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Summary
Nobel Peace Prize winner Malala Yousafzai condemned the Taliban’s treatment of women at a Pakistan summit on girls’ education in Muslim communities, stating, “The Taliban do not see women as human beings.”
She criticized their policies banning Afghan girls from education and work as “gender apartheid” and un-Islamic.
Afghanistan is the only country banning education for girls beyond grade six, affecting 1.5 million girls.
Malala urged Muslim leaders to challenge these practices and advocate for girls’ education globally.
The Taliban declined to attend or comment.
Yeah what do you find objectionable in this? Nowhere does it deny the right of Palestine’s non-Palestinian Arab residents to stay there.
Their self-claimed right to religious jihad? The spreading of an Islamic ethnic state? Nothing wrong the the spread of Islam or the Arabic ethnicity, but i disagree on violent means (jihad and by establishing a state). Do you?
Their end goal is to jihad Israel until they are gone, wiped off the earth. We’ll just assume the Jews will be safe, I guess? I don’t like the state of Israel, but I don’t want the world to lose the Jewish people, and I don’t trust Hamas to be the protector of so many Jews. I have seen zero evidence that Hamas will be willing to risk their lives to protect and save the lives of innocent Jewish people. Again, I just want a better option than Hamas for the people of Gaza and the West Bank. I want a better option for the people of Israel/Judea too, than their current state.
Well then you’re in luck, because more Jews live outside of Israel than live in it. Myself being one of them. Fuck Israel, it doesn’t represent me and suggesting it does is, frankly, bigoted.
Israel is not the Jewish State even if it wants to say it is. That claim benefits two groups:
And meanwhile, that sentiment increases antisemitism, it doesn’t reduce it. Israel makes the world less safe for me and my family. It does not protect me. It never has, it never will.
Is Israel Zionist then? If it is Zionist, it would be a Jewish state. Hamas claims it is Zionist. They claim they are a Jewish government, and because their government is Jewish, it should be destroyed. They changed their tune from “the Jews must be eliminated” to “the Jewish state must be eliminated” in 2017. Are they a Jewish state as Hamas claims, or are they not as you claim?
I’m sorry, are you under the offensively ridiculous impression that Zionism is some sort of inherent part of a Jewish identity? Because it absolutely is not.
Yes they are Zionists, meaning they claim Israel is the Jewish State. So what? They can claim whatever they want. America claims it’s the Land of the Free and it has the world’s highest incarceration rate.
Also, and this may come as a shock to you, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is neither democratic nor a republic. Apparently governments say things about themselves that aren’t actually true. Who’da thunk?
I’m simply asking who is right: Hamas or you? You said Israel is not a Jewish state, Hamas says it is. Hamas acknowledges and agrees that it is a Jewish state, but your comment said it was not at all. I am just confused on who to believe, I want to assume both of you are right but that can’t be true from how I’m seeing it?
You are not answering any of my questions and yet you keep expecting me to answer yours. And yours seem to be implying that I somehow support Hamas, something I think I’ve already been pretty clear about not doing. So why would I care how Hamas defines Israel?
I have been trying to explain it to you more tactfully, but I will be blunt: you are being a bigot against Jews. Worse, you are being a condescending bigot against us by think you speak on our behalf.
As a Jew, I’m fucking sick of that shit.
And as a moderator, I’m telling you this stops now.
My goodness I’m literally autistic and I am legitimately fucking confused because I am just wondering if Israel is legitimately secular or not because I literally don’t have your perspective and you are, unfortunately, confusing my autistic communication style for bigotry. You see how I’m as confused as you are, no? I’m literally asking questions without assuming anything. I am wondering honestly holy shit. I do not know if Israel is legitimately Jewish or secular, I assume it’s secular this entire time and just was very Jewish, much like the US not not literally a Christian nation.
Their right to resist colonial oppression, yes.
How else do you want them to obtain human rights? Because anyone paying attention can tell that Israel will not give them any unless forced to. The Palestinian nonviolent resistance project ended up as the monstrosity known as the Palestinian Authority. Israel actively killed the only major peaceful resistance group in Palestine; what do you expect Palestinians to do?
Yes, and? Nelson Mandela’s ANC fought until the Apartheid was wiped off the face off the Earth too.
I mean I guess yeah. How that’ll work out will depend on what form the conclusion of this conflict takes, but colonial peoples do tend to face this problem when their rule ends.
Okay and? Even if the genocide you’re assuming will happen was likely (which it isn’t), why is the hypothetical genocide of Jews more important than the real, ongoing genocide of Palestinians?
If First Nations Americas started an intifada like on oct 7 against my neighbors, would you disagree with their strategy and disavow the people who claimed responsibility, or would you defend them?
You haven’t answered my question: What do you expect Palestinians to do?
First Oct 7th wasn’t an Intifada, but that aside: Native Americans got human rights via the Civil Rights Act; they don’t live in Apartheid and they aren’t being expelled from their lands. I sure wouldn’t blame them for rioting though.
Hamas rejected peace treaties. Dismissed them as racist. I don’t disagree and wouldn’t disagree with First Nations people saying and doing the exact same thing by rejecting the peace treaties. If First Nation people did what Hamas did and rejected the peace treaties, would you agree with them, then? If peace treaties can be determined null and void after the fact, why would you be against an Oct 7 style attack by a very rightful and angry First Nations group? Again, I say this because this is how I rack with my ideology. I believe in the right of free people and would even understand legitimately the idea behind it. I just cannot and will not condone the attack. I am incapable of condoning it. I cannot and will not condone any group of human beings who takes responsibility for what happened on Oct 7. I don’t support Israel, it just makes it impossible for me to support Hamas, it was inexcusable. I cannot imagine that happening to my neighbors. I love my neighbors. Those were happy people who got slaughtered for wanting a happy life. My neighbors immigrated here, I’m weeping for the day Trump is deporting them, but some people are happy. My neighbors are also born and raised here, I’d weep for the day anyone decided they were colonizers. It doesn’t make it right.
Neither would I. I wouldn’t blame them for wanting their land back either with violence. I just would never condone that level of violence no matter the reason, not on innocent life, even innocent colonizers like my neighbors are.
Oh that’s what you’re talking about. You should say that sooner. Anyway you should note that October 7th had clear military goals (66% of Israeli casualties were combatants); nobody here is supporting the actual killing civilians part. Hell, I don’t think there are any straight up Hamas supporters here specifically because they’re too willy nilly about killing civilians (and because of the whole theocratic dictatorship thing).