Hi im new here, cause im trans, also a bit into leftism (I like the red vibe and hate capitalism) but not committed mostly because im new to politics in general. This is a burner because the whole subject seems very heated and I don’t want my main account banned.
so it was very surprising to me to see commies just… argue? Marxist Leninist, tankie, whatever, just seem to be like other commies, but ya’ll just hate them? I mean didn’t commies like the soviet union? I get China because of the weird capitalism its got, but I thought the soviets were like ya’lls trump card? I mean what else do ya’ll have? I mean I know it had baddies, but I thought ya’ll had like different views on it? I mean there was so much going on they at least have to had done something.
Like apparently the lemmy developers are ‘tankies’, but who cares? They built the thing, and it seems like they’ve just let us do whatever we want, nothing bad right?
It all just seems like different methods. being anarchist is fine (I don’t know what you do at all but it seems like you’re around at least), but being a ‘tankie’ makes you a fascist? Im just very very confused. Didn’t the USSR fight Nazis? I’m not giving them a kiss or anything but they killed quite a lot of Nazis, isn’t that at least kinda good?
I only recently found out that commies even had like different ideologies. I want to get into leftism, but it seems to be about the same as if I just stayed out of it, everyone is spending all the time fighting people, but I thought your whole thing was fight the man, not fight other commies?
And then I see leftists just lackluster in their critiques of America? I mean, anyone knows america hates commies, all of em, beat yall in '91 (honestly suprised yall still here). Now its ‘america is a flawed democracy’ and ‘bad nato but only when they do things’. I thought ya’ll at least had strong opinions? Why can’t you just hate america, thought that was yalls thing?
Its very silly to try to adopt revolutionary things and then like… limp dick it. Like, NATO is a capitalist alliance, shouldn’t commies hate that? Seems very straightforward. I mean I know Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is very bad, but does that mean defending a capitalist state? Yall spend a lot of time arguing for NATO against these tankies (while I don’t understand their position, it seems to at least be in that ‘fuck the US’ thing I thought yall did). Although I see the whole thing as too much for me to understand, some of yall do sort of agree with NATO bad too, but somehow its good for them to fight another capitalist? How’s that doing anything for ya?
Its all very confusing
I admit I care little for yalls squabbles, yall seem to care an awful lot about footnotes in history when the future looks like a big chance. Like I dont know what the hell happened in the Spain civil war, but how does that like change anything? Nobody sides yall commies seem to care about it period. Don’t yall hate capitalism, why then do yall spend half the time getting angry at other commies?
Its very silly in my view, and again very counterproductive
Its souring to get into communism and hear that apparently all the big dudes and big things in it are bags of shit, and I should read a bunch of small guys that only yall seem to know. Like Marx is BIG, but apparently he’s bad now? Like I know its older, but isn’t capitalism? Doesn’t seemed to have changed very much, but the products sure have, but the system is still big guy owns thing, exploits worker, hoards wealth, an that sorta thing. He’s like the floorboards, but now he isn’t? Did yall convene after the 90s and hit a reset on the whole thing? Starting from scratch?
I wanted to ask them their opinions, but they seem a little scary, so Ill talk to yall first. I just wants some clarifications about this issue.
Tankies are fascists dressed in red. Idiots who see Stalin’s SSSR and Pooh Bear’s China, and lately, Swollen Baldy’s Russia as utopias and human rights violations, systemic oppression, genocide, torture and rape of ethnic groups, as necessary acts to be celebrated. The term originates from the famous Tiananmen Square photo of the guy standing in front of tanks – tankies would be the people in the tanks.
Tankies are so far off the deep end that it’s impossible to reason with them. The only thing you can do is excise them.
That’s why we do not tolerate tankies.
Dayum I didn’t know that. That seems to be weird, russia aint commie no more. But is being a really mean commie the same as a fash? And rape? I get the rest tho
now I saw another comment that it was from that hungary thing or something, but its from this too?
Now this is what I run into every time, isn’t that the same thing you get angry at tankies for? Like ruling everyone else as bad and eliminating them for the revolution?
I never said they were communists. They are simply fascists who think they’re communists, or that their values align with communism. That’s why I’ve included present-day Russia. And yes, murder, rape, and pillage is exactly what the Russian invaders are doing to Ukrainians, and what the Chinese government’s military is doing to Uyghurs.
I guess that’s also fitting. It was the failed revolution of 1956 october 23rd, when organized rebels almost toppled the communist government in Budapest, but soviet tanks arrived and drove them back. It’s not nearly as well-known as Tiananmen Square, though.
This is what really pisses me off. You haven’t lived the reality that tankies want to restore and propagate. My great-grandfather fought against them and lost. My grandparents and parents lived under Stalinist rule. I was lucky enough to be born after its collapse.
Tankies are not an ethnicity, religion, or nationality. Nobody’s born a tankie, they pick up stupid and dangerous ideas that get reinforced in their online echo chamber, but without the reality check of having to live in the world they want to create.
Ah I see, more of a follow the flag type you say? Shame, I wanted to see if any of those big guns were still around.
Yeah, its all good, just sayin bout where I heard it.
now wait a second
unless he fought in vietnam and korea, I don’t think they were fighting for us. Soviets were brutal bad guys, but they only fought one war that long ago, and if your grandfather fought against them in it Im sorry but I think he should have followed his leader. The nazis aren’t good guys, you can’t criticize communism as fascism and then talk about your grand dad who fought for fascism
unless there was some other war more than 40 years ago that the soviets fought against someone and won.
I mean that just sounds like a red dont it, that last sentence?
He fought in world war 2 against the enemy that had attacked his country, which happened to be the enemy of the Axis Powers. If you think the complex geopolitical situation of '40s Europe can be resolved by “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” or other reductionisms, you are beyond help.