Now, Sanders’ 2020 campaign manager, Faiz Shakir, is trying to reclaim that magic with a bid to become chair of the Democratic National Committee.
They’ll kneecap his bid just like they kneecapped Bernie’s campaign in 2020.
voters hear this horseshit all the time but Democrats never have anything to show at the end of the day but excuses about how it is all the Republicans fault
I already knew there was going to be a comment like this sitting at the top, I came here specifically to answer whatever it turned out to be.
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/19/economy/us-biden-economic-legacy/index.html
Basically, Biden was the first president since LBJ who actually gave some of a shit about the working class, and acted on it in a big way. There’s plenty of stuff in there about the problems he didn’t solve, of course. Basically I think he failed to realize that nobody gives a shit if the people at the very bottom end of the scale are making way more money, because they’re largely invisible in the media as they are on Lemmy, but everyone gives a shit if eggs are more expensive. You can tell them that wages have gone up by more than the cost of eggs, and post-Covid inflation hit every country and actually worse than it hit the US in most cases, but they won’t really care. I think if he’d gotten half the wage gains, but somehow managed to bring the cost of living in pure unadjusted dollars back down, then the Democrats probably would have won the election.
He also focused on climate change for the first time in American history and acted on it in a big way. That’s not nothing by any means.
You wouldn’t be wrong to say that most of the Democrats don’t care about the working class at all, and that corruption and inaction is going to hamper whoever the president is, whether it be Biden or Bernie Sanders or Che Guevara. How you solve that problem, I don’t know. But certainly, throwing one of them who did seem to moderately care about the working class unapologetically to the wolves, denying he did anything at all, and bashing him at every opportunity, isn’t exactly going to help.
Biden was the first president since LBJ who actually gave some of a shit about the working class
… like, even in your defense of Biden, he only gave some of a shit. Not even a full one.
Joking aside, I think you need to think long and hard as to why you can’t just say “He was great president.” You’re not comparing him to LBJ. Not comparing his actions to Biden’s or his cabinet to Biden, or his bills to Biden. You’re literally one step above saying “Well Biden has at least done something since the time of LBJ” That’s a VERY low bar, may as well just be the floor.
Basically I think he failed to realize that nobody gives a shit if the people at the very bottom end of the scale are making way more money
Where is that in your link? Is that your jobs an unemployment sections? That’s not the poorest of the poor. The unemployment numbers often don’t reflect people who are homeless. They’re woefully inept in a lot of ways. It also clashes with the “Record high after record high on Wall Street” section.
corruption and inaction is going to hamper whoever the president is, whether it be Biden or Bernie Sanders or Che Guevara. How you solve that problem, I don’t know. But certainly, throwing one of them who did seem to moderately care about the working class unapologetically to the wolves, denying he did anything at all, and bashing him at every opportunity, isn’t exactly going to help.
Verdant Banana’s not throwing Biden under the bus though. The only people in this article are Abby Vesoulis and Faiz Shakir. If anybody is being thrown it’s them.
If anything, you and Banana seem to agree that corruption and inaction is going to hamper the DNC and don’t know how to solve it. Banana just has given up hope it ever will.
… like, even in your defense of Biden, he only gave some of a shit. Not even a full one.
Joking aside, I think you need to think long and hard as to why you can’t just say “He was great president.”
I think you need to read the rest of my sentence, the part that you cut off when you quoted it. He raised wages, for workers at the very bottom end of the American working person scale, by 30+%. Inflation that wasn’t his fault ate up about 20% of that. But, it was a pretty big fucking deal. I’m tepid about saying “he was a great president” because I would rather have Bernie Sanders, or maybe someone who wouldn’t be so enthusiastic about arming Israel, but that doesn’t mean I’m committed to pretending that he did nothing at all for the working people in this country, or that the bar is on the floor.
Or rather, better analogy, the bar was in the damn basement, and he raised it up to the top few steps of the stairs. That’s definitely not enough, but it’s also a hell of a lot more than nothing.
Where is that in your link? Is that your jobs an unemployment sections?
It’s not in my link. I just grabbed something that seemed to give a pretty balanced picture. They only talk about wages in qualitative terms. Here, this talks about it in terms of numbers:
https://www.epi.org/publication/swa-wages-2023/
That 13.2% real wage growth is about 34% un-adjusted wage growth, on top of about 20% cumulative inflation. Something along those lines.
Verdant Banana’s not throwing Biden under the bus though.
Yes he is. “horseshit” “Democrats never have anything to show at the end of the day”.
I’m actually not trying to be the “rah rah Biden” guy. I just keep finding myself in that role, because the truth is different from what people like to say a lot of the time, and that’s irritating to me. Sorry if it is confusing to you that I am neither saying “Biden’s great on everything!” or “Biden’s terrible on everything!” like I’m employed for one side or another. The election’s over, anyway. It’s just residual pissed-off-ness from seeing people spouting off a bunch of emotionally satisfying untruth-stuff about how the only guy in the last 40 years who actually wandered into our robber-baron governmental system and somehow managed to move the needle back a little bit in the right direction is a huge piece of shit.
I’m actually not trying to be the “rah rah Biden” guy.
It just comes naturally.
Man, if only they had spent all their campaign money talking about this instead of whatever the hell it is they did, they might have won the election!
Instead of having any sort of resolve, or appearing to actually give a shit about any of that, we got a full centrist push focusing on making it ok for conservatives to vote for a democrat, rather than actually trying to organize their base. The end result is DNC members abandoning LGBTQ and leftist issues. Instead they ratchet right to keep the government moving forward.
Nearly the entire DNC is rotten and will self protect, like this, rather than engage in any actual change.
You’re not wrong. Also, a lot of the DNC’s money got spent on consultants, and a lot of the consultants are six-figure “Reagan + LGBTQ” droids without much in the way of useful skills of any kind, so their messaging was and will continue to be shit. And when Bernie Sanders came along, with a wildly popular message that could clearly win elections in historic fashion, and all the consultants and about 80% of the candidates involved said, “Whoa whoa fuck that we gotta get that shit out of the building before it starts costing our clients money.” Meanwhile, the GOP’s consultants are getting expert advice from foreign adversaries on how to get their messaging to dig in deep via social media influence-operations and new media that people of today actually pay attention to. It’s like watching the US Marines take on the Boy Scouts, if the Boy Scouts were all addicted to cocaine and that was their main focus.
Hence, this article, I guess.
Tell that to the train strike.
He didn’t do anything for me. I can guarantee you that much. Biden will be remembered unfavorably for allowing Trump to happen again.
Sorry about the rant, I have a lot of feelings here.
Realistically, we all have this inherent bias and no one in my life has had their lives improved by Biden. Not a single one. I’m not upper class, my family is stable lower middle class now but we grew up very poor on food stamps and money is still a constant struggle for all of us. I’m glad that apparently people at the bottom have benefitted under Biden but I frankly don’t believe it.
Unions in my city are always fighting tooth and nail to get livable wages and most don’t succeed. I know many people in lower paying positions at my company who left and moved because they tried to get a livable wage and failed, so they went elsewhere because the only way to get any semblance of a good wage anymore is to quit and start anew. Everyone I talk to has suffered under inflation since 2020, without exception.
Again, if some people have benefitted that’s great. But I just haven’t seen it. What I have seen is year over year the C-suite giving themselves 10%+ raises while the rest of us get increases under inflation. That’s not Biden’s fault directly, but he sure hasn’t done anything else to make it any easier on us.
Now the trumpet summons us again — not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are — but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, “rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation” — a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.
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And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.
JFK
Not the guy you replied to, but at least around here usually people aren’t criticizing Biden from abandoning the working class, because as you just said he didn’t; he was pretty good for the working class. (The majority of) people here are criticizing Biden for being weak on Trump and for supporting Israel’s genocide, and as a completely separate issue criticizing the DNC for actively abandoning the working class in the election. People who are saying Biden didn’t do anything for the working class need to hear this, but I’m pretty sure that’s not what the person you’re responding to is saying.
It’s true. The results are shockingly poor. Everything at the edges. It’s never their fault even if they have the house and the white house. Or it’s a republican plan that they tried so that they can get the zero republican votes they always get.
And then when people who are fed up don’t vote or vote for anyone else… Surprised Pikachu face.
Acting as if this race was on policy. Americans are fucking stupid, full stop. They’ll either vote for a con man or not vote at all.
Democrats are hardly perfect by a large stretch but Americans failed themselves. Hope we all enjoy our immense collective stupidity.
Sanders is already cozying up to Trump, I wouldn’t let him or his campaign manager anywhere near the DNC.
I’ve noticed that when someone on Lemmy mentions a congressperson by name, more often than not it’s one of the most left-leaning people in congress, and they’re taking time to levy some totally weird batshit criticism at them.
Elizabeth Warren loves the banks. Bernie Sanders loves Trump. Gretchen Whitmer loves the insurance industry. We all know it. Now you know it, too. You need to not support them. Don’t support them. They’re corrupt. Please don’t vote. It’s very important.
Generally speaking, that is the message. I have no idea what this particular one is trumped up from, but generally when I’ve looked at them in detail they turn out to be some hyper-exaggerated version of some very minor complaint, and I suspect this one is trumped up from literally nothing at all.
To be fair, and you’re not wrong, Bernie is mentioned in the headline. So talking about him in the comments makes sense. Doesn’t excuse the mind numbing stupidity of that comment though.
woof.
