ID: ally @missmayn posted: “the democrats were more energized and organized against campus protests than the current authoritarian takeover.”
People also talked more about Will Smith slapping Chris Rock than most of Trump’s recent actions. Welcome to Idiocracy. Hey I think Oww My Balls is on!
Can’t escape the braindead c/Politics users even in this comments thread bruh.
People out here still blaming voters as if it isn’t the literal textbook definition of a politician to meet consituent demands for their vote.
Not only was the DNC content in allowing Trump to win, they were content in losing just to protect Israel. a
Were you not paying attention? The school admin will step in to help attack the pro-Palestine students. They already have been.
The post claimed the democrats persecuted them more than Trump, I demonstrated the post is false. I never said a single thing about the school admins, nor do I care. Hey, you were just promoting Luigi in another sub and now you’re over here siding with a Tankie Community?
I dislike the democratic party as well, but that just flat-out isn’t true. There are focused efforts to stop most of Trump’s exec orders and many other actions (as they relate to him trying to act like he has control of governmental spending, etc.) as many are blatantly illegal or unenforceable and also to stop Musk. Now, senators and house members aren’t doing a ton, but there’s not much they can do - they are a bicameral minority. They actually are threatening a government shutdown, but that hasn’t occurred yet. Most of the resistance is rightly coming from the judicial branch.
Sounds like confusion stems from you believing words and actions to be of equal value. Which is typical for any defense of Democrats.
I hadn’t considered this until this post, but where are those protesters now?
Facing felony charges from a democrat.
The media has no reason to cover the protests anymore
Protests have been ongoing. Just off camera, mostly. Some students got suspended from the schools, other schools have been banning groups from organizing over pro-palestinian issues.
I mean, the Israel lobby won.
Just off camera
This is the important part. Corporate propaganda outlets will not report on burgeoning political movements that threaten the status quo, unless they are absolutely forced to, and only then to deride and ridicule them in order to discourage their growth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Revolution_Will_Not_Be_Televised
The revolution will not be right back after a message about a white tornado, white lightning, or white people
You will not have to worry about a dove in your bedroom, the tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl
The revolution will not go better with Coke
The revolution will not fight germs that may cause bad breath
The revolution will put you in the driver’s seat
The revolution will not be televised
Will not be televised
Will not be televised
Will not be televised
The revolution will be no re-run, brothers
The revolution will be live
I thought the USA was the Israel lobby 🤔
They are and they won.
Being deported
They were only ever there to get the high of feeling morally superior. They never gave a flying fuck about Palestinians or they would have voted to keep Trump out of office.
Oh you just copy paste this like a bot, okay. You know we should stop pressuring our party leaders to do anything we want because they don’t represent us afterall right?
Oh you just copy paste this like a bot, okay.
I don’t care. Tell it to someone who does.
You know we should stop pressuring our party leaders to do anything we want because they don’t represent us afterall right?
Spoken like someone who’s never bothered to look up the voting history of both parties. You should take some of the energy you use for crying and direct it to doing some actual research into the subjects you’re crying about.
You should take some of the energy you use for crying
I dont copy paste shit everywhere :p
I’m so glad to hear from someone that did actual research about this! Would you mind sharing some of the sources that support your claim about protesters only caring about “feeling morally superior”? I can’t find anything about this, but it sounds like you can help. Was there a study?
Here to point out that those protestors were only there to feel morally superior. They never gave a fuck about Palestinians or they would have voted to keep Trump out of office.
What a ghoulish thing to say
These garbage ratio posts that continue to blame the working class for a failing duopoly political system that has been taken hostage by a plutocracy, and has clearly divorced itself from the needs and desires of the governed populace do nothing more than confirm that Lemmy is now rife with bots and state actors.
One of the parties platform outlined an escape from plutocracy so yes absolutely 100% the blame is on voters of all class. We should have supported the policies we claim to want, we should have backed the dems.
Everyone wants to talk about the power of the working class until the criticism pops up.
What criticism bro? That they actually stood up for smth they believed in? The reality is that Palestine was suffering, Palestine is suffering and Palestine will suffer. The only way to stop this suffering, is a third party in US who actually cares about human life.
And since that isn’t present, the short term solution was to mitigate damage. Instead, the damage has been accelerated.
Voters failed.
But please, continue giving them a pass for failing to responsibly inform themselves and choose what’s best for our nation, regardless of living in a duopoly political system taken hostage by a plutocracy.
Please, tell me how you think the situation would be the same right now if Democrats won, as opposed to our current situation in which our federal government is being deconstructed and our information is being uploaded to an unelected billionaire’s private servers.
Millions failed, not the handful in positions of leadership who have actual power, and whose job it is to earn enough votes to win elections?
Nobody has lost their grandparents or parents, I’m so sure of it.
-You
Hope they like Donald Trump.
Who to you think I voted for?
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What I don’t understand is that there aren’t any protests going on for the current administration. Like he’s calling to literally remove all Palestinians and no one cares now?
Saw people protesting Gaza just yesterday, not at the 50501 group either.
there aren’t any protests going on for the current administration
Are you fucking kidding me??
Take your apparatchik strawman back to [email protected] 🙄
Let’s also remember that Trump is deporting international students who participated in pro-Palestine protests on US campuses
That’s literally the first article I’ve seen about it and the first time I’ve heard it called 50501.
Maybe things are just moving too fast?
I’m not against it, literally all for it, but I feel like there were larger protests after his first election and concerned about not seeing more.
I feel like there were larger protests after his first election and concerned about not seeing more
It’s been two weeks. People are still reeling and major protests take time to organize.
The 50501 movement alone has organized more protests than there was in the first two weeks of his first infestation. No matter what it “feels like” to you.
I was really just looking for people’s insights/perspectives on things here, cause I feel like it’s important.
But to demonstrate what I mean, the 2017 women’s march happened the day after Trumps first inauguration and had 470,000 people in DC alone, with somewhere between 3-5million participating across the country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Women’s_March
Idk why people are being so toxic to you but another thing to consider is the news cycle has been completely overtaken by Trump since
I think people are just frustrated, I know I am.
You’re certainly right about Tump just owning the news cycle. Whether it’s all been literally taken over, they’re too afraid to fight back, or whatever it’s clear that most news agencies aren’t willing to call a spade a spade (or a nazi salute a nazi salute).
Sounds like you’re not looking very hard for them.
That’s fair.
I guess part of me is worried that I have to look hard.
You do because the mainstream media is complicit.
The corporate interests that are backing this coup are the same ones in control of the social media platforms. They are actively suppressing efforts efforts to organize.
That would at least explain things, it definitely feels more muted than last time. I’m hoping it isn’t just apathy and am looking for more ways to make an impact.
Wasn’t there supposed to be a big one yesterday across all US state capitals?
The media is in the pocket of the president. Why would they publish that story
Ah yes. Fascists taking over the county? Time to blame their opposition. Help their opposition? Nah, I’d rather blame them.
Lol, what opposition?
It’s not enough, but I’ve seen more of it from the DNC than I have you.
I’ve seen more of it from [the elected officials delegated to head the country], than [the random poster on the internet].
the bar is in hell.
Nobody was blaming anyone in the post, just making an observation.
But yes the first step in growth is realizing your mistakes and they refuse to do that. Fascism depends entirely on lazy, uninvolved and conflict averse people. Nowhere in the world has fascism ever come to power without the support of “centrists”. The US democratic party is a party of centrists with no goals and no interest in actually doing anything. They have created the perfect breeding ground for a fascist takeover.
I have posted it before and i will post it again, the democratic party is not free of blame. They cant just lean back and blame everything on Trump or Musk or voters.
The Democrats will learn the wrong lesson from this: “We need to convince more Republicans to vote for us!”
They were taught the wrong lesson. The left refuses to vote for them because they don’t perfectly represent them; moderates turn out and can be swung from time to time. What tangible evidence do they have that moving left will gain them more votes than it will cost them?
What tangible evidence do they have that moving left will gain them more votes than it will cost them?
Actual data from Bernie Sanders’ campaign showing that he was vastly more popular overall (and especially in red states) than the centrists.
And Bernie endorsed Harris, and she lost.
And? Do you think an endorsement automatically means everyone who would have voted for Bernie would vote for Harris? Like I said, Bernie’s popularity over other Democratic candidates was most pronounced in red states. Those votes didn’t transfer to Harris, they transfered to Trump, or to no one at all.
Like I said, the wrong lesson was taught.
I’m not directly affected by American politics. But it is interesting to see how it behaves. The Democrats seem to have an identity crisis, they appear to have expected to win because “who would vote for the orange guy?” mentality, but they showed their lack of vision by allowing Biden to run first then switching to Kamala when it didn’t work out. In the meantime Trump was being a salesman/conman with bold proposals that would benefit the people, even if they weren’t true (as it usual with politics).
The Democrats needed, from the start, a somewhat young, centrist and fierce candidate, that could chew Trump during debates, thus turning Republican voters, but the Democrat leadership is sadly lacking and not getting on with the times. I see news about the GOP and Turning point USA quite often, never good but very visible while from the Democrat side there is just silence, just waiting the Republicans to lose.
The US democratic party is a party of centrists with no goals
That’s just not true. The democratic party is a coalition group with a great variety of goals that don’t form a coherent ideal. You have AOC who’s a either a social democrat saying she’s a democratic socialist or a democratic socialist who’s hiding her true ideals behind policies that advance her goals but are far easier to sell than what she really wants. Then you have obvious fascists who are clearly there only to enable the wealthy. Aside from them you have the people who believe that the democratic process is sacrosanct and above defiance even in the face of someone obviously attempting to subvert it.
Aside from that, on average the Democrats prefer action against climate change, that the rights of minorities be protected, and are less anti-worker than the GOP. These are real differences that matter. There’s no such thing as “centrism” and pretending otherwise is an amazing way to excuse not supporting the largest institution that will lock your worst enemies out of power, even if they don’t do anything.
Furthermore, even if the DNC literally never got anything done (which, to be clear, they have done good things that support workers like favorable rules for Unions)that would be great for us, because it’d mean their feckless ineffectual leadership would give us plenty of room to build parallel institutions, educate, and bring others around to our ways of thinking. When the GOP is in charge that becomes harder and it’s more dangerous for everyone involved.
Now do Worker Rights, Unions and Economic Equality instead of Liberalism.
The democrats still win but once again, lots of strike breaking and missed opportunities to enact drastic improvements.
And I bet that during all that time and unlike on Liberalism, when it comes to Economic Equality and Work vs Capital they kept moving to the Right almost as fast as the Republicans.
Illustrating the theory that the Democrats have not moved to the Right with a graphic about how they moved on Liberalism is like claiming improving harvests of oranges by showing the numbers for apples.
“Where’s the both sides people after an election” lookin’ ass.
First time?
I’ve spent my entire life watching people blame Democrats while letting Republicans literally break the law.
Two entirely different standards. That’s why an anti-democratic felon rapist is our leader. It’s honestly pathetic.
Bingo.
We’ll march right into authoritarianism while blaming Democrats. They can etch “Fuck Democrats” on our non-existent tombstones over our mass graves.
As a Canadian, American voters and the left in particular told democrats to eat shit and go away this past election. They allowed this trump takeover and called democrats fascists. Now you want those same democrats to save you? They’re gonna take a 4 year vacation and watch you people reap what you sowed, while they enjoy their money and vacation homes. It’s absurd that the American left has become so toxic, splintered, and frankly easily played by the right.
American voters and the left in particular told democrats to eat shit and go away this past election
Nope. You’ve got it EXACTLY backwards.
The Left implored the Dem leadership to learn from their past mistakes and listen to their base.
In response, the Dem leadership refused to listen and their apparatchiks everywhere, including on Lemmy, called the Left Trump fans, false flag operatives and a ton of other bullshit.
In response, the Dem leadership refused to listen
They literally replaced their candidate after too many people complained he was too old.
As flawed as Democrats are, they are INFINITELY better than Republicans and yes, the American people told them to go fuck themselves and then brought this situation on ourselves.
You will not get perfection. Adults have to settle sometimes and this is the best example of why that is that I’ve ever witnessed.
They replaced him because he got bulldozed on national television and it became apparent the 25th amendment should have been used in 2023. They had polling that Trump would take 400 electoral votes and waited another month to dump everything on Harris with no warning and all the strings.
If requiring the candidate to be a functional person is “people complaining” then you need to seriously re-examine your standards.
They literally replaced their candidate after
too many people complained he was too old.the owner donors sent their representative Nancy PelosiFixed that for you. The left had been complaining about him being out of touch since the 2020 primaries, but the leadership ignored it. It was only when the rich donors and their spokeswoman turned that he listened.
the American people told them to go fuck themselves and then brought this situation on ourselves.
Still got it backwards. Do you think BIDEN would have won? 2024 Biden? Please tell me you’re not THAT delusional.
You will not get perfection
Being taken seriously and listened to at all ≠ perfection.
Adults have to settle sometimes
Newsflash: politicians are paid to attract voters by representing the will of the people. That’s supposed to be what their job is.
Voters are not paid for voting and often face significant difficulties in doing so. On top of that, they’re not being listened to by the people supposed to represent their interests.
Setting aside for a moment that the alternative is literal fascism and thus objectively much worse, do you REALLY think that it’s the voters that deserve the majority of the blame here, not the ones who failed at their job? Really?
The left had been complaining about him being out of touch since the 2020 primaries
And then he won an election.
Still got it backwards.
Nah bud. In reality American voters told Dems to go fuck themselves and now an anti-democratic felon rapist is our leader and he’s deconstructing our federal government. Want to keep crying about Biden and Dems?
Being taken seriously and listened to at all
How you liking your new president? But hey, at least you get to whine about not being listened to. I’m sure Trump is listening.
Newsflash: politicians are paid to attract voters
Newsflash: Adults sometimes have to make tough decisions and accept they aren’t getting everything they want, but have to adult up anyway and prevent a worst-case-scenario. You know, like the one we’re in now.
Voters are not paid for voting
Nope, but they sure do suffer when they can’t adult up and prevent a worst-case-scenario.
do you REALLY think that it’s the voters that deserve the majority of the blame here
100%. Politicians are politicians. We’re always unhappy with them. It’s the duty of every single individual over 18 in this country to do their research responsibly and make the BEST CHOICE AVAILABLE. Dems aren’t great, but they ran a way better campaign than Republicans. They showed up with receipts showing what they’d accomplished, talked policy, and warned us about the alternative. Republicans showed up with racism, fearmongering, and blatant lies. Americans FAILED and chose them because they were butthurt Dems weren’t as perfect as they wanted them to be and because our populace is generally not very intelligent and refuses to inform themselves responsibly.
Sounds like all you want to do is shift blame from where the brunt of the blame should be directed. And cry about our horrible situation that we 100% could have prevented if we acted responsibly as voters. Again, I’m sure Donald Trump and company are listening to your grievances.
The left had been complaining about him being out of touch since the 2020 primaries
And then he won an election.
Barely. Against a disastrously performing incumbent.
Nah bud. In reality American voters told Dems to go fuck themselves
now an anti-democratic felon rapist is our leader and he’s deconstructing our federal government. Want to keep crying about Biden and Dems?
Since them being absolutely awful at their job is the main reason WHY that happened, yes. I absolutely want to “cry” about their immense incompetence and how your deflection of blame away from them just keeps them from ever having to be any better than “just barely not a fascist”. FUCK that!
a bunch more repetitive and counterfactual nonsense
Fuck this too. I can explain it for you, and I have, but I can’t understand it for you. Have the day you deserve.
“Internet commenters were mean to us so now we’re gonna do what we can to never hold power again” sure is a strategy, if you’re 8.
It’s pretty much the same “argument” structure as the Far-Right’s “I’ve became a Racist because those other people were calling me a Racist”.
You should stop getting your US news from mainstream outlets. You’re just rattling off propaganda.
Focus up during our upcoming elections, because it seems like you fall for social media propaganda easily.
As an American, this is complete horse shit.
