Please don’t give the idiots a soap box. Supporting Palestinian right to life and territory doesn’t mean you support the destruction of Jews or Israel.
Believe it or not, people can come together in peace when old racist rich fucks that want power, land, and money stay out of it.
I don’t think burying this and pretending it didn’t happen is helpful when Jews around the world are telling us right now that they are terrified and under attack
I think it does need to be acknowledged that there is a faction of people that absolutely do support the destruction of Israel and Jews. Hamas was elected, it should be remembered.
That absolutely does not mean that support for Palestinian statehood requires you to be opposed to Israel’s existence, but advocates for peace should be very clear that this kind of rhetoric is absolutely not tolerated. And conversely, advocates for Israel must absolutely reject the people that would support the complete removal of Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank.
There are extremists on all sides, and genocidal rhetoric must not be tolerated, wherever it comes from.
Sure, but unfortunately at present in Gaza, they are the same entity. Hamas represents Palestine there. One cannot retaliate against Hamas without harming Palestinians; there’s significant overlap in that Venn diagram. It’s like saying one supports Russia but not Putin.
The big difference for me regarding the factions here is that although asymmetrical, one side of this conflict wants genocide and the other wants safety. Although Palestine is the underdog here and is punching up rather than punching down, I cannot see them as the good guys like I might otherwise. They are a hostile belligerent force that attacks civilians regularly and refuses to concede defeat despite having lost every war they stated with Israel since 1948. At this rate they will soon be left with nothing because they will not accept the realpolitik of their situation and their leaders historically prefer violence to viable concessions. This unwillingness to accept the inevitable consequences of their failed hostile actions will not end well for them.
Very elegantly put. Unfortunately, eliminating Hamas could be like trying to eliminate the Taliban from Afghanistan, where it just ends up being a hydra situation.
Over 50% of the population of Gaza wasn’t born when Hamas was elected. They’ve never had a choice on their leadership, and it’s a shame they didn’t take any opportunities to change the leadership before this.
The PLO and Fatah both recognise the state of Israel and its right to exist, have given up armed struggle, and signed the Oslo Accords with Israel, accepting a peaceful political pathway to a two state solution.
Please don’t give the idiots a soap box. Supporting Palestinian right to life and territory doesn’t mean you support the destruction of Jews or Israel.
Believe it or not, people can come together in peace when old racist rich fucks that want power, land, and money stay out of it.
I don’t think burying this and pretending it didn’t happen is helpful when Jews around the world are telling us right now that they are terrified and under attack
Yeah it is important for us to also condemn antisemitism and make very clear that the Jewish people and the Israeli government are not the same.
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I think it does need to be acknowledged that there is a faction of people that absolutely do support the destruction of Israel and Jews. Hamas was elected, it should be remembered.
That absolutely does not mean that support for Palestinian statehood requires you to be opposed to Israel’s existence, but advocates for peace should be very clear that this kind of rhetoric is absolutely not tolerated. And conversely, advocates for Israel must absolutely reject the people that would support the complete removal of Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank.
There are extremists on all sides, and genocidal rhetoric must not be tolerated, wherever it comes from.
True, but these protesters and Hamas clearly support that. Hamas was elected as the government of Gaza last time they had an election and have yet to be deposed. Palestinians who support the destruction of Jews and Israel run Gaza.
You can support Palestine and oppose Hamas at the same time. You don’t even need to support Fatah either.
Sure, but unfortunately at present in Gaza, they are the same entity. Hamas represents Palestine there. One cannot retaliate against Hamas without harming Palestinians; there’s significant overlap in that Venn diagram. It’s like saying one supports Russia but not Putin.
The big difference for me regarding the factions here is that although asymmetrical, one side of this conflict wants genocide and the other wants safety. Although Palestine is the underdog here and is punching up rather than punching down, I cannot see them as the good guys like I might otherwise. They are a hostile belligerent force that attacks civilians regularly and refuses to concede defeat despite having lost every war they stated with Israel since 1948. At this rate they will soon be left with nothing because they will not accept the realpolitik of their situation and their leaders historically prefer violence to viable concessions. This unwillingness to accept the inevitable consequences of their failed hostile actions will not end well for them.
Very elegantly put. Unfortunately, eliminating Hamas could be like trying to eliminate the Taliban from Afghanistan, where it just ends up being a hydra situation.
Over 50% of the population of Gaza wasn’t born when Hamas was elected. They’ve never had a choice on their leadership, and it’s a shame they didn’t take any opportunities to change the leadership before this.
All Evidence For the Last 70 Years from the PLO to, Fatah, Hezbollah, PIJ, and Hamas, to the contrary, naturally, or course
The PLO and Fatah both recognise the state of Israel and its right to exist, have given up armed struggle, and signed the Oslo Accords with Israel, accepting a peaceful political pathway to a two state solution.