state
They would sit in a desk drawer otherwise.
They would be sold to others
I spent just over $100 on a second hand one.
Same, but I spent $350 or so on the latest model. I suppose I’m giving Google some money indirectly, but I’m also probably reducing ewaste, so I think it balances out.
I mean, getting that going was only mildly less involved to do. You still need to dick around with the bootloader and such.
I couldn’t buy Balatro on it tho and had to pirate 😔
If I’m not mistaken, Anon’s Phone will still communicate with Google services for location services and push notifications after this.
No, not after he removed everything with Google in the name, including Google Play services.
What anon doesn’t realize it’s that you don’t need to root your phone for all this, you can just use adb or the universal android debloater.
— sent from a Samsung that’s degoogled in the same exact way.
I see. In that case his push notifications will not work for apps that rely on Google play services for them. A few other things off the top of my head:
A-GPS SUPL must be changed Captive portal must be changed DNS, NTP servers must be changed Depending on how much you trust Chromium system webview should be avoided
It is not trivial to remove Google from Android, even AOSP
Apps that don’t rely on google push notifications usually come with a workaround that shows a permanent fake notification; which then allows normal push functionality. If that doesnt bother you it works perfectly fine without play services.
What makes me keep it myself is the necessity for certain play store exclusive apps such as banking and the one for my local public transit. Can’t do without those
Yep, those are all issues you run into. Without microg you lose quite a bit of functionality. Personally, I’m content with sending less data to Google, so I leave some things alone.
