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    By that definision, almost every country is evil.

    You may not like to hear it but that’s how it goes. Name a single country in the world that isn’t rooted in violence or that isn’t governed by corrupted politicians.

    But: Is Ukraine’s conscription to stop a foreign invasion the same evil as russia’s conscription in order to invade and continuingly occupy Ukraine? The invasion that killed a lot of civillians, with the intent to take over Ukraine and expand russian territory by any means necessary. Are they really the same evil?

    You are making an argument that there’s some slavery better than other, ok you slaver…

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      Consciption isn’t the same as slavery.

      Slavery has no benefits to society besides enriching the slave owners.

      Conscription can benefit society by providing enough soldiers to defend a country.

      There are also other forms of state coersion that are no where the same as slavery.

      In many countries, Jury Duty is mandatory, and without a legitimate excuse, you cannot avoid going, or you risk going to jail. Is Jury Duty slavery?

      In some countries, you are required to show up to vote, you don’t have to vote for anyone, you can just submit a blank ballot, but failure to do so can result in fines. Is mandatory voting slavery?

      Taxes are mandatory, in order to fund stuff that benefits society, is taxation theft?

      Let me guess, you’re the type of person to not return a shopping cart because it’s “slavery”. You won’t wear a mask because it’s "tyranny. 🙄

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        Consciption isn’t the same as slavery.

        Sorry but this is very misguided. Conscription means sending people directly in the line of fire under threat of death. In the WWs, conscripts were regularly executed for resisting or going MIA. Conscription is very very very bad.

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        Forced conscription is a form of slavery, especially when enforced with violence. I’m using slavery as an example to make you understand that there’s no condition under which slavery can be good and the same principle applies to forced conscription. Slaves can be used to fight for a country and for “society” but slavery is and will always be wrong.

        In some countries, you are required to show up to vote, you don’t have to vote for anyone, you can just submit a blank ballot, but failure to do so can result in fines. Is mandatory voting slavery?

        Imagine being arrested for not submitting a ballot, is this the society you want to live in?

        Taxes are mandatory, in order to fund stuff that benefits society, is taxation theft?

        Paying taxes in russia that goes into fueling the ukraine invasion is more than simply theft, isn’t it? If you were russian would you happily pay taxes and consider it rightful?

        Let me guess, you’re the type of person to not return a shopping cart because it’s “slavery”. You won’t wear a mask because it’s "tyranny.

        Are you really comparing returning a shopping cart with being conscripted into a war that is estimated to have made a million casualties already?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Ukraine

        “According to an estimate by Ukrainian commanders, 50% to 70% of Ukrainian conscripts are killed or wounded on their first day in combat.”