Source: https://lemmy.world/post/28042458/16386958
Modlog: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?community=32&user=13149502
And maybe an actual functioning instance and user block system
You are using lemmy for free thanks to the work of dessalines among others. You really shouldn’t call him out on developing, if you want something done you are free to do it yourself.
Exactly. Call him out on stupid takes and inconsistent moderation. How he spends his free time is up to him, and it’s up to us if we want to call him out on stupid takes.
Good luck on the functional blocking, they don’t want it to be used against them and know it would be because nobody wants to hear their shit but they require unwilling participants to proselytize to who will also respond mostly negatively and reinforce their victim complex. It’s intentionally like this and always will be. The Mormons/JW actually use a similar tactic with the door to door bullshit, they don’t want to convert you, it’s about what it’s doing psychologically to the church member.
Really rooting for piefed honestly.
Really rooting for piefed honestly.
Problem is that’s it’s not just a question of political leaning, it’s also one of software architecture. Lemmy is written in Rust, Piefed in Python.
I have doubts about the scalability of Python software to user numbers like Lemmy World has.
He derives value off his development through that control he can flex thanks to it, thats why he prob spends the tome developing a social media platform to control one of the large instances.
Not sure if they really even want to develop FOSS.
I mean, PRC, the country they love so much are working on WeChat, a closed source proprietary app. And China is requiring Real-ID verifications, so its clear tankies don’t care about privacy either. Maybe they should work in Tencent, and we should just fork it?
This headline feels belittling of the effort needed in software development. “If dessalines spent just 14 more minutes every day on coding, we would have nearly all the features we want!”
I think he’s spending a lot more than 14 minutes everyday on lemmy
Certainly but the actual problem here is how they enforce their agenda, not the actual time. I don’t like the fact that someone can just tell someone go back to work when they have no right to dictate how they would spend their time. If they spend 12 hours dumb scrolling then that’s their choice, you don’t get to have a say.
Again, the problem is how agenda, not how they choose to spend their time.
I think we have similar amounts of activity levels, and my screen time on this PWA for a day I was entirely on my phone for this was 12 minutes
Just to understand your point here:
Rule 1 only allows links to “real news sources”
The source is the personal blog of an canadian author.
Is your criticism just about the Action they took or in general for taking Action here?
Nah, when it comes to .ml admin removals when they say Rule 1 or Rule 2 they’re not referencing comm rules, they’re referencing instance rules (very rarely will you see an actual mod modding)
Rule 1 is “officially” No bigotry and Rule 2 is “officially” be respectful, however unofficially they use them as catch-alls for any speech they don’t like. Eg speech critical of China, Russia, NK or speech that calls out misinfo or propaganda from those regimes
This post is more evidence of their censorship of speech they don’t like, this comm has plenty of other posts if you’d like to review further evidence of their censorship and the kind of propaganda outlets they allow to further their tankie agenda
The original blog post referenced is known to be a pro-Russia Misinfo spreader, and is covered on another post here
I don’t get it. This is a community Action, executed by a Moderator of the community and, based on the rules of the community and the Post content completely legit.
So, wehre does this proof anything besides an obvious Bias.
This waters done the highly appropriate criticism of .ml
This is a community Action, executed by a Moderator of the community and, based on the rules of the community and the Post content completely legit.
No, this was done by the instance admin for censorship in the name of furthering the political agenda of Russia. They’re not a mod of the comm and the comm did not take this action. Rule 1 referenced in the modlog is not referencing the comm rules, but the instance wide rule of lemmy.ml (even if it was, a blog post is not a “real news source”, but it’s allowed to stay because it further their pro-Russia/pro-Putin agenda)
The blog post is spreading misinformation by an journalist known to do so, the comment that was removed was critical of it.
These are the actual mods of that comm:
Oh boy, I was confused. Sry, mixed up the comment and the post itself …
Nothing said
Why aren’t you developing it then? Whether you agree with their modding decisions or not, it still doesn’t entitle you to their time. He could stop developing Lemmy, delete the repository, and become a carpenter tomorrow and that would be completely fine. Dessalines literally doesn’t owe you anything.
you misunderstood the whole post. It’s not about “why lemmy so slow development dessaline you slave move your ass”
It’s making fun of him spending so much time at propaganda not literally angry at him for not releasing v3 or whatever
I may have to feature your anonymised comment in my post about lots of users seeming very daft in verbal aptitude
I don’t understand how that isn’t the same thing (though I of course agree that it’s not about literally releasing v3). “why lemmy so slow development dessaline stop wasting time using your own product move your ass”
“If dessalines put their personal politics aside and stopped micromanaging their instance to push an agenda, we’d probably be on like v3 of Lemmy by now”
This post directly calls Dessalines out on not working enough on Lemmy and instead focusing on moderating his instance. I say, telling someone else how they should spend their free time is pure entitlement.
You don’t like their modding and their ideology. That is a perfectly reasonable position. Your options are “stop using their instance”, “stop using their software”, or “fork their software and continue developing it without them”. I chose option one and no longer engage with anything on .ml and the likes.
Also, calling me “very daft in verbal aptitude” only debases yourself. Name calling will never convince someone of your position.
You persist being wrong and I couldn’t care less about it
If you didn’t care, you wouldn’t comment. I haven’t read a single convincing argument by you. In fact you haven’t made an argument at all. Instead you immediately resorted to personal attacks.
It’s not my job to enlighten you. Some things are just unfixable
Oh look, another personal attack. 🤷
I prefer to just call it stating the obvious
If you were born with certain deficits how else could it be not personal. Of course you will get angry at me pointing it out
However some people do get certain things and some don’t. It’s an unfortunate fact of life and unfair inequality.
I am sorry for bringing it up though. I should have more tact as someone who doesn’t suffer daily from this puzzling ailment
Being an open source developer does not give you a blank check to spread propaganda and misinformation nor is it appropriate to wield the influence gleaned from having a “developer run flagship instance” to essentially bully other instances to not defederate from you so you can continue to spread you political “ideology”
How viable is donation of open source projects compared to most startups, like I wouldnt be supeised if the reasoning wasnt so altruistic behind most foss apps, a lot of them see it as a more viable way to make money off their skills than trying to sell the service
This has nothing to do with developing, in the thread you are calling him out for not working enough on the software.
None of what you said is in any way related to my comment. Still, FOSS doesn’t give you any say in how the original project is developed. You especially have no say in how these developers spent their time. The developers built something for themselves and released it under a FOSS license in case somebody else finds it useful. You aren’t owed anything. Your words might not even worthy of consideration to them. You can however create your own version of Lemmy. The license grants you these rights.
The developers built something for themselves
I’d just interject here to say they actually took a lot of EU funding to develop it. There were no strings attached, as it should be, but still. I agree with the rest.
They are only getting the money when they implement each set of features.
https://nlnet.nl/commonsfund/background/#organisation
The money for NGI Zero Commons Fund is kindly provided by the European Commission’s DG CNECT
Same thing at https://nlnet.nl/fediversity/background/#organisation .
NGI stands for
Next Generation Internet (NGI), part of European Commission’s Horizon Europe program
Yep NLNet basically turned from an ISP into a quango, specialising in distributing public funds in the FLOSS sector. Money goes practically directly from a decision of the EU Parliament to NLNet (and others) as noone wants the EU Commission to deal with the details and specifics, including the EU Commission itself. Specifics as in “do we allocate money to this or that project, how does that benefit / synergise with the larger infrastructure of codebases, do we file that under ‘supporting base infrastructure’ or ‘develop communication platforms for the civil society’ (as per goals for the funds, set by parliament) and who specifically is going to do the coding and thus get the money”. Quite common model in Europe in general, quangos aren’t as independent as true NGOs as funds always come with asterisks (hence the “quasi-autonomous” before “ngo”) but OTOH, hey, it’s funds. When they give out money it’s overwhelmingly either EU or the Dutch state doing things, or private donations, I don’t think they do corporate “charity”.
