I’m a bit concerned about how much my husband has been watching his videos, but he’s a hard man to argue with. I want to understand what it is Joe Rogan is saying, but I don’t want to give the man my viewership. How/where do I get the info I can use to debate my husband?
I get the sense that your concerns aren’t who your husband watches but what your husband’s opinions are.
Instead of debating over what Rogan says, maybe just have a conversation with your husband about your concerns. Express your thoughts on issues important to you and see how that goes. Maybe your husband just likes the drama and doesn’t put much weight into Rogan’s hot takes.
This is good advice! I listened to his podcast for a little while because I was interested in a particular guest and I wanted to hear what the guest had to say, not what Rogan thought. I found a few other guests I liked but I quickly stopped listening because Rogan always makes interviews about his interests and it grew old.
The real answer. Everyone is different, can’t really judge a person’s views by who they watch. I know people that watch a lot of Fox because they want to know what kind of crap they’re spreading.
Behind the Bastards and Some More News have covered him albeit tangentially. Knowledge Fight has covered when Alex Jones has been on Rogan and it really illustrates how dangerously unprepared he is to deal with people like Alex
I dont think anyone can be prepared enough to deal with someone like Alex Jones.
The guy is literally a Warhammer 40k space marine in real life. Well, not physically, but he thinks and talks like one.
You should check out Knowledge Fight. They are the experts. When the Times wants to cover him they call them.
The legal team for one of the Sandy Hook parent’s had one of the hosts testify as an expert witness on Alex Jones.
Not true. Dan acted as a probono advisor to plaintiff’s council in one of the Texas cases. He never testified. He did sit in on a deposition and suggest a few questions and lines of questioning
America’s not even ready for those people.
I agree with many of the other commenters that OP debating their husband might not be the best idea.
But if that’s what they want, “Decoding the gurus” did at least one Rogan specific episode, and I think they do a better job covering and dismantling Rogan’s rhetorical approach than the podcasts above.
I’m listened to Jones on the Joe Rogan show when he was on with Eddie Bravo. It ended up with them getting wasted and spouting some really off the wall shit. Bravo was deep into chem trails. Jones confidently proclaimed that “interdimensional child molesters” were the biggest threat to humanity. If they were trying to get people to believe in that stuff they were doing a terrible job of it. Unless you’re already primed to think that way, it was obvious they weren’t thinking rationally.
Sorta the problem with the joe Rogan podcast is that Joe doesn’t have an agenda, but every guest he has on does. Some folks think that platforming scumbags and allowing them to say awful things isn’t cool, and therefore refuse to go on the show, which means fewer same people and more insane. This then repeats until only insane guests are in the show.
He does have an agenda now, though it’s not a political one. It’s the chasing of those strokes to his ego that his alt-right audience gives him every time he says something they like.
I mean that’s fair. It may not even be ego, might be money. But the point stands either way.
wouldnt be the first time hard right wingers were found out to be only in it for the money. tucker carlson’s leaked texts and emails come to mind. or all of ann culters college law papers that were pretty moderate. grift the rubes, never fails.
he definitely puts his own agenda into his show. like, with COVID, he only invited guests with one opinion. he picked the anecdotes and every part of the show that wasn’t pure interview. he very very clearly and strongly wanted to push that vaccines are bad and COVID is overblown. that was not a guest doing that.
Only segment of his show I ever saw was Bill Burr calling him a Knuckle Scrapper when masks were brought up, lol.
Way to blame the people who don’t want to help platform Nazis.
When has Rogan platformed Nazis?
I don’t know your relationship but you might want to reflect on your desire to debate your husband. This seems like a recipe for disaster. If you’re concerned he might be sliding into a bad rabbit hole maybe you could try exposing him to some contrary view points, that way he doesn’t feel like his loved one is attacking his beliefs.
What? She’s trying to be more informed, to better understand the source material. She isn’t intending to debate him for fun, like a highschool club, but clearly takes issue with some of the topics and acknowledges she does t know enough to competently engage.
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If he’s becoming a Nazi loved ones should attack his beliefs…
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Use https://piped.video to watch his content. It is a privacy respecting alternative front end for YouTube that will strip out ads and such so you don’t give your support to the content creator if you don’t want to. I use it to keep up with Trump stuff without fully supporting those who choose to host him.
neat. i’m always vaguely curious about some of that stuff, but if you watch even 5 minutes of a video about Jordan Peterson you get spammed with OWN THE LIBS videos and nonsense for weeks. it’s to the point where i don’t even bother.
Piped is the service for you then. I have noticed 0 change in the holy algorithm from the things I have watched on Piped, so that must mean that the privacy measures are working.
Mmm but only his older stuff in on YT. He moved to Spotify before covid. Does Piped also scrap Spotify?
I had no idea that he moved—goes to show how much I like Joe Rogan, lol.
Here is a list of alternative front ends for Spotify, some of which block ads so you don’t have to give him ad revenue:
Consider joining a Joe Rogan community or similar. As a lurker, you can learn a lot about whats going on just by listening to how other people react.
The Joe Rogan subreddit has basically turned on him since Covid, and the comments are usually a good source of critique and counter arguments against him and his guests.
One good way to get an understanding is to watch the summary of Joe Rogan that Johnny Harris, a YouTube journalist did.
While it won’t give you a summary of each episode that Joe Rogan does it will give you an unbiased look at what Joe Rogan’s program is all about
Unbiased? Because a journalist is doing it, or how do you figure it’s unbiased?
A fair question.
I view him as unbiased because he doesn’t promote Joe Rogan but also doesn’t dismiss the the good aspects of Joe Rogan. He views Joe Rogan as nuanced as he should.
Johnny Harris didn’t rush to label him Joe Rogan as horrible or great.
Thankyou for those that gave constructive answers and didn’t assume anything about my relationship
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As a man who works with a bunch of guys that listen to him, nothing worth listening to.
That being said, I’m not married to the guys and work and your going to have way more to deal with in his viewership than I do.
You can also read into some of the very easily disprovable professional morons that appear on show. Jordan Peterson is a great example because he’s obviously wrong in a very well researched area.
When it comes to psychology, I think Peterson has a lot of valuable insights.
When it comes to anything else I just wish he would shut his mouth.
That combination of feelings really sums up a lot of Joe’s guests.
I’d just find the comedy special from many years ago where he told his audience that “I’m not an expert in anything except smoking weed. I’m a moron. I don’t know anything. Nobody should listen to me or take me seriously.”
That bit on stage is the first thing I ever think of whenever his name is mentioned these days, since he didn’t even take his own God damn advice.
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen several different clips where he repeats the same “I’m a moron” spiel.
While I have only watched what few clips came my way, I was under the impression that was the entire point of his podcast: Invite interesting* people, then validating them in discussion by agreeing to most of their takes regardless of how bizarre they are so that they freely speak of their topic.
*wherein “interesting” is usually something from the categories of fringe beliefs (often conspiracies), drugs, culturally influential people, or experts on whatever is a big topic for his viewership at the time.
Many of the experts are also those of the fringe belief kind.
Basically, if you take Rogan’s views significantly more seriously than the beliefs of your local meth head, you are doing it wrong.
You can ask him to explain the episodes to you. It might help him reflect on the information and give you something to talk about.
If he’s difficult to “debate” it might be that the format of your conversations are to blame. Sometimes arguing, especially by throwing “facts” and trying to prove someone that their views are wrong, just creates tension and pushback causing the opposite effect. There’s something called Street Epistemology that can help open the door to actual conversations and reflection, instead of antagonistic debating.
https://streetepistemology.com/
If that fails, there’s also the option for couples therapy if you feel like you’re not communicating.
Thanks for linking that.
That shit is a gateway to fascism. Unsurprised to see it repped here, in a post about gateways to fascism. Take a look at their subreddit to see the ideologies they push on full display. Really nice victim blaming that you slipped in, as well. Your husband is impossible to talk to? It’s your fault!
Watch it with him and discuss the video afterwards. No matter how many people sit in front of a screen, it counts as one view.
This. Watching them yourself is really the only way to go. Anyone else you watch to get info on him is highly likely to be either biased towards or against him and will be giving you incorrect information.
Don’t kid yourself, you “giving” him a few views isn’t gonna make any difference, taking a principled stance on it is like peeing in the ocean.
Just watch a few of his videos or listen to some of his podcasts, instead of letting other people give your their viewpoint on him just get your own viewpoint, do it without any bias either… pick an episode that you are interested in pick something you don’t agree with and pick something that could go either way. You might agree with some stuff and not other things but at least you determined that for yourself
I used to listen to his podcast but lost interest plus I’d only listen to the stuff I had any interest in, science and technology stuff. He had some odd views/stuff I didn’t agree with but that’s living in reality you aren’t always gonna agree with people.
Ignore this, OP - this is classic cryptofascist bullshit. “Give it an honest, unbiased chance! I used to like it - but not the Nazi stuff! Which doesn’t exist, btw”
Yeah, Joe Rohan is a fascist. Don’t give him views and don’t believe anyone who talks like this about him, as they are also a fascist.
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If the OP was looking for someone’s opinion on Joe Rogan to argue on the internet with some rando then sure don’t waste your time or energy or give Joe Rogan any clicks (once again he already makes enough money so your principled non click doesn’t mean shit but anyway) but it’s concerning her cuz her husband likes him… so ya maybe go a little above and beyond for your significant other.
I never told OP to give Joe Rogan a chance I said to listen to him to see what her husband likes about him so she can form her own views on him and possibly understand what’s appealing to her husband about him or not, she can listen to him and think he’s a total shitstain… but pretty sure you actually have to listen to people to determine what they are all about… unless you have zero friends I’m not sure how you have met anyone with this amazing line of logic.
OP should ignore jackasses like you who tell her what to think. And because I’ve listened to some Joe Rogan podcasts that makes me a facsist? Lmao get the fuck off the internet for a few hours you are on this shit way too much. Saying that, OP could also ignore what I’m saying too since she can choose to do whatever she wants instead of being a mindless clown that listens to terminally online ass sniffers throwing around words like they are verbal diarrhea…
Johnny Harris has a good video: https://youtu.be/sLaXSvpfDZs?si=ckqeiEdfaknWnBeu
But if you want to debate your husband on what he sees, you’re going to need to get a good idea of the guest. The problem with Joe Rogan is that Rogan does very little pushback as an interviewer.
There was one interview that I watched with Mel Gibson touting a stem cell cure-all treatment being given out in Panama and making claims about it helping to cure anything. That treatment was beginning to undergo Phase 2 FDA trials, which basically meant they were studying to see if it would kill people, not what benefits the drug had.
If you are going to debate, ask for a non-Rogan source to back him up. It will at least get your husband to start fact checking. And if your husband asks why you need a second source, you can tell him that Rogan describes himself as an idiot.
