Lemmys collective view amounts to i) Israel is deliberately, capriciously, methodically committing genocide “isn’t it obvious” ii) anything Hamas does is Israel’s fault iii) the solution is “obviously” for Israel to make peace with a group consisting of some 25,000 psychopathic islamic extremists.
Lemmy’s plan for extremist Jews and Arabs to coexist is… wait… it was around here… somewhere… where’s it gone?..
(Downvotes if you can’t articulate a plan, please)
We (including you, unless you’d care to share some credentials) are all laymen here. Therefore, the logical thing to do is to look to the opinions of experts. The experts and scholars generally agree that Israel is committing genocide. The article even admits that (in the sentence I quoted above). Are you, like the article’s author, suggesting that your expertise trumps these experts and scholars?
I agree with their findings, it bears all the hallmarks of genocide. I just find it a bit pedestrian for the report (or anyone else) to not deal with the overall narrative when making that conclusion. Specifically, that what Israel inflicts on Gaza is disproportionate and illegal. Yet it perversely remains under Hamas’ control too. Not a feature of your usual genocide. Does anyone seriously doubt the situation wouldn’t immediately improve if Hamas surrendered and returned hostages? That doesn’t justify Israel inflicting high collateral damage, but it remains true. Israel punishes the population because a proportion of the population are Hamas jihadists. That’s unambiguously against international law. But it wouldn’t be happening if Hamas wasn’t holding 150 civilians hostage after invading Israel and murdering 1700 - which is also against international law. Calling for Israel to stop what it’s doing is a necessary intervention but is pointless if it doesn’t also find a method to make the instigator return their civilian hostages.
They’re connected. Lemmy can’t come up with a solution because there isn’t a solution. And because there’s no solution, any warfare with Hamas ends up looking like total war. Of course total war is bad. But calling out for it to stop doesn’t work if the ‘peace’ is a greater threat. And no-one has a solution to that.
Talking about peace has become more rare. Calls for the destruction of Israel are leading the pack.
The whole I/P situation is complex, terrible, polarized, heavily propagandized, and on a bad trajectory.
Actually trying to understand the situation and listening to all voices is difficult. It’s much easier to westsplain the situation with „colonizer“, „justice“, „racism“, and „oppression“. This serves really well to paint oneself in the most morally virtuous light.
I suspect your efforts here might be wasted
Lemmys collective view amounts to i) Israel is deliberately, capriciously, methodically committing genocide “isn’t it obvious” ii) anything Hamas does is Israel’s fault iii) the solution is “obviously” for Israel to make peace with a group consisting of some 25,000 psychopathic islamic extremists.
Lemmy’s plan for extremist Jews and Arabs to coexist is… wait… it was around here… somewhere… where’s it gone?..
(Downvotes if you can’t articulate a plan, please)
We (including you, unless you’d care to share some credentials) are all laymen here. Therefore, the logical thing to do is to look to the opinions of experts. The experts and scholars generally agree that Israel is committing genocide. The article even admits that (in the sentence I quoted above). Are you, like the article’s author, suggesting that your expertise trumps these experts and scholars?
I agree with their findings, it bears all the hallmarks of genocide. I just find it a bit pedestrian for the report (or anyone else) to not deal with the overall narrative when making that conclusion. Specifically, that what Israel inflicts on Gaza is disproportionate and illegal. Yet it perversely remains under Hamas’ control too. Not a feature of your usual genocide. Does anyone seriously doubt the situation wouldn’t immediately improve if Hamas surrendered and returned hostages? That doesn’t justify Israel inflicting high collateral damage, but it remains true. Israel punishes the population because a proportion of the population are Hamas jihadists. That’s unambiguously against international law. But it wouldn’t be happening if Hamas wasn’t holding 150 civilians hostage after invading Israel and murdering 1700 - which is also against international law. Calling for Israel to stop what it’s doing is a necessary intervention but is pointless if it doesn’t also find a method to make the instigator return their civilian hostages.
It’s not genocide because…an internet discussion group can’t come up with any solution?
That’s taking the goalposts and shoving them off the cliff.
They’re connected. Lemmy can’t come up with a solution because there isn’t a solution. And because there’s no solution, any warfare with Hamas ends up looking like total war. Of course total war is bad. But calling out for it to stop doesn’t work if the ‘peace’ is a greater threat. And no-one has a solution to that.
Lemmy’s dominant view amounts to Israel evil.
Talking about peace has become more rare. Calls for the destruction of Israel are leading the pack.
The whole I/P situation is complex, terrible, polarized, heavily propagandized, and on a bad trajectory.
Actually trying to understand the situation and listening to all voices is difficult. It’s much easier to westsplain the situation with „colonizer“, „justice“, „racism“, and „oppression“. This serves really well to paint oneself in the most morally virtuous light.
Just a little bit of nuance would be helpful.