Hi im new here, cause im trans, also a bit into leftism (I like the red vibe and hate capitalism) but not committed mostly because im new to politics in general. This is a burner because the whole subject seems very heated and I don’t want my main account banned.
so it was very surprising to me to see commies just… argue? Marxist Leninist, tankie, whatever, just seem to be like other commies, but ya’ll just hate them? I mean didn’t commies like the soviet union? I get China because of the weird capitalism its got, but I thought the soviets were like ya’lls trump card? I mean what else do ya’ll have? I mean I know it had baddies, but I thought ya’ll had like different views on it? I mean there was so much going on they at least have to had done something.
Like apparently the lemmy developers are ‘tankies’, but who cares? They built the thing, and it seems like they’ve just let us do whatever we want, nothing bad right?
It all just seems like different methods. being anarchist is fine (I don’t know what you do at all but it seems like you’re around at least), but being a ‘tankie’ makes you a fascist? Im just very very confused. Didn’t the USSR fight Nazis? I’m not giving them a kiss or anything but they killed quite a lot of Nazis, isn’t that at least kinda good?
I only recently found out that commies even had like different ideologies. I want to get into leftism, but it seems to be about the same as if I just stayed out of it, everyone is spending all the time fighting people, but I thought your whole thing was fight the man, not fight other commies?
And then I see leftists just lackluster in their critiques of America? I mean, anyone knows america hates commies, all of em, beat yall in '91 (honestly suprised yall still here). Now its ‘america is a flawed democracy’ and ‘bad nato but only when they do things’. I thought ya’ll at least had strong opinions? Why can’t you just hate america, thought that was yalls thing?
Its very silly to try to adopt revolutionary things and then like… limp dick it. Like, NATO is a capitalist alliance, shouldn’t commies hate that? Seems very straightforward. I mean I know Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is very bad, but does that mean defending a capitalist state? Yall spend a lot of time arguing for NATO against these tankies (while I don’t understand their position, it seems to at least be in that ‘fuck the US’ thing I thought yall did). Although I see the whole thing as too much for me to understand, some of yall do sort of agree with NATO bad too, but somehow its good for them to fight another capitalist? How’s that doing anything for ya?
Its all very confusing
I admit I care little for yalls squabbles, yall seem to care an awful lot about footnotes in history when the future looks like a big chance. Like I dont know what the hell happened in the Spain civil war, but how does that like change anything? Nobody sides yall commies seem to care about it period. Don’t yall hate capitalism, why then do yall spend half the time getting angry at other commies?
Its very silly in my view, and again very counterproductive
Its souring to get into communism and hear that apparently all the big dudes and big things in it are bags of shit, and I should read a bunch of small guys that only yall seem to know. Like Marx is BIG, but apparently he’s bad now? Like I know its older, but isn’t capitalism? Doesn’t seemed to have changed very much, but the products sure have, but the system is still big guy owns thing, exploits worker, hoards wealth, an that sorta thing. He’s like the floorboards, but now he isn’t? Did yall convene after the 90s and hit a reset on the whole thing? Starting from scratch?
I wanted to ask them their opinions, but they seem a little scary, so Ill talk to yall first. I just wants some clarifications about this issue.
I will try to make it easy to understand:
The Soviet Union and later Russia and China excel at the making people suffer part. But tankies seem to ignore or flat out deny that.
The USA isn’t much better. See their prison system or healthcare.
I think the most successful countries are Norway and Iceland. But they have a free market so they might be called capitalist. But it’s heavily regulated and they have very good social security services. But that might be called socialist or communist. In Germany we call it social market economy.
I hold it like Obi-Wan Kenobi: Only a Sith deals in absolutes. Look beyond labels and see what is actually working the best for everyone.
Not to nitpick but did you just say china and russia are bad because they make people suffer, then say never to deal in absolutes?
Norway and Iceland are alright, i’ve got a girl who wants to go to iceland actually. Very pretty. But aren’t those not commie? like I know having that cheap housin and good unions is a commie thing, but they don’t exactly got the bigwigs out don’t they? Isn’t that the whole point?
Social market seems to be what china has too, but their economy is bad (governments aside I think we both know the difference between those two in decision making). I guess I can see, but I guess I thought there was more to it.
Absolutes in the sense of “they’re communist, they can’t be bad”. Ends don’t justify the means. America isn’t good because it’s “free” and “capitalist”. Russia isn’t good because it’s “strong” and “communist”.
People are assholes. Especially when they get the power to be assholes. A dogmatic easy system alone will not prevent that. This is a hard problem going all throughout human history.
You should read Animal Farm. It tackles the topic quite well.
I mean yeah thats a way to look at it, just think that seems too easy to see
isn’t that a childrens novel? I mean
It’s not a children’s novel. And something doesn’t have to be “for adults” to be insightful.
I mean my names from a lesbian ship from the show She-Ra, but I aint using that as a lense to view billions of people and an economic system through. I meant like book books or somethin
You should read about what communists do to homosexuals. You will learn something.
I mean I just heard that cuba was being all nice from another comment here
but just to be fair to your argument, I don’t think anybody is nice to gays. Like name another country nice to gays at the same time. Seems like more of a world homophobia issue than branding all reds one forever.