I mean, I haven’t posted in any of those comms in months. It’s no big loss. But it also demonstrates that stopping my participation on those comms was the right choice to begin with, I think - the instance admins are at odds with what I regard to be basic facts (“Dragons aren’t real”, “Human beings are human beings”).
Not enough that I’m trans-positive, NB-positive, and genderfluid-positive. One must be Dragon-positive.
Not enough that I’m trans-positive, NB-positive, and genderfluid-positive. One must be Dragon-positive.
It seems crazy to me how you can be casually labelled “transphobic” and instance banned for having a perfectly rational discussion about neopronouns on another instance, even though you have consistently not misgendered anyone, including Drag. I guess the “pre-crime” thought police are on the case. It’s not enough that one follows their instance rules, no questioning or discussion of the rules will be tolerated either. Oh well, it’s their loss.
Sometimes I will very pettily ping someone I had a previous disagreement with, if something reminds me of them, or what we argued about. Is that weird?
I don’t think that that’s weird (for arguments it is a bit petty, but I also understand the urge to be petty - ‘It’ll never happen’, huh? READ IT AND WEEP), but calling an admin from another instance and requesting to ban someone who doesn’t go to your instance at all is.
It’s like being the weird guy who calls the cops to report everything their neighbor does.
And in this case, the cops made an arrest because the pile of leaves in the yard were in the shape of a pentagram (displaying intent to Unlawfully Summon, no doubt).
It’s important to consider that misgendering isn’t the only kind of hurt trans people can experience online. Ada explicitly created LBZ to be a comfortable space for all trans people, and part of that includes addressing the agony that is logging in to see yours and other’s validity questioned at every turn.
I agree, Pug is not a transphobe. I think Ada agrees with me too. That’s why the modlog doesn’t show “transphobe,” it says “gatekeeping.” I agree that the users calling Pug a transphobe are taking it too far. Pug is simply a bad ally that refuses to admit trans people might know how they want to be treated and the kind of space they want to exist in.
That’s totally okay! You don’t need to understand. :) The admins are simply asking users not to “take it to the streets,” so to speak, as it can make the whole instance feel more uncomfortable and toxic. They encouraged us to report and block users who were causing issues, which we did, so those users are now banned. This way, we avoided creating unnecessary discourse and potential honeypots for bigotry, which is really the main idea here.
They are getting lumped together because that’s the context of what OP did. OP has received mod action twice, both times for making directed commentary on the validity of another person’s gender (aka disrespecting).
But yeah, I think curbstickle misread your intent–you are both in the right here there’s just some miscommunication, Hopefully this clarifies. :)
“Not understanding” doesnt mean “dont respect them” though.
I don’t get it either, but it costs me absolutely nothing to use a neopronoun or anything else.
If you dont understand, you could either try to understand, or just use someone’s neopronouns and move on. Or not reply at all.
Okay, but as I noted, I used Drag’s pronouns. I don’t remember ever using the wrong pronouns for Drag, though I’m sure a ‘they’ or the like slipped in in some deeply buried comment.
The issue becomes whether gender has any limits for what it means. I objected to both the fantastic and the species. For that reason, on another instance, in a discussion that did not involve Drag or Blahaj admins, I was banned from a bunch of comms that I hadn’t even commented in in months.
I’m so sorry that happened to you.
I mean, I haven’t posted in any of those comms in months. It’s no big loss. But it also demonstrates that stopping my participation on those comms was the right choice to begin with, I think - the instance admins are at odds with what I regard to be basic facts (“Dragons aren’t real”, “Human beings are human beings”).
Not enough that I’m trans-positive, NB-positive, and genderfluid-positive. One must be Dragon-positive.
It seems crazy to me how you can be casually labelled “transphobic” and instance banned for having a perfectly rational discussion about neopronouns on another instance, even though you have consistently not misgendered anyone, including Drag. I guess the “pre-crime” thought police are on the case. It’s not enough that one follows their instance rules, no questioning or discussion of the rules will be tolerated either. Oh well, it’s their loss.
The admin summon was one of the more bizarre parts.
Yeah I agree with you on that count too.
Sometimes I will very pettily ping someone I had a previous disagreement with, if something reminds me of them, or what we argued about. Is that weird?
I don’t think that that’s weird (for arguments it is a bit petty, but I also understand the urge to be petty - ‘It’ll never happen’, huh? READ IT AND WEEP), but calling an admin from another instance and requesting to ban someone who doesn’t go to your instance at all is.
It’s like being the weird guy who calls the cops to report everything their neighbor does.
And in this case, the cops made an arrest because the pile of leaves in the yard were in the shape of a pentagram (displaying intent to Unlawfully Summon, no doubt).
Question, if someone pinged an admin to ban someone for being something dbzer0 doesn’t want/like, would that be a step too far?
You want me to ban Kerfuffled?
Kerfuffled™
I just got banned from blahaj for mistrademarking you, hope you’re happy.
No, just asking as they are my admin.
Why does this feel like a gotcha?
It’s not. If someone pinged you or the admins for violating the instance rules, would that be accepted?
It would be bizarre on the part of the pinger, at the very least.
Fair
It’s important to consider that misgendering isn’t the only kind of hurt trans people can experience online. Ada explicitly created LBZ to be a comfortable space for all trans people, and part of that includes addressing the agony that is logging in to see yours and other’s validity questioned at every turn.
I agree, Pug is not a transphobe. I think Ada agrees with me too. That’s why the modlog doesn’t show “transphobe,” it says “gatekeeping.” I agree that the users calling Pug a transphobe are taking it too far. Pug is simply a bad ally that refuses to admit trans people might know how they want to be treated and the kind of space they want to exist in.
I guess I don’t understand the correlation between being transgendered, and wanting to cosplay a totally different and fantastical species?
That’s totally okay! You don’t need to understand. :) The admins are simply asking users not to “take it to the streets,” so to speak, as it can make the whole instance feel more uncomfortable and toxic. They encouraged us to report and block users who were causing issues, which we did, so those users are now banned. This way, we avoided creating unnecessary discourse and potential honeypots for bigotry, which is really the main idea here.
Or anyone else’s streets, apparently.
Preemptive bans are preemptive bans. Not the first time or server where this has happened, not the last. 👍
Gotta pre-empt someone who’s already left. Very important.
“Not understanding” doesnt mean “dont respect them” though.
I don’t get it either, but it costs me absolutely nothing to use a neopronoun or anything else.
If you dont understand, you could either try to understand, or just use someone’s neopronouns and move on. Or not reply at all.
That wasn’t my question though. Why are they getting lumped together?
It was more of “being a dick for no reason” than a question, and I’m not an expert.
That said, I’d say because their physical body doesn’t match how they feel on the inside. Which is definitely something trans folks experience.
Okay, I can see the overlap with that last part. Thank you for the perspective.
They are getting lumped together because that’s the context of what OP did. OP has received mod action twice, both times for making directed commentary on the validity of another person’s gender (aka disrespecting).
But yeah, I think curbstickle misread your intent–you are both in the right here there’s just some miscommunication, Hopefully this clarifies. :)
Aren’t species and gender two wildly different things? Or am I misunderstanding the larger context?
Okay, but as I noted, I used Drag’s pronouns. I don’t remember ever using the wrong pronouns for Drag, though I’m sure a ‘they’ or the like slipped in in some deeply buried comment.
The issue becomes whether gender has any limits for what it means. I objected to both the fantastic and the species. For that reason, on another instance, in a discussion that did not involve Drag or Blahaj admins, I was banned from a bunch of comms that I hadn’t even commented in in months.
I wasn’t talking about you, I was referring to calling neopronouns “cosplaying”. Its intentionally disrespectful.
You want me to ban myself?
Wesker didn’t mention neopronouns, though?
Yes, you just think I want to “do gender-based harassment” of trans folk.
What does transphobia mean, again?