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Its just amazing to see that they’re actually struggling with this…
Want to get elected?
Go for free healthcare, free education for all, legalize weed everywhere, reform the police system top to bottom, put various new laws in place that will ensure that mobster dictator wannabes will never ever be able to get in power again, give people actual workers rights and real vacation days like in Europe, completely abolish slavery (including in the prisons).
Reform prisons top to bottom, reform schools to rid the system of religion completely and to ensure that all schools, public or private, rich or poor, will have the same standards. Fund government independent foundations that can give grants to companies to invest in renewable energy, fund government independent foundations that will fund journalists and news organizations, only if their reporting will be 100% neutral.
Put restrictions to companies in how large they can become to avoid monopolies or near monopolies as current travel, internet, and grocery stores are. Push public transportation and cyclable and walkable cities so that everyone, car or no car, can go wherever they need to, safely. Reorganize the pharmaceutical industry top to bottom to weed out the abuse. Make it that top level executives from companies can be held criminally (as on go to jail) liable if and when they break the law.
Put laws in place to push housing construction as needed to guarantee that everyone can live comfortably.
I can go on but that is a good start.
How to find all this? Easy. lower investment into the US army by 30%, raise taxes on the rich. Put a top in place on both monthly income and total net worth. Once your monthly income crosses a line, all the surplus will be 100% taxes. Samen goes for total wealth. No one should be worth a billion dollars. No one should be worth 100 million dollars. Put a cap at, I dunno, 10 million dollars. Anything above that? Taxes. Then you’ll have a shit tonne of extra money available that can be used for all of that and to pay off the national debt in no time.
THAT will get you votes, but you’ll never do even a tiny fraction of that because fuck those dirty people at the bottom that you don’t want to have to deal with.
I’m tired
They don’t want to win they just want to bitch and moan and beg for donos like a fucking twitch streamer
The Neolibs in control of the party will burn the country down befor losing power or telling their rich donors that they have to make some concessions
They haven’t allowed a primary election since 2016 where they almost lost control of the party to leftists.
The democrats have an elitism problem, their party doesn’t appeal to the average American even though their policies do. The candidates they run tend to appeal more to college educated persons but far less to those who don’t hold post-secondary degrees. Their policies also often times don’t do enough to actually help the average person and lack universality which is desperately needed as the economy continues to get worse and every day life continues to get harder. They refuse to acknowledge this and continue to lose as a result.
All the democratic policies always came with means testing. I always supported all their stuff but it rarely helped me or people I know because of the means testing.
The democrats have an elitism problem, their party doesn’t appeal to the average American even though their policies do. The candidates they run tend to appeal more to college educated persons but far less to those who don’t hold post-secondary degrees.
People love simple answers to problems. Unfortunately, the problems we’re facing are incredibly complex and don’t have simple realistic answers. Simply looking solutions have complicated consequences that aren’t immediately obvious. The average American (that doesn’t hold post-secondary education) typically doesn’t understand this. So when a problem is explained and a solution that addresses it is presented, it usually leaves them confused.
Their policies also often times don’t do enough to actually help the average person
…not enough help, I agree.
and lack universality which is desperately needed as the economy continues to get worse and every day life continues to get harder.
You lost on me on this one. Universality? As in a living minimum wage that would benefit not only those struggling on the poverty line, but also help billionaires?
They refuse to acknowledge this and continue to lose as a result.
This is where I more strongly disagree. This goes back to my first point.
We’re facing very complex problems that don’t have simple answers. However, the other side is providing simple to understand solutions. The problem is those simple solutions are horrendous, and aren’t actually solutions. Example:
- Americans are struggling with low wages. The other side says its because of foreigners and moves to arrest and deport them. Simple right? Except you and I both know the low wages has nothing to do with immigrants, and instead on corporate America and captured politicians keeping wages low while productivity continues to rise.
If the other side simply gives simple “common sense” solutions that a typical American understands (even if its wrong), then that will be appealing to them instead of a realistic complex solution which promises far fewer benefits. What are Democrats to do here that can counter the infinite depth of lies of the other side?
We’re facing very complex problems that don’t have simple answers. However, the other side is providing simple to understand solutions. The problem is those simple solutions are horrendous, and aren’t actually solutions. Example:
- Americans are struggling with low wages. The other side says its because of foreigners and moves to arrest and deport them. Simple right? Except you and I both know the low wages has nothing to do with immigrants, and instead on corporate America and captured politicians keeping wages low while productivity continues to rise.
If the other side simply gives simple “common sense” solutions that a typical American understands (even if its wrong), then that will be appealing to them instead of a realistic complex solution which promises far fewer benefits. What are Democrats to do here that can counter the infinite depth of lies of the other side?
Where in your example is the Democratic solution to this same problem? It seems like you’re just arguing that people are too dumb to understand that Democrats always do what’s best for them while here (and in your follow up reply below) state that the problems we face are essentially too complicated to fix so we shouldn’t hold it against Democrats for not having solutions.
It seems like you’re just arguing that people are too dumb to understand that Democrats always do what’s best for them
I didn’t say that. You can keep your strawman, thanks.
while here (and in your follow up reply below) state that the problems we face are essentially too complicated to fix so we shouldn’t hold it against Democrats for not having solutions.
No, I’m saying why its easy for the other side to make simply promises that have no attachment to realty and American voters eat it up.
I didn’t say that. You can keep your strawman, thanks.
You did right here while implying that Democrats are the ones with legitimate solutions that people are just too dumb to understand. Unsurprisingly, you couldn’t list any examples of Democratic policy that fits with anything you’ve said in this entire chain of comments.
People love simple answers to problems. Unfortunately, the problems we’re facing are incredibly complex and don’t have simple realistic answers. Simply looking solutions have complicated consequences that aren’t immediately obvious. The average American (that doesn’t hold post-secondary education) typically doesn’t understand this. So when a problem is explained and a solution that addresses it is presented, it usually leaves them confused.
I didn’t offer solution (complex or simple) nor did I point to one that Democrats did. I also never said anything about Democrats always doing whats best or implying everything Democrats propose should be followed blindly. Thats a GOP talking point, not mine.
What are Democrats to do here that can counter the infinite depth of lies of the other side?
Actually do something. The implementations of the right solutions are complex, but the solutions themselves are pretty simple to understand. Tax the wealthy invest in public services and infrastructure pass election reform fucking kill the filibuster already there are mountains of things that need to be done and democrats don’t care enough to do most of it. Republican lies only work as much as they do because they only need to sound better than the paper-thin Democrat excuse of “we’re trying but it’s complicated” when most people aren’t seeing results because the Democrats aren’t trying. If the DNC really wanted to improve things, they’d listen to people like Bernie and AOC who are calling for real change.
the solutions themselves are pretty simple to understand.
…and…
Tax the wealthy invest in public services and infrastructure
Sure that sounds great, but realistically what would it take to do that? Thank you for providing a great example of why “simple” is anything but. To do this there would need to be a massive coordination of candidates that all speak at the same time during an election cycle with talking points about improving the lower and middle class while also appeasing powerful entrenched interested. The statements would have to be powerful enough attract the “simple solution” Americans but not specific enough to reveal the actual mechanism of taxing the wealthy. At the same time the other side could promise the world without any strings attaching them to accountability to deliver on those things. To move to the next step the Democrats would need to get elected in a powerful enough majority to actually vote enough and not be blocked. That right there is likely the first impossibility.
Second, the newly elected Democrats would have to mostly change their policy on taxation to do that massive tax increase on the wealthy. This starts a clock of about 1.5 years until the midterms because powerful entrenched interests will use their power and money to obliterate Democratic representation in the House. Further, with the filibuster now gone, the protection for the newly implemented wealth tax legislation can be overturned by newly elected officials from the other side, and now because the Democratic benevolent duplicity is revealed, the powerful entrenched interests will throw their weight behind weak Democratic candidates or for other side for the next 20 years.
Your post reminded me of the saying (paraphrasing from memory) “to every complicated problem there is an answer that is easy, simple, and wrong.”
Everyone bemoans government inefficiency and slowness without understanding that “that’s the point”. Legislation in a democracy is hard and compromise is necessary. The slowness is a feature not a bug. Yes it means some good things will be delayed, or not implemented as well as some may like, but a lot of bad shit is avoided as well.
The opposition party… we’re cooked.
private Senate Democratic luncheon
And that pretty neatly sums up the whole problem right there.
All they can think to do us sit around and talk to each other, alternately lamenting the fact that the hicks in flyover country can’t seem to understand that they know what’s best for them and wondering what’s wrong with their "messaging "
Democrats and their voters openly talk shit to people who need help from their policies the most, and then wonder why Trump lying to them about how he wants to help them (read: help himself and whoever is paying him) wins elections.
When the East Palestine derailment happened, people were saying that since Ohio was red in the 2020 election, everyone in the city deserved it.
The children and teens too young to vote? The blue voters who got gerrymandered? The felons that can’t vote? Fuck em! The minority of Republicans got a win, so burn the entire state to the ground!
It’s just amazing how they will claim they want to help people, and then if you live in a line drawn in the sand 200 years ago they want you dead, ignoring however you personally wanted their aid and policies.
All they can think to do
They’re not that stupid.
They know exactly what voters want to hear and what they want politicians to do.
The issue is that is often the direct opposite of what their donors tell them to do. If they wanted to reach out, they’d hand AOC a megaphone or let Bernie talk about policy.
They’re focused on “messaging” because that’s what they have control over still. They can’t change their votes or support of policies, because the oligarchs decide that for Dem leadership just like they do Republican.
A letter by their name doesn’t make them your friend just because the other letter would make them your enemy. We need to have higher standards than just that letter, otherwise the ones with the most donations will keep winning primaries, and keep being the only other option.
Yes.
The dirty little secret of the DNC is that they don’t even really care about winning elections. They only want to keep the soft money flowing, and that requires never actually enacting any progressive policies, and if that means that they alienate voters and lose elections, that’s fine by them.
In fact, they sort of prefer to lose. If they win, then they’re stuck having to go through all sorts of bizarre contortions to somehow manage to continue to fail to do the things they promise their supporters they intend to do and they’re the ones stuck with the blame when the policies they enact on the behalf of the donor class inevitably make things worse for everyone else. Bit if they lose, they don’t have to actually do anything, and they get to fundraise on the need to stop the Republicans.
Bernie is only popular with leftist voters. People just see what the average Democrat likes and think the whole country likes him. This is not the case, he wouldn’t win a national election even if nominated
Bernie is also not a Democrat. He only joined the party to run for president. He left again.
Right, and his views wouldn’t make a winning platform
As opposed to who, Hillary Clinton?
No, you need someone more charismatic than that
Obama won both terms easily. Even Biden won, although it was closer
While being totally oblivious to the fact that the right now owns all media. Nothing the Democrats do or say is ever going viral. They will never be heard about in a positive way ever again. Game over man.
Democrats. Worthless when in power. Worthless when in the opposition role.
