This is the very essence of the difference that should exist between a President and a King. From Federalist 69:
The President of the United States would be liable to be impeached, tried, and, upon conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors, removed from office; and would afterwards be liable to prosecution and punishment in the ordinary course of law. The person of the king of Great Britain is sacred and inviolable; there is no constitutional tribunal to which he is amenable; no punishment to which he can be subjected without involving the crisis of a national revolution. In this delicate and important circumstance of personal responsibility, the President of Confederated America would stand upon no better ground than a governor of New York, and upon worse ground than the governors of Maryland and Delaware.
The failure of the Republican party to support this kind of check on Presidential power is why we’re having this crisis now.
Once again, to no-one’s surprise. Trump loudly claimed he would do this long ago
Choose a felon as President, expect him to commit crimes… enjoy
These are unamerican people.
This isn’t the failure of the Republican party. This is their victory dance.
Dear Americans, where are your protests?
If a judge tried to tell a general how to conduct a military operation, that would be illegal,” Vice President J. D. Vance posted on X yesterday morning. “If a judge tried to command the attorney general in how to use her discretion as a prosecutor, that’s also illegal. Judges aren’t allowed to control the executive’s legitimate power.”
Dude is just underlining scopes. Nothing burger here
Now, Vance was not quite making an unconditional vow to ignore a court order.
He was making no vows. Stating the scope of practice is not illegal in any way
Rather, he was stepping right up to the line.
By explaining who has what scope? Wow stretch much?
Obviously, judges aren’t allowed to control the executive’s legitimate power,
Yes that’s literally the guys point.
but determining whether orders are legitimate is the very question the courts must decide.
Which was never in discussion?
People if you want to freak out about everything be my guest, but if this is what is going to make you flip the fuck out, geez.
The perma stun is real. And it proceeds at pace
Groundwork for a coup by the sounds of it. When the next election is supposed to happen I wonder if he’ll declare martial law due to some invented issue.
Groundwork for a coup by the sounds of it.
GROUNDWORK??!!
Dems and Reps have been planning this for decades. It was only a question of which party got their puppet into control first, while I can’t say for certain, with hindsight available, it looks like GW Bush was meant to be the Reps patsy, heck maybe he was with the patriot act getting signed into law, each step they could take to erode away basic freedoms in the name of security, or environmental protection, they did. This is very important to remember; instead of congress simply making heads of government agencies a job that must be filled by someone with a degree in the field, they eroded away checks and balances and gave the choice of those heads to the president, something that was not intended under the Constitution. I will be the first to admit without the EPA corporations would ABSOLUTELY pollute our rivers, air, and soil to the point life could not be maintained, but it makes no sense to put a career polluter in control when they don’t care about the science so it should have been law a degree is required.
Jesus, shut up. This is not a bOtH SiDeS.
That fucking Lizard Peter Thiel fucking rebooted when asked about the popular support for Luigi. The mother fucker had not thought about what happens when we the people get tired of their shit and unite against them. They’ve spent so much time and money dividing us so they can take it all it never occurred that it might backfire.
That blubbering little weasel. “Y-y-you have to find another way.” I think was the line he used. We tried other ways. Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent revolution inevitable. Luigi showed how to fight back with some effect.
Thiel, Yarvin etc., are all so convinced of their own superiority that any actual challenge to their world view/tactics is completely unexpected. They can only comprehend doing violence to people who won’t do anything about it. They get their rocks off over child murderers, and state sanctioned violence, but cry when the people they want to step on show and ounce of spine. It’s pathetic.
I add the following as evidence of premeditation / conspiracy:
“I think Trump is going to run again in 2024,” he [Vance] said. “I think that what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice: Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people.”
“And when the courts stop you,” he went on, “stand before the country, and say—” he quoted Andrew Jackson, giving a challenge to the entire constitutional order—“the chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.”
This is a description, essentially, of a coup.
“We are in a late republican period,” Vance said later, evoking the common New Right view of America as Rome awaiting its Caesar. “If we’re going to push back against it, we’re going to have to get pretty wild, and pretty far out there, and go in directions that a lot of conservatives right now are uncomfortable with.”
“Indeed,” Murphy said. “Among some of my circle, the phrase ‘extra-constitutional’ has come up quite a bit.”
Historical note: as far as I understand, president Jackson ignored the Supreme Court in a case of Georgia taking Cherokee lands. Since the state also ignored, the court failed to enforce its ruling.
Fuck these bastards
Dictator
But he said he’d only be a dictator for one day! Are you saying that’s not how dictatorships work?!
“For one day” or “from day one”?
He said the first, but meant the second.
Time to use those guns you’ve been hoarding. Wasn’t that the reason you’re even allowed to have them?
The Democrats disarmed themselves.
Nah. That was to support the Russian takeover.
If Thomas Crooks was two inches to the right all of this could have been prevented.
I don’t blame the kid, it wasn’t bad for iron sights under pressure.
The panic firing was a bit of a rookie mistake but he tried.
Are you sure. We would be getting project 2025 with Vance instead. What’s the difference?
Really think they’d have got in without Trump?
Couches would be cheaper?
No, this could have been even worse, because Vance would have been elected in a wave of sympathy.
Crooks happened July 13. Vance was announced running mate July 15. No candidate = no running mate announced.
Also, when the presidential candidate is removed from a race, it does not automatically fall to the their running mate. there is no 25th amendment for election campaigns 🤦
I don’t think so. He has the charisma of a flat tire and it was early enough that any sympathy wave would have lost its momentum by November.
Elon still would have had his lackey hack voting machines
Charisma is not relevant. Do you think Lyndon Johnson had charisma? Do you think that’s why he was elected in 1964? Because people liked him?
Well, he had a pretty big dick, so maybe?
I admit I was not alive at the time, but I’m pretty sure, what with it being the 1960s, that was not the sort of thing the general public was aware of, so I doubt it.
Also, like it or not, Vance was already elected to the Senate and had a bestselling book. Even though you (and I) do not understand it, some people think he has a magnetic personality. Just like they think about Trump, which I also do not understand.
I think they were.
https://short-history.com/lyndon-johnson-penis-nicknamed-jumbo-6eba2f1894fa
Choice quote:
When a journalist asked Johnson to justify the continuation of the Vietnam War (1955-1975), Johnson asked all the women to leave the room, then pulled out his penis, and yelled: “That’s why!”
He also called it Jumbo.
Fun fact: 60s probably had better sex ed than the USA does today too.
Journalists were not the general public. 99% of the country had never personally interacted with him and those things were not reported in the news. They’re after-the-fact anecdotes in books.
I’m also old enough to remember when the press had the collective attitude of “let America think that the president is a good person” regardless of who was in office.
Is it time to petition the military to intervene?
Not yet. Trump saying something horrifying while it not being entirely clear he understands what he’s actually saying or how anything in government is supposed to work is what we call Monday around here.
You don’t want the military intervening they might decide to run things in a manner efficient for the end user instead of the rich people!
Historically, this is not usually the result of the military taking over a country. Usually the general who did the coup becomes the new rich person, thanks to all the political power.
Unless they are a person of integrity. Say for instance George Washington, Nicola wanted him to rule, he said nah bro!
We just need the general who removes tyrant trump to be a man who believes in his oath to defend our nations constitution written by we the people, passed down for generations and defended by the blood of those who came before his tenure. I don’t doubt there is such honor still among those who serve. After all it is their oath to defend our construction from enemy’s both foreign and domestic. Our dictator and chief fits both.
When I was little, long before I had a reason to want it to be true, I had this theory that the Secret Service, which is obviously not a secret, was called that because they had a secret mandate: If the President ever gets really out of pocket and goes for dictator powers, it’s their job to execute him as a traitor.
Anyway, I doubt it’s true, but I’ve been thinking about it a lot lately.
The Praetorian Guard killed some emperors, but that isn’t an official duty of the Secret Service. Of course, it wasn’t an official duty of the Praetorian Guard either.
I feel like the more likely scenario is if someone really wanted to do it, they wouldn’t, but they’d let it happen by inaction if someone else did it.
Oh shit, I didn’t see that shooter.
You just made me hope for a second, you beautiful bastard
i want to do than cross my fingers for this. i wonder what the proper channels really are.
There’s no proper channels for this. Either the military leadership is motivated or they’re not.
how do we motivate them?
My thought: Point out to them that there is no “permanent winner” here in terms of ending violence unless they stop Trump.
The people believing in his agenda are often aimless, and very often extremely violent. See the January 6 rioters, who continued to be aggressive after being pardoned, as well as fringe groups going on the attack now that they think Trump will pardon them. Emboldening them any further may mean years and years of continuing to deal with such violent offenders, AND without the support of experienced FBI staff able to track threats on a national level.
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic
It’s the domestic part we have to concern ourselves with, and thankfully the Joint Chiefs seem to still think he’s an idiotic shitbag
It’s the domestic part we have to concern ourselves with, and thankfully the Joint Chiefs seem to still think he’s an idiotic shitbag
As a veteran, I remain 100% convinced that the Pentagon has and has always had a plan for “a dictator becomes president.” However, also as a veteran I’m sure there is a very specific checklist of things that must be true for that plan to be activated.
As a low ranking veteran I don’t have any better guess than anyone else what things are on that checklist, but I feel sure it exists, and that if we aren’t seeing them mobilize it’s only because it’s an extreme event and the conditions required to execute on that plan are many.
They might think he’s a shitbag, but I bet they’re not unhappy with him. Unless he threatens to cut their spending?
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This is the step where the cart goes over the top of the hill, you’re not coming back if this starts.
Hard to hear, but if goes forward, this does signal that it’s breaking windows time. We all have a Luigi line, start really considering where yours is…
Especially if you’re young, and they are doing this before you have been able to establish your own career or a family of your own, the rest of the world needs your strength and energy in these moments. Make no mistake, they are threatening you directly, they want to sell your future for a small profit added to the pile they are hoarding. Decide how hard you want to fight against that
Especially if you’re older and know that everything you’ve worked for is at risk. Especially if you’re middle aged and your hope of a comfortable old age is being destroyed. Especially if you have family, and know your children’s future depends on it.
I know you mean well but fuck ageism, the youth always fight. They don’t need a pep talk, older people do.
And then there are the rest of us. Not quite young anymore, but we were robbed of the chance to even have anything to anchor us down. We’ve been squeezed out of the housing market nearly our entire adult lives. We never could justify having a child, perhaps because of money, perhaps because our consciences wouldn’t let us, perhaps because of both. We job-hop every few years already, as it’s the only way we’ve ever received a sizable pay raise.
There is no house, no child, and no job for us to worry about losing. I don’t know about y’all, but I’ve been doing little more than fighting to get by for far too long.
I’m ready to fight for something else.
wanna live forever? do something memorable.
You are not alone, my brother.
I’m ready to fight for something else.
Then do it. Talk is cheap.
Heh. I’m middle aged and the only hope of comfort I’ve ever had for my elder years is chemical. I’m what you call an optimist.
