If so, was it polled somewhere?

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    yes, the US is also shit, well done

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      1 year ago

      You said:

      It’s about the levels of freedoms.

      I explain via personal example why the level of freedom is better in China and your response is “yes, the US is also shit.” Well done indeed.

      Can you follow conversations irl, or are you just like this right now because it’s hard for you to have your prejudices shown to be full of shit?

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        1 year ago

        what, were you expecting me to defend the US?

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          Well, let’s just say it wouldn’t have surprised me. But I wasn’t expecting you to just readily concede that the US’s “level of freedom” is no better than that of China. Especially right after you just used that as a reason why China was “bad,” specifically when compared to the US. But if you really are able to see that now, congrats, for real.

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            That’s why I said levels of freedom.

            Is the US freer? Yes, unmistakably, you can criticise officials and you have more expression. But are you safe, will you be cared for? No. Is it as free as most wealthy nations? No, not quite.

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              Ok, well that is something. I think that’s good that you recognize the freedom for the average working class person in China to live as healthy of a life as possible without concern for how much money they have or without concern for becoming homeless (like people constantly do in the US). But that you think that is less free than the US, which is “unmistakably freer” because in China there’s a possibility you could get reprimanded for criticizing the state… well I think that speaks to some really fucked up priorities. But ok.

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                Except the State can take anything and everything away from you whenever they want, which happens in China, quite regularly if you’re an activist. In the US, they can also do this, true, but at the risk of causing mass civil disobedience, rioting, and protesting.

                Fact remains is that these are both deeply flawed countries where it’s wealth over health. In your opinion, what’s a good country we should all strive to be like?

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                  Not according to the people I’ve known from China who have told me that the state almost never does anything like that to individuals (excepting billionaires who used their money to harm people) but will crack down on corporations, and that is just the opposite of what the US does. Look at the founding members of the BLM movement in Ferguson. Murdered. Wasn’t one ruled a suicide who had two shots to the back of their skull with their car set on fire while they were in it? Or Fred Hampton of the Black Panthers who was shot to death in his hotel room bed by cops? I think you have it a little backwards. But yes, both countries are flawed (one much more than the other if you’re just a regular person and not a billionaire).

                  As for your last question, that’s easy. Cuba.

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                    1 year ago

                    Do you have sources for those death claims?

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            1 year ago

            may i do it later? i’m a tired goat, I gotta sleep dude!