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      The faster they move the more they can get done before their opponents can mobilise resistance.

      I would say that so far, there appears to be much less public resistance to Republican policies than in previous years. The Democrats appear to be at sea. The left’s working class base is split. Public institutions are too busy protecting their turf, making gestures at cooperating with the new world order rather than trying to resist.

      It feels like last time there was an assumption that Trump and MAGA politics a criminal dictator and fascist politics were a blip or aberration from the norm, now there’s an acceptance that they’re institutionalised.

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        Trump and MAGA politics

        Maybe the language we use to describe them is itself normalising and pacifying. Like calling a Nazi salute a “hand gesture.”

        I would suggest “a criminal dictator and fascist politics” as a substitute in your sentence to provoke an acceptable, proportionate reaction.

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      Rather unfortunately, the mass deportations was one of the most popular parts of Trump’s platform. Everybody knows mass deportation comes with concentration camps. It’s not that his voters are unaware of it, they actively love it!

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    As an added note, they deported multiple children to Colombia the other day. Half the people they’ve arrested in specific areas have zero criminal records. Some are even US citizens. This is not for immigrants, this a Latino concentration camp.

    I know two people first hand who have been here for over 30 years with no criminal records who are being detained. These are the people being sent to Guantanamo.

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      Don’t worry, they’ll find a way to pack people in. Maybe some kind of high energy weight loss system like their role models used in the 1940s?

      This is bad juju. The detention camps from the first cycle with this fascists was nothing on what we’re seeing ramping up here.

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        Don’t worry, they’ll find a way to pack people in. Maybe some kind of high energy weight loss system like their role models used in the 1940s?

        I’m sure they are already working on the final solution.

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          Now I want someone to ask trump “what’s your final solution for these people?”

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      At it’s peak it held about 800 prisoners, kinda impossibly small for the numbers discussed here.

      Edit-- Well, trump did say “Most people don’t even know that we have 30,000 beds in Guantanamo”, I guess file me with most people. Must be incredible how they scaled up while simultaneously closing camps and losing facilities to disrepair, apparently.

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        This feels like “how many dead babies can you fit in a trash can?”

        Depends on how good your blender is.

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        Doesn’t matter how many beds they have, Trump doesn’t want them making it past the showers.

        But I’m sure there will be all sorts of bipartisan and humanitarian oversight. Right?

        Right?

        It’s not like you can just make a single “undocumented” person disappear. Let alone their whole nuclear family. What would the rest of their family say?

        Probably “can I crash in your attic”.

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      It’s not eventually. The ‘problem’ with being overly aggressive on migration is how easy it is to ignore someone’s “documentation”. And then it is a quick move to a camp where they’ve determined that, for efficiency, you don’t have any right to representation. License? Fake. Passport? Fake.

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      Man, the place is gonna so quiet without all the US citizens, we’ll finally be able to talk about stuff that isn’t related to the US!

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      Trans women specifically, the others are safe for a few more years then it will be their turn.

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        😢 I’d guess trans women and all unhoused people could be the first casualties, potentially involving cheap prison labour within the US to replace externally detained migrants. Why is it so easy to think of worst case scenarios but so hard to think of ways to stop this?

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          Democrats could actually campaign on healthcare for all, living wages and stop trying to restrict gun ownership for the working class. But here we are. But then they’d have to actually help poor people instead of trapping them in cycles of dependency, and tax the rich. There’s a reason they shut Bernie down. Their owners don’t like those things.

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            I meant before elections come (and that’s assuming they don’t find a way to undermine those as well). All I can think of is how Michelle Obama quoted MLK Jr. and said to honour his legacy by getting involved in local community, honouring the other important day of the year that it was, rather than commenting on the inauguration directly.

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      Homosexuality Queerdom is a Jewish immigrant plot against Germany the US.

      It’s practically fascist mad libs.

      The path to that easier than you might think. Just get the propaganda mill talking about Thai ladyboys and black-market hormones a bit. They love little talking points that are are rooted in preconceptions and tiny slivers of half-truths that they can contort to fit their agenda…to expand on and then justify their actions.

      They are fun to pick out. The other day Trump claimed that the ominous “they” were sending water directly to the ocean to save an endangered fish instead of to LA to fight fires.

      That endangered fish is called a Delta Smelt. “Delta”, as in a river delta, as found at the end of a river…you know, that thing that carries said water to the ocean.

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      100%. If you look at the language they’re using to describe trans people in their EOs it’s clear as day where they’re heading and considering they’ve begun holding trans people’s passports indefinitely- they don’t want us escaping.

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        Someone in another thread is literally telling me queer people have nothing to fear because, according to them, nothing serious has happened yet.

        And they and others give me shit for getting my gay daughter out of the country because I’m supposed to put Palestinians (who I work my ass off to help) ahead of my own child. Which, and I’m not sure they understand this, is neglect and generally frowned upon by child protective services.

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          I don’t get it, what does you moving to the UK have to do with helping Palestinians?

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            Apparently you should care more about Palestinians than your own queer child because there is no genocide of queer people in America even though it’s literally already started… but it’s not like those people actually give a shit about Palestinians. They’re just a pawn in their need to berate strangers on the internet.

            I pointedly ask them what they are doing about the genocide since I work my ass off contacting politicians. It’s very clear that not only have most of them not done shit, most of them have never even talked to a Palestinian.

            They also don’t seem to realize (or maybe care) that there are queer Palestinians. In America. At risk right now. Also in Palestine. But I guess they’ll be just fine.

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              Ah, the usual bad faith crap where some people decide that one particular tragedy out of the thousands happening all over the world right now is all you should care about. They’re just like the single-issue voters that helped Trump get elected.

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          There are definitely others that seem to participate in these discussions with the sole goal of upsetting people wearing a veneer of of leftist politics while lacking any seeming empathy. I tend to doubt their motives when they seem to only have compassion for some and not all

          How did you get out of the country if you don’t mind me asking? I have no idea where I would start if I needed to leave. I’d prefer to go to a blue state if I could but of course that might not be an option. Also do you miss living in the US?

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            I am lucky because of this: https://www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship-british-parent/born-before-1983

            However, we are living on my savings until I get a job and my wife had to stay behind for now. My daughter can be here on a travel visa for six months and we will be out of money in three. I need a job that makes at least £29,000 a year to get a family visa for the two of them.

            We’ve also only been here since the inauguration, so I am not all that homesick so far (I miss my wife and our dogs). Also I am just in awe of how nice and helpful people are here. I really didn’t realize the exact extent of American self-entitlement asshole culture until we got here and everyone has been friendly and helpful. Even the drunks.

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        Some of us are able to keep more than one concern in our heads at a time.

        So no, I’m not going to ignore the oppression of queer people just because you don’t want their existence brought up.

        Also, you do know that some of those immigrants are queer, right? Did you assume they were all cishet?

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    My grandmother fought in the Dutch resistance, helped people who were Jewish escape, and was put in a camp. She died a few years ago. This is how that happened, too. And we’re all watching. Even with americas vaunted 2nd amendment, Russian-backed fascists just walked in and took over, and everyone is just watching them. No riots, no fighting back, just passive resistance.

    I wish all of you the best of luck. I’m going to go hug my kids.

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        She really was. The war changed her forever, though. On her death bed she disavowed her lifelong Roman Catholicism, saying “No God would allow what I have seen and lived.”

        Before that she was an absolute badass and had many dalliances with a man of the clergy, causing his expulsion from the order.

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      Don’t blame the Russian for what the US is doing. A country that spent years of committing war crimes and establishing laws that invade privacy, haunting down journalist and humanitarian, is destined to use that power to abuse their own people sooner or later regardless of foreign intervention.

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        Don’t blame the Russian for what the US is doing

        Я сделаю все, что захочу, товарищ.

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    Concentration camp/torture camp.

    Lots of people fantasize about what they might do if they had the opportunity to act to stop what was happening in WWII Germany but here we are.

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      All the big, strong, don’t-tread-on-me styled people just rolling on their backs and showing their bellies to fascism. What a time to be alive, at least Germans of the 1920s-30s didn’t have a direct case study to refer to.

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      Its worse in some ways, the US is a far bigger country. While the 3rd reich destroyed their economy under the repayment plans of WW1 The US seems to be committing a similar kind of economic suicide with absolutely zero pressure to do so.

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    MAGA has a hardon for cruelty. It’s about hurting people. They love the idea a rounding up non-white people, loading them into boxcars, and shipping them off to concentration camps. Everything that Trump has done so far is going make billionaires richer and regular Americans much poorer but as long as he’s hurting non-whites they will sit around giving each other rage handies and praising him.

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      but as long as he’s hurting non-whites they will sit around giving each other rage handies and praising him

      What I find fascinating is the right-wing illegal immigration latinos who support Trump. Up until now they’ve been saying “He’s not going to deport us, he’s deporting the criminals”. I just read a news article about half of the people they’ve arrested so far did not have any criminal records.

      White House press secretary goes live the other day and says “We’re going to deport all of them. They’re all criminals as far as I’m concerned”

      I think people have this instinctual burning desire to feel part of an “in-group” and to hate against an “out-group”. It’s such a strong burning desire that people will jump through so many mental hoops even when they are in the “out-group”.

      Note that being illegal is not a crime. It’s like when you get a parking ticket. It’s against the law but it isn’t a criminal violation. But of course the administration doesn’t care and neither does the army of rabid Americans cheering on the destruction of the country.

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    Doesn’t seem like misreporting. I found other sources reporting it too.

    I sent a text to those I love in any capacity, even former coworkers who’ve probably deleted my number. Not a group text - one by one. I think it’d be prudent for all US readers to consider doing the same.

    Knowing some of you are like me, in that you might not know how to word such a text to someone not expecting it from you, I offer you my copy/pasted text:

    America has a concentration camp now. I won’t send you anything more…it’s kind of rude that I’m sending this one. https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/donald-trump-announces-plan-to-send-migrants-guantanamo-bay/

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      I would add something like, “But this is important and the people need to know about it.” at the end. It highlights the gravity of the situation and subtly encourages recipients to do the same.

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    I’m sure imprisoning 30000 innocent people next to highly trained terrorists won’t come back to haunt the US.

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      If Trump dies, you’ll have Vance , who is arguably worse, because his brain isn’t riddled with cheeseburgers and adderall, but regardless of who is wearing the crown, it’s people like Stephen Hitler Miller who is running project 2025 and putting the ideas in Donnie’s head.

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    Fucking hell. We were sooooooo close to finally releasing the poor souls caught up from 9/11 shit stuck here. I’m so fucking disgusted by the ruling class in this country.