Nine progressive Democrats voted nay:
- Jamaal Bowman
- Andre Carson
- Cori Bush
- Al Green
- Summer Lee
- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
- Ilhan Omar
- Delia Ramirez
- Rashida Talib
They were joined by one Republican, Thomas Massie.
Six Democrats voted present on the resolution: Greg Casar, Joaquin Castro, Nydia Velázquez, Ayanna Pressley, Chuy Garcia and Pramila Jayapal.
Fuck Israel.
Fuck Hamas though. Aiming for and killing civilians in hundreds is not a good thing.
Hamas exists because Israel have been oppressing Palestine for so long. It doesn’t mean they’re “the good guys”, just a reaction to violent oppression but with more violence.
That’s not why Hamas exists lmao. Who do you think they are, some sort of noble freedom fighters?
I’m not sure how you arrived at “noble freedom fighters” from what I said. The evidence is clear that they aren’t. Hamas has existed for almost as long as this conflict has and formed when Palestinian protests were met with violence. Hamas’s solution is to use violence against Israel which makes Israel respond with more violence. At the centre of all this are Palestinians who remain oppressed and now are in the crossfire.
The evidence is clear that they aren’t. Hamas has existed for almost as long as this conflict has
I mean not really; they were formed in the 80s.
As time goes on it gets closer and closer to existing as long as the conflict has. We’re over the half way mark here
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You also forget to add that one of the main goals as denoted I the original Hamas charter is destruction of Israel. They are fighting for extermination of the Israel, while Israel is fighting for its security and the right to exist.
A settler colony founded on ethnic cleansing has no right to exist
Sure, that explains why United Nation overwhelmingly voted for formation of the state of Israel.
Israel is fighting for it’s right to exist? What a deliriously stupid fucking statement, holy shit.
Thank you for not contributing into discussion, not presenting any argument.
Lol! You can’t “exterminate” a state, genius. It’s a state. You remember what those are?
Well, tell that to Hamas.
Israel is a colonial project that invaded Palestine. It has no right to exist.
This argument is 70 years old. And United nation disagrees by voting FOR formation of the state of Israel back then.
Israel bombed a refugee camp this week killing the entire family down to the grandchildren of a journalist it did not like. Hamas are bad guys doing bad shit no doubt about it, Israel are the bad guys though, it’s through their actions that all of this has come. They have displaced and systematically culled an entire people.
I’m not defending what Hamas did, but when your corner people and inch closer and closer to them, applying pressure and pressing down your boot you do not get to be surprised when they lash out.
Israel failed it’s people.
It is possible for a story to have two sets of bad guys.
Only one of them is attempting to eradicate the other and receiving support from western countries, up to and including military aid.
No, both of them are attempting to eradicate the other. It’s very true there’s a massive power disparity, and obviously Israel gets a huge amount of western support. Let’s not fool ourselves though: if Hamas had the power to genocide every Jew in Israel, they would.
DISCLAIMER BEFORE SOMEONE TRIES TO MISINTERPRET ME: Hamas only represents a small number of Palestinians, and the PLO has been entirely peaceful since the 90s. This in no way justifies Israel’s response.
That disclaimer is doing a lot to be fair, it is the legitimate government with the people’s support committing these atrocities while it is a terrorist organisation that seized control in Palestine that is doing it on the other side. While I’m not naive enough to think there is no support from eithers population it is the case that this situation has been pushed on Palestinians whereas Israel have opted for it.
For context, the numbers I’ve seen suggest it’s around 57% of Gazans have at least a “somewhat positive” view of Hamas. However, 62% of Gazans supported Hamas maintaining the ceasefire (ofc this was before the attack).
The crazy part is, that had Israel had a calm and measured approach, using targeted munitions on confirmed targets only, minimizing civilian casualties, kept the food+water+electricity flowing during the military action, and kept firm rule of law vs settler reprisal attacks in the west bank, they would have moved the needle on Hamas support.
Now they’ve all but guaranteed the radicalization of a new wave of terrorists for the foreseeable future. This unjustified violence is truly self-defeating.
Sure but after this resolves, you’ll happily go back to ignoring Israel’s daily crimes against Palestinians and just wait until Hamas does something else to start complaining again
Hamas is blowback for Israel’s insane policy of keeping people on reservations, denying them freedom and controlling all basic necessities and.
Israel is a fascist apartheid state 365 days a year
Me? No. I have always criticized Israel for what it was doing, but as long as “destroy Israel” attitude exists in Palestine, quite a few things were justified.
And if Hamas were to disappear tomorrow who will oppose the Israelis?
You?
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Screw Israel government. Screw Hamas. Screw West Bank illegal settlements. Screw Netanyahu.
Support the civilians of Israel and Palestine.
Not that hard to take this stance.
Exactly.
The US stands with Israel even after it attacks our own ships.
I can’t find this, care to provide source?
Wikipedia: USS Liberty incident
The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship (spy ship), USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats, on 8 June 1967, during the Six-Day War.
Does fact downvoting pay well? Because I’m looking for a new side hussle.
So that seems like an obvious accident. I see absolutely no advantage for Israel to attack US ships, so the logical explanation is that it was a case of mistaken identity.
^ protip: for anyone who doesn’t already know, this is a neo nazi talking point. welcome to the fediverse motherfucker.
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
The US attacked their own ships too so…
Absolutely disgusting. They’ll hand wring about Xinjiang in one sentence and then do this in the next.
Well … it didn’t take them long after choosing a speaker, that’s good? I think?
Also, did this surprise anyone?
all palestinian violence against israel is self-defense.
Well, nobody certainly didn’t see that coming.
Good job Massie, these kinds of resolutions are stupid, so good on you for standing up to your party.
We should instead be standing by the victims and looking for a way to end the conflict, not picking sides.
I’d prefer both sides to win. Palestine gets Israeli and international recognition as an independent state and is not ruled by Hamas or any other antisemitic group.
It’s wild reading things like Biden telling Israel to not commit genocide yet because he wants time to make sure US can prepare for a war with Lebanon and Iran in case they intervene. It’s like telling Hannibal Lecter not to eat someone because you have to run to the store to buy salt.
Voting present is some chicken shit nonsense
Hey, fire alarm puller is on the list of nays. Brilliant
Really surprised we didn’t side with Hamas this time.
Why? Support for the Genocidal state of Israel has been a bipartisan position since before you were born. Is this just some knee-jerk world-view of politics that you’ve crafted from Marvel movies where the “bad guys” do only “bad” things but the good guys do only good things, like unconditionally support genocidal states?
This is god-tier sarcasm
My Man Massie, the great Triggerer of the Libs.
