Find out whether your gaming PC is able to run Doom: The Dark Ages and if it hits the recommended specs for the upcoming demon stomper.

So now we’re being forced to have poorer performance and locked into buying more expensive hardware.

I’ll have to pass on this type of crap and vote with my wallet when ray tracing still isn’t there for the majority of pc gamers.

  • Kraiden@kbin.earth
    2519·
    3 days ago

    So couple things:

    The first RTX cards were the 20 series, which came out in 2018

    There was a time when volumetric lighting was also optional

    There was a time when GRAPHICS CARDS were optional.

    The first game to require RTX was the Indiana Jones game, as did the Avatar game.

    Shit moves on. Did you expect your 1060 card from 2016 to last indefinitely? How long did you expect developers to support 2 different lighting systems?

    There is so much to be angry about these days, but not this. This was inevitable. If you MUST be angry about it, at least be angry at the right devs

    • woelkchen@lemmy.worldEnglish
      141·
      3 days ago

      Shit moves on. Did you expect your 1060 card from 2016 to last indefinitely? How long did you expect developers to support 2 different lighting systems?

      This as well as Indiana Jones are both 1st party games Microsoft which are also being released onto Xbox Series S. They are already supporting two different lighting systems because of that.

      It’s not unreasonable to for paying customers to expect Microsoft to just ship the same performance profiles on their PC games.

      What Microsoft is doing is not a technological move. It’s a desperate move to sell more Xboxes.

      • Kraiden@kbin.earth
        610·
        3 days ago

        I can’t comment too deeply on consoles. I have no real experience with them, but from a very shallow level, the series S was released in 2020, and Google suggests that it supports ray tracing.

        So my point stands. Stop expecting your 10 year old hardware to run new games indefinitely

        • woelkchen@lemmy.worldEnglish
          44·
          3 days ago

          I can’t comment too deeply on consoles.

          Then don’t.

          Google suggests that it supports ray tracing.

          Series S has raytracing support on paper (just as Steam Deck has) but the GPU is way too underpowered to actually use raytracing for anything.

          So my point stands.

          No, it doesn’t.

          Stop expecting your 10 year old hardware to run new games indefinitely

          Nobody said that. What can be expected is for Microsoft to ship the same performance profiles they enable for one of their platforms (Series S) on their other 1st party platform (Windows).

          • Kraiden@kbin.earth
            3·
            2 days ago

            I apologize for my last comment, I was drunk when I wrote it. I’d rather not put that kind of negativity into the world.

            I do still disagree with you though.

            On paper or not, the system supports it, which means that they are very likely NOT supporting two lighting systems, which means that, yes, my point still stands. The series S is only 5 years old. The minimum system requirements are for 7 year old hardware.

            EVERYTHING else is a matter of optimization, which no one here can comment on until the game is released. You just cannot know the game will perform badly until it is released.

            As evidence of this, I will again point to the Indiana Jones game which is a) Ray Traced, b) Runs on the series S, and c) runs at 60fps (although, admittedly it’s apparently blurry)

            • woelkchen@lemmy.worldEnglish
              32·
              2 days ago

              check the community you’re posting in… aaaand then fuck right off…

              Check the rulebook of the community you’re posting in.

    • inclementimmigrant@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      96·
      3 days ago

      I grew up gaming on a 386 when the great divide was CGA, EGA, VGA, and SVGA, that was the first big graphics card war for me and the beginning of the whole, Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia moment, and then the gulf of floppy disks and hard drives, and then CD-Roms and then the the 3d accelerators games. PC gaming has always had point of contention between the whales and have nots but gaming studios had a good track record always made sure to provide plenty of support to those gamers who weren’t whales.

      Forcing ray tracing when you have to have a 1000+ dollar video card to run ray tracing that doesn’t tank your frame rate into completely unplayable territory then ray tracing is not ready for prime time yet and complete shit move on the developers part to mandate it when it’s still untenable for most gamers.

      Nope, this is just complete bullshit to me that’s forcing gamers to have a sub par experience and force them into buying more expensive hardware for no other reason than to satisfy a publisher’s ego to market their game “next gen”.

      Edit: How sad is it that ray tracing was first released in 2018 and we still don’t have the hardware to run them on a rig with moderate hardware.

      • Zanz@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        2 days ago

        Ray tracy can be cheaper for equivalent lighting quality than rasternization. Depending on how they use it, it could be great to have rates and only just like how mega texters work. People got upset about the g p u memory requirements for mega texters , but it was a huge gain in performance if you hit the minimum. Retracing as an effect on top of rasterized ighting is a big hit to performance and the only thing we have now.

        Native real-time ray tracing was released like 20 years ago with ati x1000 series. No one wanted to risk making a retracing only games so it never took on. Rtx is based on using ray tracing as an effect to go on top of rasternized graphics.

        No current games use retracing only, indiana jones uses it for mandatory effects and not as the primary render method.

      • Kraiden@kbin.earth
        127·
        3 days ago

        forcing gamers to have a sub par experience

        The game isn’t even out yet and you’re commenting on performance! As someone else pointed out, the modern Doom games have a reputation for being extremely well optimised, so let’s wait and see how it actually performs on a 20 series card

        As for needing a card > $1000 that’s just ridiculous. You can get a 4060 NEW for under 500, and again, the minimum here is a 2060.

        Re: supporting old hardware, again. The minimum is 7 year old hardware. I was also around in the 386 era and to say that devs of that time supported hardware for longer, is at best, wildly exaggerated.