Not commenting on the actual crisis going on but who cares what the American Jews think? They aren’t in Israel and have never lived a day over there. It’s almost like American Irish giving their opinion of Brexit. Yes we know what is going on is wrong, but the audience voicing their opinion barely has more relevance than the average person. It must be exhausting on boths sides to have foreigners voice their opinions on what is an actual war zone right now.
When a common refrain of pro-Israel propaganda is “All criticism is antisemitism”, you bet your fucking ass that the opinion of American Jews is important.
Literally nobody thinks except actual antisemites who want to mask their hatred of Jews by hiding behind “akchually it’s anti-zionism”. I saw a guy on Instagram defend muslims in Europe literally fucking drawing stars on the houses of Jews as “anti-zionism”. Like no, that’s just straight up nazi shit.
So you saw one dumbass Nazi on the internet, and now you think that’s how anyone who is “anti-zionist” believes? Fuck off with that.
Not only is it completely logically unsound, it’s insulting to people who are capable of understanding nuance.
But no, you? You know this already don’t you? You’re not actually this dumb. Maybe you were even briefed about this exact conversation tree by a superior officer. But I’m not even sure you deserve that benefit of the doubt.
People see through this shit now. It’s not working anymore as a smoke screen for the disgusting war crimes and atrocities committed on the Palestinian people that you aren’t allowed to admit have been happening for 60+ years.
There’s no nuance to antisemitism. You either are or aren’t. The thing is that a lot of antisemites understand that their views, at least in the West aren’t welcomed, and so they hide behind alternatives to push their hatred.
This is a very small sample of antisemitic instances. These aren’t instance of criticizing Israel or Zionism as ideology or Netenyahu or even Judaism as a religion. This is literally straight anti-Jewish hatred.
Maybe, just maybe, the pro-Palestinian/anti-Israeli crowd DOES have actual antisemies who just found another convenient excuse to spread their hate. How can you possibly and deny this is happening when the evidence is right there? You speak of nuance, but fail to see it when it’s in front you.
But I’m sure you know there a lot of groups and individuals who are exploiting the conflict to push their vile views against Jews, you just don’t care.
Nobody cares that you can find racist pieces of shit all over the internet. We all know about these people already. The problem comes when any criticism of the Israeli GOVERNMENT, no matter how valid, is responded to with claims of anti-semitism.
You’re missing the point you absolute idiot. These racist fucks aren’t a bunch of bad apples and they aren’t a small minority, they are at the very least a significant minority if not an outright majority. The problem here is that they use as "it’s not antisemtism, it’s achkually anti-zionism"a shield to outright be antisemtic.
The examples that I showed you are extremely common, in fact they are so common and so widespread that they’re forcing dozens of national government to acts in order to save their Jewish communities. Do you even begin to grasp just how deep rooted this type of behavior is? Every single example that I posted came from the same week and from the same exact google search. Did you notice a theme though? None of them were done by lone wolves and none of them were criticisms of Israel. They were ALL disgusting acts of hate. They straight up targeted and attacked Jews because they were Jews.
…yet you defend them. Every time some muslim or marxist or nazi goes on an antisemitic rampage, you rush in to enable them with this excuse. That’s why these rats feel so comfortable going out and showing their true colors. They know they will be shielded. They know that no matter what they do or hateful they get, they will always have a mob of brainwashed morons with propaganda shoved so far up their ass that they will do anything to justify that Israel is evil, even if it comes at the cost of supporting genuine antisemtism.
The thing is that nobody, and I mean NOBODY has a problem with people criticizing the Israeli government. Nobody is defending Netanyahu or Likud or whatever. You’re free to criticize them and a lot of people do… that’s why this idea that any criticism of the Israeli government gets labeled as antisemitism is entirely bullshit. It is only ever used by actual antisemites to defend their antisemitism. You can deny it all you want but that’s the reality. Every single example that I was defending as anti-zionism. Are you going go full mask and say that is the case too?
You have fun with those incidents of antisemitism? I don’t know where I implied that antisemitism didn’t exist, or how that’s in any way a rebuttal to the assertion I made, but go off, I guess.
Comparing the Jewish diaspora to the American Irish isn’t even apples and oranges, it’s apples and ice cream trucks. They’re not even in the same category.
People with Jewish ancestry are born with a “birthright” to become a citizen of Israel (including the option for dual citizenship, of course). It’s just a completely different and unique situation.
I might have a “birthright” to become a citizen of Israel, but that doesn’t mean that I, as an American Jew, have a strong connection to Israel. It definitely doesn’t mean that I have influence over what Israel does or am somehow responsible for Israel’s actions.
I’ve recently seen people celebrating attacks on a Jewish temple and bakery in America because “they are a symbol of Zionist aggression.” The person was justifying anti-semitic attacks on American Jews because “Israel did X.” I expect this antisemitism from the right, but this was coming from someone on the left. As an American Jew, it’s scary to suddenly face antisemitism for something I have no influence over from both sides of the aisle.
I’ve recently seen people celebrating attacks on a Jewish temple and bakery in America because “they are a symbol of Zionist aggression.
Got a link? Because a lot of those videos have been proven to be disinformation, and videos from years ago completely unrelated to the conflict. One of them was people celebrating after a soccer game.
It was posted by Adam Schiff on Threads. This is one of the replies (with the name crossed out because I don’t want it to seem like I’m doxxing the user):
Calling every temple or Jewish run business in America fair game because they are “a symbol of the Jewish/Zionist state” is definitely anti-semitic.
Not commenting on the actual protest going on but who cares what the random Fedi thinks? They aren’t in the protest and have never participated a minute over there.
This is a social forum. It’s made for comments? You don’t have to care what I think and I’m fine with being wrong, but I hope you aren’t on Lemmy just for an echo chamber.
Wow, so, a public space is appropriate for public comment, like, perhaps a protest is a legitimate expression of opinion?
betz24, I’m about to exercise my freedom of expression on a social forum made for comments, but, your comment (not you, I don’t know you. Big distinction) is very stupid. With high emphasis on both “very” and “stupid”. It also displays an absolute lack of self-awareness which I think would be personally enriching for you to start practicing.
Dusty thanks for the feedback. Clearly a lot of people are upset at the comment I made. As a person with several friends in Israel, I felt this article wasnt doing the people justice.
Not commenting on the actual crisis going on but who cares what the American Jews think? They aren’t in Israel and have never lived a day over there. It’s almost like American Irish giving their opinion of Brexit. Yes we know what is going on is wrong, but the audience voicing their opinion barely has more relevance than the average person. It must be exhausting on boths sides to have foreigners voice their opinions on what is an actual war zone right now.
When a common refrain of pro-Israel propaganda is “All criticism is antisemitism”, you bet your fucking ass that the opinion of American Jews is important.
Similarly, when people assume that because you’re a Jew you must support Israel, it’s also important to make that distinction.
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Literally nobody thinks except actual antisemites who want to mask their hatred of Jews by hiding behind “akchually it’s anti-zionism”. I saw a guy on Instagram defend muslims in Europe literally fucking drawing stars on the houses of Jews as “anti-zionism”. Like no, that’s just straight up nazi shit.
So you saw one dumbass Nazi on the internet, and now you think that’s how anyone who is “anti-zionist” believes? Fuck off with that.
Not only is it completely logically unsound, it’s insulting to people who are capable of understanding nuance.
But no, you? You know this already don’t you? You’re not actually this dumb. Maybe you were even briefed about this exact conversation tree by a superior officer. But I’m not even sure you deserve that benefit of the doubt.
People see through this shit now. It’s not working anymore as a smoke screen for the disgusting war crimes and atrocities committed on the Palestinian people that you aren’t allowed to admit have been happening for 60+ years.
There’s no nuance to antisemitism. You either are or aren’t. The thing is that a lot of antisemites understand that their views, at least in the West aren’t welcomed, and so they hide behind alternatives to push their hatred.
In the past few days we’ve had instances like:
Drawing stars on the homes of Jewish people in Berlin
Jewish schools were forced to close due to harassment and violence in London
Swastikas were being drawn by pro Palestinian crowd at a university in Maine
A Kosher restaurant was vandalized by Hamas supporters in London
There’s has been an increased usage of a site that maps all the Jewish people and institutions in Massachusetts that has been used to intimidate and harass Jews
Stanford professor targeted Jewish students and forced them to stand in a corner for the entire class
Several arrests had to be made in London because Hamas supporters literally wore pictures of the terrorists on the paragliders where they tried portraying them as heroes.
Jewish people in Germany are too scared to leave their home or wear Jewish simples because they’ll get attacked or harassed
Antisemitism in France has risen so much the past few days that Macron is deploying 7000 soldiers to protect Jews
This is a very small sample of antisemitic instances. These aren’t instance of criticizing Israel or Zionism as ideology or Netenyahu or even Judaism as a religion. This is literally straight anti-Jewish hatred.
Maybe, just maybe, the pro-Palestinian/anti-Israeli crowd DOES have actual antisemies who just found another convenient excuse to spread their hate. How can you possibly and deny this is happening when the evidence is right there? You speak of nuance, but fail to see it when it’s in front you.
But I’m sure you know there a lot of groups and individuals who are exploiting the conflict to push their vile views against Jews, you just don’t care.
Nobody cares that you can find racist pieces of shit all over the internet. We all know about these people already. The problem comes when any criticism of the Israeli GOVERNMENT, no matter how valid, is responded to with claims of anti-semitism.
You’re missing the point you absolute idiot. These racist fucks aren’t a bunch of bad apples and they aren’t a small minority, they are at the very least a significant minority if not an outright majority. The problem here is that they use as "it’s not antisemtism, it’s achkually anti-zionism"a shield to outright be antisemtic.
The examples that I showed you are extremely common, in fact they are so common and so widespread that they’re forcing dozens of national government to acts in order to save their Jewish communities. Do you even begin to grasp just how deep rooted this type of behavior is? Every single example that I posted came from the same week and from the same exact google search. Did you notice a theme though? None of them were done by lone wolves and none of them were criticisms of Israel. They were ALL disgusting acts of hate. They straight up targeted and attacked Jews because they were Jews.
…yet you defend them. Every time some muslim or marxist or nazi goes on an antisemitic rampage, you rush in to enable them with this excuse. That’s why these rats feel so comfortable going out and showing their true colors. They know they will be shielded. They know that no matter what they do or hateful they get, they will always have a mob of brainwashed morons with propaganda shoved so far up their ass that they will do anything to justify that Israel is evil, even if it comes at the cost of supporting genuine antisemtism.
The thing is that nobody, and I mean NOBODY has a problem with people criticizing the Israeli government. Nobody is defending Netanyahu or Likud or whatever. You’re free to criticize them and a lot of people do… that’s why this idea that any criticism of the Israeli government gets labeled as antisemitism is entirely bullshit. It is only ever used by actual antisemites to defend their antisemitism. You can deny it all you want but that’s the reality. Every single example that I was defending as anti-zionism. Are you going go full mask and say that is the case too?
You need to get out more.
Cry harder
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/4448816
You have fun with those incidents of antisemitism? I don’t know where I implied that antisemitism didn’t exist, or how that’s in any way a rebuttal to the assertion I made, but go off, I guess.
Read my previous comment
Comparing the Jewish diaspora to the American Irish isn’t even apples and oranges, it’s apples and ice cream trucks. They’re not even in the same category.
People with Jewish ancestry are born with a “birthright” to become a citizen of Israel (including the option for dual citizenship, of course). It’s just a completely different and unique situation.
I might have a “birthright” to become a citizen of Israel, but that doesn’t mean that I, as an American Jew, have a strong connection to Israel. It definitely doesn’t mean that I have influence over what Israel does or am somehow responsible for Israel’s actions.
I’ve recently seen people celebrating attacks on a Jewish temple and bakery in America because “they are a symbol of Zionist aggression.” The person was justifying anti-semitic attacks on American Jews because “Israel did X.” I expect this antisemitism from the right, but this was coming from someone on the left. As an American Jew, it’s scary to suddenly face antisemitism for something I have no influence over from both sides of the aisle.
Got a link? Because a lot of those videos have been proven to be disinformation, and videos from years ago completely unrelated to the conflict. One of them was people celebrating after a soccer game.
Here’s the article: https://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/crime/glass-smashed-at-jewish-temple-jewish-owned-bakery-in-fresno/
It was posted by Adam Schiff on Threads. This is one of the replies (with the name crossed out because I don’t want it to seem like I’m doxxing the user):
Calling every temple or Jewish run business in America fair game because they are “a symbol of the Jewish/Zionist state” is definitely anti-semitic.
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antisemitism blackmail is finished.
Not commenting on the actual protest going on but who cares what the random Fedi thinks? They aren’t in the protest and have never participated a minute over there.
This is a social forum. It’s made for comments? You don’t have to care what I think and I’m fine with being wrong, but I hope you aren’t on Lemmy just for an echo chamber.
Wow, so, a public space is appropriate for public comment, like, perhaps a protest is a legitimate expression of opinion?
betz24, I’m about to exercise my freedom of expression on a social forum made for comments, but, your comment (not you, I don’t know you. Big distinction) is very stupid. With high emphasis on both “very” and “stupid”. It also displays an absolute lack of self-awareness which I think would be personally enriching for you to start practicing.
Dusty thanks for the feedback. Clearly a lot of people are upset at the comment I made. As a person with several friends in Israel, I felt this article wasnt doing the people justice.
You know that Ireland is not a part of the UK, right?
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