I mean not providing a service because you stopped paying the cost you agreed to for the service is quite different from forcibly destroying random people’s data if they don’t give you as much money as you demand
It’s not like they remotely connect to your pc and wipe your hard drive if you don’t pay up
Yes. You’re paying for the storage space and access to it…I think “* as a service” is anti-consumer but I really don’t understand how anyone could think they’re entitled to keep using a service after they stop paying for it.
You are abandoning your files if you don’t download them before your subscription ends. Providers aren’t stealing it and holding it hostage…
And they don’t make it clear that they WILL remove the local files without notification. While making it seem like the files are still local.
It’s at best deception, but really feels like extortion.
So if someone is paid to help you load your groceries, and then because you don’t tip them, that means they’re allowed to take the groceries that they loaded back into the store?
False equivalence. You are not “tipping” cloud providers, you are paying them to perform a service.
Let’s try a modified analogy and put you in the scenario…
You digitize cassettes for a living. Someone across the country sends you one and asks you to convert it to an MP3. You received the tape and digitize it …but they refuse to send the money.
Are you allowed to not send the files? Are you allowed to not send the tape back? The answer to both is yes.
Not a false equivalence at all. People before you created this platform, you paid for said platform (let’s say windows. You purchase a prebuilt pc, so the operating system and access to the services are paid for at initial purchase (key point). THEN Microsoft says "Hey this service is involved. Check it out. We’ll store what you need. Download and register here… Sweet! It’s setup you got your files uploaded… Now pay me and I’m not letting you see or use the files without paying me.
That isn’t even remotely close to the same situation. Most people have never actually paid for OneDrive,they use the free version and then this happens when it expires. And if you do pay, then decide to cancel, that isn’t “not tipping” them, it’s… not paying for the service anymore.
If you load all of your groceries into someone’s car, and tell them you’ll pay to have them delivered, and you never do, they certainly can leave with your groceries.
What exactly can cause the free version of OneDrive to “expire”? A subscription for more storage can end when you stop paying, but I don’t know what you’re referring to.
So someone who works at a grocery store is paid to help you load your groceries in the car, but you don’t tip them. Does that mean they’re allowed to take whatever groceries they already loaded back into the store?
No, because that’s not what tips are for? But if you don’t pay for the groceries, then yeah, they should be allowed to not give you the groceries, because that’s how buying things works
But if you specifically agree to pay someone a certain amount of money to load your groceries in advance, then refuse to pay them, it’s totally valid for them to not load your groceries, because you didn’t pay for the service you bought
If you’re asking whether the rules for services you’ve paid for are different to the rules for services you haven’t paid for then yes, absolutely.
If someone is providing a service at no cost, they have no obligation to continue that service, because you have not provided them anything in exchange for anything.
“I want” is not a valid legal argument for having a right to something.
So then when you buy a product, you’re not allowed to expect product service? And open cloud shouldn’t be allowed to be expect when you purchase a product? What’s the issue with cloud sourcing being involved in product purchase? When you buy a new computer, you’re also paying for an OS. What’s the problem in expecting a full use of their services when you purchase a PC?
The fact that all of those services have costs - so what you’re effectively saying is that the companies should pay for these things for you whenever you demand it
If they promised you X service for a certain period of time when they purchased something, then you have a right to that service for that period of time. But if they didn’t do that, it just happens that the same company sells that service as a separate product to what you bought, then of course you don’t have a right to it.
I mean not providing a service because you stopped paying the cost you agreed to for the service is quite different from forcibly destroying random people’s data if they don’t give you as much money as you demand
It’s not like they remotely connect to your pc and wipe your hard drive if you don’t pay up
But they have control to your cloud files and they can and will lock those files from being pulled from the cloud
Isn’t it the same with all cloud files?
Yes. You’re paying for the storage space and access to it…I think “* as a service” is anti-consumer but I really don’t understand how anyone could think they’re entitled to keep using a service after they stop paying for it.
You are abandoning your files if you don’t download them before your subscription ends. Providers aren’t stealing it and holding it hostage…
And they don’t make it clear that they WILL remove the local files without notification. While making it seem like the files are still local. It’s at best deception, but really feels like extortion.
The shortcuts to the unsynced files might get removed when you cancel but local files don’t
So if someone is paid to help you load your groceries, and then because you don’t tip them, that means they’re allowed to take the groceries that they loaded back into the store?
False equivalence. You are not “tipping” cloud providers, you are paying them to perform a service.
Let’s try a modified analogy and put you in the scenario…
You digitize cassettes for a living. Someone across the country sends you one and asks you to convert it to an MP3. You received the tape and digitize it …but they refuse to send the money.
Are you allowed to not send the files? Are you allowed to not send the tape back? The answer to both is yes.
Not a false equivalence at all. People before you created this platform, you paid for said platform (let’s say windows. You purchase a prebuilt pc, so the operating system and access to the services are paid for at initial purchase (key point). THEN Microsoft says "Hey this service is involved. Check it out. We’ll store what you need. Download and register here… Sweet! It’s setup you got your files uploaded… Now pay me and I’m not letting you see or use the files without paying me.
How is that business model justified?
Hey, thanks for the free sample you sent! I’ll order a box!
Wait…If I want cookies every month, I have to pay every month?
That isn’t even remotely close to the same situation. Most people have never actually paid for OneDrive,they use the free version and then this happens when it expires. And if you do pay, then decide to cancel, that isn’t “not tipping” them, it’s… not paying for the service anymore.
If you load all of your groceries into someone’s car, and tell them you’ll pay to have them delivered, and you never do, they certainly can leave with your groceries.
What exactly can cause the free version of OneDrive to “expire”? A subscription for more storage can end when you stop paying, but I don’t know what you’re referring to.
Yeah. Not a good comparison
Sure, but you put them there, without taking backups, and then stopped paying them to keep them
So someone who works at a grocery store is paid to help you load your groceries in the car, but you don’t tip them. Does that mean they’re allowed to take whatever groceries they already loaded back into the store?
No, because that’s not what tips are for? But if you don’t pay for the groceries, then yeah, they should be allowed to not give you the groceries, because that’s how buying things works
But if you specifically agree to pay someone a certain amount of money to load your groceries in advance, then refuse to pay them, it’s totally valid for them to not load your groceries, because you didn’t pay for the service you bought
Jesus Christ on a bike
So you’re comparing things that have been paid for to things that haven’t been paid for?
You have neither paid to load your groceries, nor access to your files.
Are you a sovereign citizen by any chance?
Are you trying to create a narrative because you have no other way to logically argue with me by chance? You see how this works?
This is why metaphors don’t work. Files are not groceries, arguments that apply to one don’t always apply to the other.
If you’re asking whether the rules for services you’ve paid for are different to the rules for services you haven’t paid for then yes, absolutely.
If someone is providing a service at no cost, they have no obligation to continue that service, because you have not provided them anything in exchange for anything.
“I want” is not a valid legal argument for having a right to something.
So then when you buy a product, you’re not allowed to expect product service? And open cloud shouldn’t be allowed to be expect when you purchase a product? What’s the issue with cloud sourcing being involved in product purchase? When you buy a new computer, you’re also paying for an OS. What’s the problem in expecting a full use of their services when you purchase a PC?
The fact that all of those services have costs - so what you’re effectively saying is that the companies should pay for these things for you whenever you demand it
If they promised you X service for a certain period of time when they purchased something, then you have a right to that service for that period of time. But if they didn’t do that, it just happens that the same company sells that service as a separate product to what you bought, then of course you don’t have a right to it.