Antisemitic incidents in the United States rose by about 400% in slightly over two weeks since war broke out in the Middle East after Palestinian Islamist group Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7, advocacy group Anti-Defamation League (ADL) said Wednesday. Read more at straitstimes.com.
Curious how that compares to the rise in anti-Muslim hate incidents.
Let me guess, they define antisemitism as anything outside of fully supporting Israel’s genocide?
+1 I guess.
Kinda.
Among examples cited by ADL were alleged physical assault; violent online messages, especially on messaging platform Telegram; and rallies where “ADL found explicit or strong implicit support for Hamas and/or violence against Jews in Israel.”
I guess if you’re going to count every rally protesting the siege of Gaza as “implicit support for Hamas”, the spike would correlate pretty closely with… you know, the siege of Gaza.
But I do not doubt that genuine attacks are also on the rise. This issue is assholes all the way down, honestly.
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Agreed. There are no good guys here.
There’s a lot of innocent people involved… they may not be bad guys?
But yeah. None of the belligerents and their supports are good.
An insane stat I came to learn is that majority of population in Gaza is under the age of 18. Lot of innocent seems like an understatement.
I think… I don’t want to live in this world anymore. anyone wanna join me on the moon?
maybe we can get it right if we keep the numbers small?
I’m going to be very blunt here and repeat something that was once said to me regarding the Palestinians: “They breed like animals.”
As racist and dehumanizing as that is, I’m repeating it because it’s an explanation for why a single state solution (absorbing the Palestinian population and granting them Israeli citizenship) is never going to be an option. If Arab citizens outnumber Jews, Israel would cease to be a Jewish state.
That means that any solution acceptable to Israel must require that the Palestinians either eke out a living on their designated reservations and shut the fuck up, or leave. A third option involving partial integration might look like apartheid South Africa in the 1980s, but that probably looks like a ‘slippery slope’ given how that situation in SA turned out.
As long as I’m repeating nasty things people have told me, I’ll repeat something else that seems analogous to me. A coworker who was a Hungarian immigrant to North America once explained to me that in the 1930s Hungary repeatedly asked their Jewish population (nicely) to get the fuck out of their country. By her account, the Hungarians didn’t care where they went. They didn’t even want anything bad to happen to the Jews. They simply didn’t want them there and they gave them ample opportunity to go away on their own. Again, by her account.
It was a terrible dilemma until the Germans came in and solved their problem. She said it was a great thing that the Germans did for her country.
That was the day I learned I was carpooling with a fucking Nazi. In Canada. In 2004. Those were more innocent days for me.
It’s funny you say that the palestinians breed like animals. Yet that’s the same phrase I’ve heard regarding the Jewish. “Be fruitful and multiply” is literally the first command/mitzvah of the Torah. A local Rabbi that I know has 10 children and he’s in his early 30s! To which he believes he’s faithfully upholding the commands.
I think all humans have same desire when it comes to breeding. I don’t think the core instinct that made humans over such long period of time in evolution is going to particularly differ based on last few thousand years of separation. They will make more kids when they feel that the conditions seem favorable to have more kids, combined with the social constructs in which you are surrounded by. For example, during covid, birth rates declined because people were increasingly uncertain about the future. And even within Jewish subset, we can see that orthodox Jewish have nearly double the amount of kids versus non-orthodox. Use and availability of contraception also obviously plays a huge role, and if they were not available in the west, I think the west’s population would be ever increasing as well.
Palestinians likely lack access to contraception, and therefore, will have higher rate of birth rate than Israelis who do have access to contraception.
So I do not quite agree with your original premise of why unification of the states is not a great forecast. But I still do agree that the idea of unification is pretty much screwed. There’s far too much hate and strife between them at this point. I believe every such scenarios of the past ended in one way: extreme violence. If it ever gets to the stage of ethnic cleansing, certainly Israel will win with the overwhelming superiority in military power. But we’re stuck despite that because the world is watching which prevents Israel from doing just that. We’re at a unique impasse with no solutions.
It’s possible legitimate attacks are on the rise but how is this group able to track them with such precision to know of every event occurring on a daily basis across the country/world?
They don’t have to. They certainly sample, just like any other group. It is also how the SPLC tracks rises in hate activities.
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oof, that is a cringeworthy “ackchually” take, bro.
While jews and arabs are both semitic, the term Anti-Semitic was specifically coined as part of anti-Jewish campaigns in Germany in an attempt to give scientific-sounding credibility to their bigotry. Nobody actually uses “anti-semitic” to mean anti-arabic. Get real.
Given the shit they’re counting as “antisemitism” it’s surprising this number isn’t higher.
They’re definitely turning into the boy who cried wolf here.
What scares me is that, people are going to stop paying attention and dismissing actual antisemitism and hate crimes.
Yeah I can’t even look at that word without asking myself ‘well whose definition are you using?’ It’s alreay a deflated term, too much more and it will mean about as much as the word ‘woke’ does these days.
What scares me is that, people are going to stop paying attention and dismissing actual antisemitism and hate crimes.
Israel is probably more concerned with moving it’s ethnic cleansing of Gaza/West Bank forward than protecting Jewish people in the USA.
Hell, the Islraeli government doesn’t seem too concerned about protecting Jewish folks in Israel.
Turning into?
yeah. Used to be way less likely people would actually notice. You could sneak in a “maybe we shouldn’t be so blind to what’s going on” kind of argument edgewise. now the ADL has trolls out on social media pushing their narrative. well. maybe it’s not the ADL, per se.
It’s akin to US politicians passing some draconian/authoritarian law “for the children” and then accusing anyone who speaks against it as someone who hates children, is a predator, or someone who supports child trafficking. Like them uttering their magic phrase suddenly makes any opposition indefensible.
One thing I’ve learned in the last two weeks is just what a dishonest actor the ADL is. They have almost no credibility as far as I’m concerned anymore. What a disservice to Jewish people.
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Islamophobia remains unchanged because that stat was maxed out years ago
Oh Jesus I shouldn’t laugh but goddamn.
You’re right.
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Do you need directions back to the conversation?
ADL
Aaaaaaaaand disqualified.
Literally anything even kinda not zionist is anti-semitic to those psychopaths.
Gimme a stat that doesn’t include any time a college student so much as thought that the nakba was a dick move.
They literally got a Palestinian advocacy group at my uni shut down. Those students were advocating for peaceful protests.
Eli Valley made a great comic on the threat of Israel to Judaism. One of the most important Jewish anti-zionists of our time.
I can believe it. A lot of hate against Jews around.
Yeah, they’re counting anything that says they aren’t justified in killing Palestinian children.
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Honestly it’s surprisingly little.
It’s also counting shit like protests against Israel. The ADL is a Zionist organization through and through, so they shouldn’t be considered a reliable source on this.
In my country, the most leftist of leftists started targeting and harassing Jewish businesses with pro-palestine propaganda
If that ain’t the most fascistic thing an “anti-fascist” has ever done, I don’t know what it is
Which country is?
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It should be a crime to not punch a nazi.
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And where do you legally put the line?
I don’t. I don’t make laws.
Neither does the ADL for that matter.
But generally, it’s understood that
Antisemitism is hostility to, prejudice towards, or discrimination against Jews.
Criticism of the Israeli government is not antisemitism. The Israeli government is not a race anymore than Hamas is.
However… if you need a specific “line” because you’re an asshole, in the us, the “legal line”… is pretty easy to find. the FBI defines a hate crime as:
The UCR Program defines hate crime as a committed criminal offense which is motivated, in whole or in part, by the offender’s bias(es) against a:
race religion disability sexual orientation ethnicity gender gender identity
Seems pretty easy to say “don’t commit hate crimes against Jews”, right? Or, any one else for that matter.
Nazis are not a race either. They are generally the ones pushing hate crimes, though, and yes, I can have me feeling that punching a Nazis is a good thing while recognizing it’s also assault.
As for whose a Nazi… when they admit to it, or do and say things that are blatantly Nazi-things. Interesting, that Einstein and other jews called Herut (political party that came from the Irgun paramilitary group during the Palestine Mandate) a bunch of Nazis. (This is why I added the antisemitism stuff and hate crime stuff at the start.)
Well, buzzwords are a thing, and that’s the danger
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Oh, guess you can just claim everyone you dislike supports it and beat them up
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Nazis didn’t do it for religion either
Like, they didn’t care if you left Judaism, you’d still be a Jew to them
“They didn’t do it for religion” but “you’re still a Jew to them?” Is Judaism a religion or is it not?
Yes Judaism is a religion but being “Jewish” isn’t. It’s an ethno-religion. There are actually quite a few atheist Jews in the world.
Being Jewish doesn’t actually necessitate you practicing Judaism. You can actually take a DNA test and prove if you are Jewish, but no DNA test can prove if you go to Temple.
So to answer you question. Yes and no, depending on what you’re asking.
It wasn’t for them, as I fucking said you moron
Can’t you fucking read?
Sorry I guess I don’t speak Nazism well enough to understand your comment.
Punching a Zionist for murdering babies isn’t any more antisemetic than punching a Nazi is a crime.
So it is antisemitic? Because I’m pretty sure punching a Nazi is a crime absolutely everywhere.
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This coming from someone who thinks “pronoun usage is BS,” who thinks American natives are “white people cosplaying” and thinks Mexican natives don’t exist and are all of Spanish decent.
My “shit fascists say” detector is off the charts right now.
Holy shit how low must your reading comprehension skills or how twisted must your mind be to understand that
If I’m twisted for “understanding that” what does that make you for saying these things in the first place?
No, you’re twisted for distorting my comments
You’re doing great buddy, keep it up
If your objective is to be as annoying as a pimple in the ass you’re doing great
Why call them leftist at that point?
Idk, but something something horseshoe “theory”(keeps getting more factual)
Not even close. Try and compare anarchism to fascism - you can’t.
Both end up having gangs of thugs beating up dissenters
Nope. Anarchism has nothing to “dissent” to - no authority, no hierarchy, no state. Please read more before speaking on things of which you have no understanding.
Anarchism literally has the most dissenters, as the vast majority of humans want some form of state
Got a source for the idea that most people like to be stepped on? I myself believe most people have more self respect than wanting to be ruled.
Aside from the English. We seem to have a serious dom fetish.
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Yes, that’s a direct consequence of capitalism. That’s why it’s happening in every capitalist country on earth.
Practicing what they’re preaching hasn’t ever really been their strength
What do you mean by “they”? Leftists?
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lmao
