WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump is expected to lift the Biden administration's freeze on the supply of 2,000-pound bombs to Israel in his first days in office, Walla

Summary

Trump plans to lift the Biden administration’s freeze on supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel and reverse sanctions against Israeli settlers.

  • GreenKnight23@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6726·
    1 day ago

    hey pro-Palestinian lemmings! where y’all at?

    this is why you wouldn’t vote for Harris, right? when does he stop the killing again?

    #when does it stop??

    • dx1@lemmy.worldEnglish
      102·
      8 hours ago

      I think of the millions of “pro-Palestinian lemmings”, there were all of like five that said Trump would help. Everyone else looked soberly at the bipartisan support for genocide, which you seem unwilling to acknowledge.

      I think the tally at this point is about 30 billion dollars worth of arms sent to “Israel” since Oct '23. 99% of that under Biden. Breaking domestic and international law in doing so. That is the largest foreign benefactor of the U.S., a fundamentally apartheid state engaged in genocide for 77 years, more brutally and unashamedly than ever before since '23. Again, this is violating the Leahy Law, U.S. domestic prohibitions on the commission or complicity in genocide, the UN Genocide Convention, likely the Geneva Conventions, and other international law. I would love for someone with your stance to explain why Biden engaged in this, because I think you’re just floundering trying to describe this situation without that key piece of information.

      Hope that helps. Not sure why you are looking to excuse complicity in genocide by drawing a D/R division where there really is not one. IMO what you’re doing in posting this is extremely immoral and I urge you to reconsider your views.

      P.S.:

      https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28

      WASHINGTON, June 28 (Reuters) - The Biden administration has sent to Israel large numbers of munitions, including more than 10,000 highly destructive 2,000-pound bombs and thousands of Hellfire missiles, since the start of the war in Gaza, said two U.S. officials briefed on an updated list of weapons shipments.

      Between the war’s start last October and recent days, the United States has transferred at least 14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs, 6,500 500-pound bombs, 3,000 Hellfire precision-guided air-to-ground missiles, 1,000 bunker-buster bombs, 2,600 air-dropped small-diameter bombs, and other munitions, according to the officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly.

      As someone who’s actually been following the individual arm shipments, the implication that there is any difference is literally insane. Biden was shoveling coal into the genocide engine as fast as humanly possible.

    • FantasticDonkey@reddthat.comEnglish
      2910·
      1 hour ago

      Palestinian here, not in the US. So Harris would have done genocide but without more 2000 pound bombs. Trump does it with them.

      Your voters couldn’t decide against genocide, they could only decide with which weapons it will be continued. You guys have a problem.

      Edit: greetings to the Lemmy Hasbara division. Responses are kinda wild, didn’t expect this. I should post more here.

      • inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        30 minutes ago

        Biden already sent 14,000 of those bombs so you’re wrong. Both candidates are pro genocide.

        I was hopeful about the peace deal with the Muslim countries signing on but as usual our politicians flood everything with shit so no one knows that’s up or down.

      • rational_lib@lemmy.worldEnglish
        14·
        4 hours ago

        Does anyone decide against genocide when it suits them? There’s some irony in both Palestine and Israel supporters whining to the Democrats about not opposing the respective genocides hard enough while ignoring their Hamas and Netanyahu doing it to the other side. Take the log out of your own eye before complaining about the speck in the other’s.

        On a rational level, we all need to oppose killing of civilians and children. But man, it’s hard to convince people to care when the people you’re trying to save won’t help themselves.

        • FantasticDonkey@reddthat.comEnglish
          2·
          1 hour ago

          I don’t think I understand your comment. You think it’s hard to side against genocide? Because that’s what most of us are doing here.

          • rational_lib@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            36 minutes ago

            And is it working?

            Point being, the whole “genocide” thing is useless because people don’t care. No one thinks they’re committing a genocide. If you went to Nazi Germany, they’d tell you the holocaust is not a genocide, it’s a security measure or something like that. Just like you probably don’t look at Oct. 7 as a genocide. It’s the same thing. We’re all human, we’re all easily tricked into being monsters.

      • GreenKnight23@lemmy.worldEnglish
        211·
        12 hours ago

        so…what’s being Palestinian got to do with your message other than showing your opinion is biased?

        also, thanks for giving your broad opinion of a nuanced political system you have little understanding of. Feels good to hear someone blame me for the deaths of people just by doing the only thing I can do.

        Screenshot_20250122-114359_Firefox

        maybe next time you try to make someone feel like shit you should probably blame them for something they actually did instead of pulling bullshit out of your imagination because it sounds edgy.

        • dx1@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          4 hours ago

          Just scrolling through the comments here, people’s takes vary from bad to good, but everyone’s comment is only as long as the text they wrote. Then you jam this huge, not really relevant meme into discussion of an actual life or death issue for millions of people, which is just playing off of a pun on the name “John Goodman”. And your comment isn’t any better. You make a bunch of really off-base, unsubstantiated attacks on the guy you’re replying to. You don’t really seem to understand why they even brought up being Palestinian. You ignore the 100% legitimate criticism that you voted for someone complicit in genocide, brushing it off as “the only thing you could do” (it wasn’t). Then you accuse them of trying to sound “edgy”.

          Buddy, your comment is bleeding “trying to sound edgy”. What is this meme doing here? Where is your sense of responsibility or shame? You are joking about a genocide.

        • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          31·
          4 hours ago

          Hey to any Palestinians out there I promise I will never let losers like the above person rest in peace.

          • GreenKnight23@lemmy.worldEnglish
            15·
            4 hours ago

            thanks person without much to live for.

            I’m sure the imaginary people you were talking to would be happy! You can finally dedicate your life to something that can truly help them in their time of need.

            how many Palestinians do to plan to save with your brave acts?

          • dx1@lemmy.worldEnglish
            5·
            4 hours ago

            “Bias” makes it sound like there isn’t a completely impartial case to be made against them. Like the most meticulously documented genocide in human history.

    • acargitz@lemmy.caEnglish
      2912·
      17 hours ago

      Non American here. Both your parties are genocide and apartheid supporters. Simple as that.

      Yea, one of the two is more than the other. But you got to come to terms with the fact that your country’s bipartisan effect in the region is kinda evil.

      Lol, down vote all you like. I’m just telling the truth.

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        176·
        16 hours ago

        Everyone here agrees with you, dawg… We just understand our country’s political system enough to know which was the correct choice to mitigate that evil.

        People made the wrong choice.

        • acargitz@lemmy.caEnglish
          6·
          14 hours ago

          You know how we say that Israel is going to continue with apartheid and colonization even if Netanyahu is voted out? And that focusing too much on Netanyahu is sometimes a red herring because Israeli Apartheid is structural and a long term strategic goal of the Israeli establishment? Like, sure Netanyahu accelerates the process and does it shamelessly and publicly, but it’s not as if the process had not been in full swing by both center-left and center-right governments before him, who massively expanded settlements and entrenched the occupation and settlements.

          Same logic applies for the US support of Israeli Apartheid. Your system moves faster and more overtly when controlled by your fascist Right. But I’m not going to pretend that your non-fascist Center is not basically moving in the same direction.

          Just because your political system puts a gun to your heads every four years, doesn’t mean the rest of us have to buy into the same blackmail. (EDIT: we have other blackmails foisted on us by our own assholes thank you very much.)

          • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            52·
            12 hours ago

            Just because your political system puts a gun to your heads every four years, doesn’t mean the rest of us have to buy into the same blackmail.

            Yeah but unfortunately for you, you do. Or even worse, you have no say whatsoever.

        • acargitz@lemmy.caEnglish
          8·
          13 hours ago

          Disprove me. Point me official policies enacted by one of the two US parties that materially opposed Israeli Apartheid and the genocide of Palestinians since Oslo. To make sure I don’t move the goalposts by claiming you cherry pick occasional bleeps, make a strong argument by showing me a consistent trend.

          EDIT: added “since Oslo” because we need some start time.

          EDIT2: Here’s what ChatGPT has to say about this. It is obviously not the arbiter of truth, but I guess this is common enough knowledge that it has made to the training of LLMs. Not a proof, but a baseline to beat:

          Since the Oslo Accords in 1993, both major U.S. political parties—the Democrats and the Republicans—have predominantly supported Israel, often refraining from officially opposing its policies toward Palestinians. While individual politicians within these parties have occasionally criticized Israeli actions, a consistent, party-wide trend of enacting official policies that materially oppose what some describe as Israeli apartheid or the genocide of Palestinians is not evident.

          Democratic Party:

          Historically, the Democratic Party has maintained strong support for Israel. However, in recent years, a progressive faction within the party has voiced concerns over Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. Notably, members of “The Squad,” including Representatives Rashida Tlaib and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, have condemned Israeli policies. For instance, in October 2023, Tlaib accused Israel of committing genocide, stating, “President Biden, not all America is with you on this one, and you need to wake up and understand. We are literally watching people commit genocide.”

          Despite these individual statements, the broader Democratic Party has not adopted official policies that consistently oppose Israeli actions. The party’s platform continues to support a two-state solution without explicitly condemning Israel’s practices. While some Democrats have urged the administration to take a firmer stance, such as the January 2024 letter from 60 Democratic Congressmembers urging Secretary of State Antony Blinken to condemn the forced displacement of Palestinians, these actions represent internal party debates rather than an official, unified policy shift.

          Republican Party:

          The Republican Party has traditionally exhibited unwavering support for Israel. Under President Donald Trump’s administration, this support intensified, with actions such as recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and moving the U.S. embassy there. The 2024 Republican Party platform reaffirmed the party’s stance to “stand with Israel” and called for the deportation of “pro-Hamas radicals,” indicating a continued strong alliance. WIKIPEDIA

          While there have been isolated critiques—such as Trump’s personal criticisms of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu—these do not reflect a broader party policy opposing Israeli actions toward Palestinians. Overall, the Republican Party has not enacted official policies that materially oppose Israel’s treatment of Palestinians.

          Conclusion:

          In summary, neither the Democratic nor the Republican Party has demonstrated a consistent trend of enacting official policies that materially oppose Israel’s actions toward Palestinians since the Oslo Accords. While individual members within these parties have expressed dissenting views, these have not translated into official party-wide policies or actions.

          • inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            1·
            25 minutes ago

            Ugh. Fuck chat gpt. It’s hallucinating and not a legitimate source.

            That being said the uniparty supports capitalism, imperialism, and the unsinkable aircraft carrier known as Israel.

      • Fizz@lemmy.nzEnglish
        38·
        14 hours ago

        You do realize the United States didn’t start that war. They’ve done a lot to stabilize the region and they have tried to solve the issue both before and after the war.

        You try and negotiate a deal between Israel and Palestine it’s not an easy task.

        • acargitz@lemmy.caEnglish
          7·
          14 hours ago

          I never said they started the war. I said they support genocide and apartheid (and I should have added occupation). Which they do. You can argue all you like whether their reasons for doing it are good or bad, but the simple fact of the matter is that in a bipartisan way they support Apartheid Israel and its policies for genocide and occupation. That’s just factual.

          • Fizz@lemmy.nzEnglish
            1·
            3 hours ago

            I was taking aim at the evil influence to the region. The Americans and Israeli didn’t start the war. They have been working to build ties and alliances to promote regional stability. There are Iranian proxy groups that are destabilizing the region, these people are to blame for the war and destabilizing the region. You cannot support these groups.

            I understand people get hurt in war but negotiations with these groups is going terribly. They have insane demands and are completely delusional. You would never accept a terrorist group doing an attack on your country without repercussions.

            • acargitz@lemmy.caEnglish
              1·
              2 hours ago

              Malaka, I’m Greek. Better ask what I’d do if my country was occupied, like the Israelis occupy Palestine. My ancestors did worse to the Ottomans after 400 years of occupation and subjugation than what Hamas did to the Israelis after 80.

              We understand what occupation means and what it does to a people. Same reason why the Irish support the Palestinians. And we understand that the “stability” you talk of reeks of Nakba, Apartheid, Occupation and Genocide.

              Edit: toned down the chest thumping

              • LengAwaits@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                2 hours ago

                I’m curious what you suggest the US should do to rectify your criticisms? Do you advocate for the US to take a completely hands-off approach, withdrawing all presence and funding in the area?

    • JimVanDeventer@lemmy.worldEnglish
      106·
      19 hours ago

      I’m here but I’m not United Statesian so I can’t vote in your elections (even though US foreign influence is so aggressive it feels like I should have a say).

      Oh no, I’ve upset some MAGA weirdos. Gonna lose sleep over that.

    • hark@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1824·
      1 day ago

      https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28/

      When would the killing stop under biden (or harris who was happy to continue his policies)? Pausing one fucking shipment isn’t the amazing stand for life that you think it is. Sure though, blame it all on Palestine and not the democrats refusing to listen to voters (on many issues, not just this one) during a fucking election. I’m sure if the other pro-genocide candidate got in, we’d all be living in fucking paradise.