What happen next is we move on to this better platform
Absolutely, even without all the reddit drama a decentralised version clearly seems to be the smartest way to go. Reddit is it’s community and I think the ceo lost sight of that.
Many subs are already opening up again sadly.
It still looks pretty bad (in a good way): https://reddark.untone.uk/
Almost 7,000 subs private, including many of the biggest ones. This is by no means letting up.
It will be interesting to see where things stand in a few days and whether it’s causing ongoing pain to Reddit. I doubt they will comment until and if there’s a risk of ongoing, widespread blackouts.
True but I see the number of closed subreddits getting lower each time I look at that page.
I think a lot of them are either going to be support subs (like stopdrinking), or they will be subs asking their users what they should do.
The modcoord subreddit is full of support for continued protestYep, we opened up, polled the users, got told to keep it closed, and down went the shutters.
I see major subs like /r/gaming, /r/todayilearned/, /r/space opening up but they’re not asking their users what to do :(
Between this comment and my last at least 25 subs have opened up again. Even while typing this one opened up.
Huh? Last I checked r/gaming was asking for user feedback on whether they should remain closed and the comments look like a resounding “yes”.
When/where?
Still open tho
Force openings
Has that been confirmed yet? I saw one person saying it was happening, but the comments below proved they were wrong, and then they scratched out their comment and apologized for spreading false info.
I saw another post with screenshots
You mean this one right? https://famichiki.jp/@Tsutsuku/110537730270070245
Reddit’s CEO is a vile PoS
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Would be great if more of those communities moved to the fediverse :')
They are either coming or we’ll have to create them. I see no way forward with Reddit. Anyone who’s for Reddit deserves to stay in that cess pit run by spez now. Bridges have been burnt.
Oh my, I expected a few thousand to go up after an hour or two but a few big ones are even still down this is great :D
The subs going dark should have only been half of the protest. Users should have also stayed away from the site but I don’t think that was really coordinated.
The number of new posts didn’t drop much, the comments dropped a bit more but only by like 20%, which isn’t a lot given the amount of subs that went dark. Reddit doesn’t care about subs, they care about users and it seems engagement was still pretty high.
The next protest should be to all users to stop using the site. Drop the users and they’ll start to listen.
Before asking people to leave, subs creator should create similar communities on Lemmy
Exactly this. A long term blackout, especially a user blackout, is not feasible without a replacement place to go to.
I’m pretty sure none of them thought about that because they’re basically just doing this out of anger. They know it won’t change reddits decision so they want to take it away from all the users that don’t really care about third party apps or mod tools.
leaving this in lieu of lemmy gold.
Create coordinated groups on lemmy and dump all comments in the sub they mod. Sure, Reddit could restore, but it would be just one more hassle for their IT staff
I tried to do my part and heavily restricted my visits to the site. I checked the state of my feed and user profiles a select few times but always left almost immediately.
I even redirected my reddit browser bookmark to a local website which acted as a warning wall, just to stop me from my subconsciously opening and browsing the site.
I did similar, I swapped my shortcuts/apps for ones going to Lemmy. The muscle memory has worked in my favour.
I think a non-insubstantial amount of the comment activity was bots to be fair.
So, a substantial amount? :D
Medium-substantial. Midstantial?
I think this is true but I think it has always been the case. The question is were there more bots than usual and I’m unconvinced there was.
Indeed. Users should have joined in. I did my part at least, I haven’t used the site in days and I’ve also removed all of my comments and submissions.
Honest question, (I don’t expect you to know) how many of those were some form of bot?
Nobody really knows, but I personally don’t think there were any more bots on Monday than there was a week earlier. It’s a nice story that users dropped with the subs going dark, but I think it might be wishful thinking on our part. To my knowledge there’s zero evidence to suggest that they were mostly bots.
The submissions remaining steady while comments dropped off a cliff is eyebrow raising, however given how much the site struggled to handle so many private subs from a technical perspective, I strongly suspect reddit didn’t really do much ahead of the blackout. I think the steady submissions compared to the decreased comments tell us more about an average day of reddit how many submissions are bot submitted than it tells us about a change in bot behavior that day.
Yeah when the blackout started I disabled my Reddit app and haven’t been back there once since. We need more people doing this.
I went back to post on the “We’re back from the Blackout” posts to go let them know about the new communities that were started up.
I did that for a few that I’m interested in and got downvoted immediately. There’s definitely some bot like activity trying to flood content/organic growth on the communities polling/figuring out what’s next, so that users would flock back. They are also pushing back on alternatives when a good ol person would be just curious/happy/relieved that there’s some semblance of carry-over away from Reddit.
all the subs I liked were dark anyways so opening my app showed super old posts that were cached or blackout notices. Couldn’t go back of I tried
Reddit admins are starting to boot mods and force open subs. Total desperation move
Has that been confirmed yet? I saw one person saying it was happening, but the comments below proved they were wrong, and then they scratched out their comment and apologized for spreading false info.
if it’s not happening yet it’s inevitable.
I think they’re seriously underestimating the work mods did in the bigger subs
Fuck Reddit. Fuck /u/spez.
I am just waiting on r/askhistorians. Whatever they do next I will follow.
Honestly it is one of, if not the most, valuable communities on reddit. The fact that it just exists makes me feel a sense of wonder.
It’s the most valuable for me for sure, and I love everything about it. They’re back but currently restricted. I’m really curious about what is their next step.
IIRC, they said they were going to stay restricted so it could be an archive.
Reddit’s down for me lmao
The real sub closings and mass exodus from Reddit will most likely begin after the end of the month, when significant and popular 3rd party apps like Sync and Apollo will be shut down.
I deleted RIF on Monday and went to Reddit today via mobile and it was such a pain in the ass as soon as I shut it off I instinctively hit the Jerboa icon (I intentionally put it where RIF was on my homescreen).
Also the Jerboa app is getting better almost daily.
I wish iOS has an app like Jerboa :( Mlem misses so many features unfortunately…
I’ve been using Memmy since it became available yesterday and it looks promising so far. It’s already had about 4 updates just today:
Running the Memmy update today with dark mode and I had moments where my brain thought I was scrolling through Apollo. Gonna be very happy with the app if it continues down this route.
The official reddit app has actually made significant improvements to their mod tools in the last month, but holy fuck, it should not have taken this long. It still has a long way to go, and the app as a whole sucks balls. But I’m not planning on modding any longer, so, I don’t really care any more, I guess.
I wish Lemmur was still being developed. It looked pretty clean and was built on Flutter, but the devs stopped working on it in February due to lack of interest and political differences (I guess referring to the tankie Lemmy devs). I was thinking of making my own Lemmy app with Flutter for fun. If I do, I’ll probably write the UI myself but fork and use the dart API library from Lemmur for the backend stuff. Jerboa is nice, but I’d prefer more of a native Android looking app, kinda like Sync.
Same brother. Same. I’m actually surprised how good the Jerboa app works. I thought it be way crappy since everything now is scrambling to get away from reddit and catching mass exoduses is a hard thing to do. But it’s smooth as soft serve ice cream. I think that’s why Lemmy might work. It’s not a single break, it’s more like an ABS and it’s kinda magical (to me) how you can go and discover new communities. If one instance breaks you can always go to another one and it works almost the same atleast on a technical level.
I read that the Sync app was being shut down at the end of the month, then the blackouts started and I just thought Fuck it and set Sync to 0 minutes screen time on my phone while I set up Lemmy. I’m liking it so far just needs more users
I installed Jerboa and put it where Sync used to be and so far the transition has been pretty easy.
I really refuse to use Reddit on my phone using anything other than Sync so it’s an easy decision there. Will probably still browse Reddit on my desktop though since at least there I’ve got old.reddit with RES to make the site useable.
Today I logged in on my trash account to see what’s going on. On r/gaming there was a really interesting conversation about the protest. Seems to me that there is no shortage of people who merely see the protest as an inconvenience. Many of them don’t even see any issues with the default reddit app. It’s sad that there are so many people like that.
Well, they seem to like the ad infested reddit, so let them stay there.
This could cause more of a Reddit userbase fork than an actual full exodus which could be a good thing for us.
Having the ex-reddit users that were willing to stand up and leave/ flip off Reddit all in one place seems like a pretty cool community to be a part of.
Just noticed that r/tifu had a pretty good summary too: “ Without effective tools (which Reddit has frequently promised and then failed to deliver), moderators cannot combat spammers, bad actors, or the entities who enable either, and without the freedom to choose how and where they access Reddit, many contributors will simply leave. Rather than hosting creativity and in-depth discourse, the platform will soon feature only recycled content, bot-driven activity, and an ever-dwindling number of well-informed visitors. The very elements which differentiate Reddit – the foundations that draw its audience – will be eliminated, reducing the site to another dead cog in the Ennui Engine.”
In other words, people who actually create quality content will be gone. I wonder if the remaining people don’t mind the bot spam and reposts. If they really don’t, then Reddit can just milk them for ad money forever, and I guess this is the plan. However, if people do mind, then ad revenue will begin to decline as more and more subs begin to be filled with trash.
Yeah, they can have it then. I’m done with that site.
Yea the past few days I saw posts about the biggest influx is coming today at the start of the blackout, but I gotta say most people are fine with reddit if they get to use their 3PA. I think when some shut down there might be a bit more people comming opposed to the last few days
I’m here and plan a complete exit from reddit at end of June. I love my 3PA and won’t continue without it.
Yea I wanna see if any are going to be deleted if its possible. That would be a interesting metric. Because if they arent listening to the black out I think they might start to listen if dubs get permanently deleted and A LOT of their content dissapears
Agreed. I’ve still been checking Apollo everyday out of habit. Once July 1st hits, Apollo is getting deleted off my phone and then I don’t really see myself using Reddit much.
You need to pull the bandaid off. I started yesterday and replaced Apollo with Mlem and I’m not looking back.
Huffman says the blackout hasn’t had “significant revenue impact”
So two-day revenue change is his preferred metric? If I were a Reddit investor, I wouldn’t want this guy as a CEO…
Two days ago they were, as of his words “not profiting”, and suddenly a blackout doesn’t affect them? What a clown.
His unethical behavior is why I’d want him out as an investor. His decisions are directly harming Reddit’s reputation and damaging the IPO when it happens. The point is to increase value, not damage it. He must really think that the revenue syphoned by third party apps is worth all this.
At this point, with the way he has behaved and things he said, I am convinced that this was just an effort to shut Reddit down. There have been a lot of dissenting voices on there, just like on Twitter, and they cannot control this content as easily. So they send in Musk and this other clown to run these companies to the ground and make everyone flee, then they can claim the only people that are left on these platforms are the extreme crazies. Then the general public will no longer take things said on these platforms seriously. We have been watching this systematic effort to silence free voices everywhere, this is just another example. I would not be surprised if they take this time to permanently shut down sub-reddits that doesn’t agree the main narrative we are being given.
If you listen to Behind the Bastards, they have a fantastic episode on I think Sam Zell buying and making small town newspapers terrible, right before the 2008 election. The hypothesis is that Elon Musk is doing the same thing, and I find it hard not to include prepperdipshit spez in that sort of ilk.
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Can you elaborate a little more? If I were an investor in reddit, my primary concern would be whether the blackout was actually impacting revenue. If the revenue is flat, then the blackout is just noise and things will return to normal soon.
Impact on revenue could take months, if not years, to materialize. Most redditors will probably stick around for the time being, but if content posters / moderators leave the ship, the site will eventually die.
If I were him, I’d be looking at account deletions (especially from mods), number of new posts/comments, etc.
Exactly. Ain’t no way you can get an accurate view from 2 day. Though I don’t think he really cares as long as it doesn’t affect the IPO.
Those are a great points, especially about the mods- they are a key piece of the future-of-reddit puzzle. Thank you!
I think he means that long term effects are the real concern, not the effects of two day revenue
Honestly, there won’t be a mass exodus and Reddit will live on. I’m sure a bunch of users will flock to other platforms but in the long run Reddit only care about people that are already using their new UI and their new app. And those users won’t be leaving.
Regardless whether Reddit survives or not I am glad I found this space and excited for the future of Lemmy/Fediverse.
The 90-9-1 rule of internet communities applies though. If you’re unfamiliar:
90% of people lurk, 9% interact, and 1% create content. Reddit has an additional 0.1% snuck in there of people who moderate.
If you’re in that smaller echelon of users who interact or submit/create content, you’re more than likely a user who these api changes affect. So the 90% doesn’t really matter in the long run if you have no content, and the content that does come in is poorly moderated or not modded at all.
This kills the reddit.
I’m almost always a lurker but I have abandoned Reddit on principal and come here. I’ve replaced the infinity app on my homescreen with Beehaw and It gives me my reddit fix. I’m more likely to comment here too, since It doesn’t feel pointless due to the size of most subreddits.
I replaced RIF with Jerboa. So far it seems to work great. Even the layout in the comments looks nice.
I realized today that maybe all I need is something to scroll and some comments to read.
Sunday, this place felt dead. But each day the traffic seems to pick up and I miss Reddit less and less.
In a few weeks, I won’t miss Reddit at all (at this pace)
Feeling and hoping the same. I never commented on Reddit, so it’s not like I’ll be missed, but I can replace it easily with how much more active Lemmy feels now. I’m getting plenty of new posts vs a few days ago when it felt very stagnant.
Yeah, I definitely agree with that rule.
I have several friends that work at Reddit and from what I gather they ran all the numbers and determined that most mods use old.reddit and not 3P apps. So Reddit did their calculations and they have determined they will make more money in the long run by steering people to their new app. They know Reddit drama always seems bigger than it is and will blow over in a month. They know they will lose some users but they think the majority will stay, including mods and content creators.
I definitely understand why they made all these decisions from a business perspective but holy shit was this poorly handled by Spez. I think they could’ve given developers a longer shutdown period and they could’ve handled PR way better + the whole Christian (Apollo) debacle also didn’t help.
Yeah, I think reddit is going to die (if only due to the process of enshittification and the consequences of going public) but the idea of a mass exodus is a bit of a dream. Anyone who has had a conversation going on in one channel, and then have a mod tell them to move it to a more appropriate channel should know this. The conversation doesn’t move, it just stops 9/10 times.
But we shouldn’t be preoccupied with reddit as a community. Give what you can to Lemmy and enjoy it for what it is, not wishing it to be reddit.
Why not? I honestly loved Reddit as a community. Sure it’s toxic like just about every online space but people actually weighed in with their own actual opinions. Also it was just about the fastest and easiest place to get other peoples experience and opinion on something you’re not sure about yourself.
I can’t even list the times I googled “<new gadget> worth it reddit” and almost without fail I got a good discussion about pros and and cons, what to watch out for and alternatives. No place on the internet comes even close to that. Youtube, Insta and FB are pushing ads and sponsored content like mofos. Tumbler shot themselves in the foot with the no porn stuff (atleast it seemsto recover a bit). Twitter is just a cesspool of noise and I never joined it. The only places close to Reddit in actual useful and fast human conversation is Stackoverflow and the stackexchange communities.
I don’t want to nitpick, but I used the default reddit app and have switched Lemmy based on principal. I don’t think most or even many people are like me, but there are a few of us out there that just don’t like supporting companies that clearly don’t have users interests in mind, and this has been the wakeup call needed to get us off the platform.
Honestly, I’m almost glad their doing this. Gives me a good reason to leave and stay gone. Reddit as a whole is circling the drain with the constant AI and spam posts.
The official app is so terrible. I’ve tried it a couple of times. I think once people are forced to use that, we’ll see more folks move away from reddit. Looks like they are already killing browsing on a mobile browser to force you to use the app.
I think the real test will be when these API rules go into effect at the end of the month. Will all these people who showed solidarity the last two days leave the site then, or will they just quietly download the official app and continue on?
People are ADDICTED to Reddit. So much so that they are using Reddit as their primary resource to talk about how much they hate it.
Once the craziness around the API stuff dies down and it’s time to stop using Reddit for good, I’m willing to bet nearly all of these people cave in some way.
It is truly an addiction platform.
To my credit though I shredded all of my accounts today and deleted them. I’m 100% all in on lemmy and this new and exciting fediverse stuff.
Hey I’m even a mod now for NSFW! I’m a big boy now.
Just look at all the people who claim to hate Musk and everything he stands for, but continue using Twitter like nothing changed.
I never realized how much some people rely on Reddit for social interaction. It’s truly fascinating. Also, their unwillingness to even consider using other platforms.
I think a good portion will do both frankly. Half will go elsewhere or reduce usage. Half will stay like nothing happened.
A 25% loss in overall user traffic would be a low number I think to an extent. This would be enough for the valuation of Reddit to drop. If anything, it would hurt spezs pockets.
It would hurt Spez’s job - that guy is on pace to get shitcanned.
If people have to download a new app to replace apollo, sync, RIF, etc then they should download Jerboa and sign up to Lemmy. If you’re gonna have to get used to a different app interface nows the time!
I agree, but the whole “instances” and federation stuff can be overwhelming for the average user. As long as enough power users and content creators make the move, then Lemmy has a good shot long-term.
At the start of all this when Christian first posted I figured I would just use some sort of workaround like old.reddit in mobile browser; the official app and new reddit are non-starters for me, it’s just not how I browse.
However, in the days since I have been increasingly dismayed by Spez and the rest of the leadership response, a lack of interest in even engaging on the subject and outright hostility towards a community that has been dedicated to reddit for years. I can’t see myself going back there, it’s been poisoned for me.
Rome wasn’t built in a day. But people forget that it also didn’t collapse in a day.
Reddit higher ups have shown their hand. Will this end reddit? Not in the short term I think, but I believe whatever reddit will be in a year or two will be very different from what reddit was up until now
This is not the end of reddit. It is just a hiccup for them as they go public. But the protests was a good opportunity for folks to learn about alternatives. I certainly didn’t know alternatives existed. I’m glad to have found fediverse. I fully support the idea and want to see it grow.
It may not “end” Reddit but I do think this will end Reddit as we know it. It will just be a shell of itself just like Facebook is no longer a place for college friends to connect and share photos.
This I can believe. The only reason I still have facebook is for the precious few friends whom I use messenger with, as well as the group that the rescue I adopted my dog from uses. Every time I scroll through my timeline it’s 90% random garbage, advertisements, and “suggested” bullshit.
You can actually use messenger without a Facebook account which is what I do for the rare occasions I need that
This is the gist of it. It will happen again, and again, and again. After they go public, every quarter that they need to come up with some shenanigans to satisfy shareholders, it will happen again. Eventually, either a new thing will come up and start it all over again, or we will be mostly decentralized.
Agree. I don’t plan to leave Reddit but it’s good to look at the alternatives that are available out there.
Fluctuation of user numbers should at least impact the value of their stocks when they go public.
I’ve also learnt about several awesome subreddits. That made me double mad, knowing all the things I’m just missing.
During the last site-wide protest in 2015 I set up a VOAT account with all the similar subreddits that I had at the time. When people first started suggesting abandoning ship, I thought “Well, at least I still have Voat”. Checks Voat. Turned into a alt-rght haven and then shut down in 2020. Dho!
I’m making my transition a somewhat gradual one. I’ll still be on Reddit, in the more esoteric subs, though I feel dirty every time I go there. As all the cool kids migrate over, I’ll spend less time there and more time here.
Same boat as you, but now we have a new way to connect to other people on the internet. On top of that, lemmy has a bunch of new users now. Far more people can make content to make this engaging and exciting at the same time. I will miss f/nba though.
I’d love to turn the subreddit into a mere front to funnle new people onto lemmy or another community forum but I doubt the average user would enjoy that very much 😅 I think we will put it up to a vote, we also did one to determin if we should join the protest in the first place
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1048
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1113
I think once these two issues are solved, the average user really isn’t going to have any problem with lemmy.
They should first add errors messages so people know why there’s an infinite loading icon when registering or signing in
I think you’re going to need to elaborate, or create an issue on the issue tracker yourself.
I’m not sure I agree. I don’t like those two solutions. They basically try to centralize the platform. I think Lemmy is a little confusing at first, but that’s a UX/UI problem and not necessarily a good enough reason to change underlying features of the platform.
I think a user subscribing to communities across instances is a pretty tough technical challenge and it would be very difficult to manage. How are particular communities decided to be a part of a multi-community? Is it voted on? Is there a mod of the multi-community? If so, that could still lead to bifurcation wherein you now have a multi-community that claims to provide all /c/pokemon content across instances but is potentially missing many viable communities on some instances due to things like moderator in-fighting or moderator preferences.
I like how Lemmy allows for sort of duplicate communities. Reddit already had that issue and people naturally flocked to the communities that had the content that suited them. I think it would behoove Lemmy to stay away from trying to centralize it all.
However, I agree that it is confusing. I think this is a UI/UX challenge which needs to be solved. I don’t have the solution, but I think it’s clear that the app language needs to help users naturally feel comfortable living within an instance and moving across instances.
I am open to suggestions and I am fully happy to be proven wrong. But as a software engineer, the second GitHub issue gave me the heeby-jeebies on a technical front. Seemed a little hairy for a young platform to take on right now. I think there are plenty of other lower hanging fruit id prefer for the community to solve:
- Building a nice mobile android app Jerboa is pretty good but it needs some TLC. Timeouts happen frequently on my app and crash it/erase content I was reading
- Provide better documentation/marketing materials for new users. I’m open to the idea of a centralized website where users can go to create accounts, learn about Lemmy, and maybe initially subscribe to popular communities
All in all though, I feel like Lemmy is totally usable. Actually, the most confusing thing to me was learning that I could see my comments and posts on Mastodon. That threw me through a loop. I still don’t understand Mastodon since the UI - to me - just seems to be random comments. I don’t really have any thread-based context to understand the comments I see on my Mastodon app. So for now I stick to Jerboa.
They basically try to centralize the platform.
No, they don’t, I don’t know why you think that, this is really what federation is all about, seamless communication between servers, all they do is make it so that linking to different posts across the fediverse doesn’t log you out, or remove you from your instance unnecessarily
The other one ALLOWS you to categorize subreddits. Neither of these are bad things in any way, and if you don’t like them, you can manually visit other instances, and simply not use the multireddits.
I like how Lemmy allows for sort of duplicate communities. Reddit already had that issue and people naturally flocked to the communities that had the content that suited them. I think it would behoove Lemmy to stay away from trying to centralize it all.
This won’t change anything about that, it’ll just sort them by category
Building a nice mobile android app Jerboa is pretty good but it needs some TLC. Timeouts happen frequently on my app and crash it/erase content I was reading
this isn’t worth focusing on right now because: https://github.com/derivator/tafkars/tree/main/tafkars-lemmy
Provide better documentation/marketing materials for new users. I’m open to the idea of a centralized website where users can go to create accounts, learn about Lemmy, and maybe initially subscribe to popular communities
join-lemmy definitely needs an upgrade.
Oh I didn’t know about the tafkars app. That’s awesome! I will contribute if I have the time.
Fully agree.
In case you want to go that route: I made a bot that posts links to posts in a list of lemmy communities to a subreddit, optionally with flair and a comment of what is going on, to be run in a fully restricted subreddit (i.e., no comments show up at all, new posts need to be made via lemmy)
Would it be possible to make the bot post the content of the Reddit posts, instead of links to Reddit, via web scraping? That way we could avoid giving traffic and engagement to reddit.
It’s the other way round: It posts links to Lemmy posts to reddit, and then adds a top level comment stating that to post and comment you need to go to Lemmy.
That is great, will look into it!
No mention of alternatives in the article :(
It’s rarely talked about, frustratingly. I didn’t find Beehaw through articles or suggestions from people online, which I should’ve been able to do - I just found it because I have a friend into the fediverse space. Pure luck.
Imo the creators of third party apps should be talking about moving to alternatives (not moving their own apps, if they can’t, but just being voices for it).
to be fair, reddit strung them along and made them think it was all smooth sailing until about last week. The devs have to figure out what they even plan to do before they can start announcing plans. And there aren’t any real fully developed apps yet from what I can tell. I think, given some time, these developers may move their apps over or create new apps
I’m liking the Jerboa app. It feels kind of like RiF when I set up all the themes and everything.
Same, it definitely suits me just fine. I don’t see a reason to go back, this wasn’t a lifeboat for me it was just a legitimate transfer.
Same , feels like a earlier version of Reddit is fun from about a decade ago.
There is a mention of the tracker though and the tracker has a link to lemmy :D it’ll get anyone who’s interested in how many sites are down (its not perfect but its something)
It would’ve been very powerful if there was a remote consensus on where to setup shop during/after the blackouts rather than framing them as a wholly temporary thing. I completely understand that that would’ve been tough, but imagine if Lemmy/Beehaw/whatever else was mentioned in all of the Subreddit messages about closures.
I may be missing something, but the article completely loses the thread when it starts grousing over "why won’t the 3Ps pay up? " Because even if they pay, NSFW content is still not available for users. Reddit is attempting to force third party devs to charge for an inferior product, which is obviously untenable for all parties.
I agree, the Verge’s coverage has been much better on this subject. It isn’t about not paying for use, it’s about a reasonable price that isn’t so exorbitant to essentially bankrupt them and make them go away. Christian has addressed this point several times already.
Regardless of whether or not anything serious happens to Reddit, it’s just not the same for me anymore and I won’t be going back. I can see the vibe and audience further shifting ala Twitter. It’s too big to just fail, Digg, MySpace and other older sites still exist, they’re just shadows of themselves now.
Exactly. There is no winning here, but at a minimum, another corner of the internet grows that isn’t controlled by a singular entity. That should be real goal along with moving away from Reddit.
It’s just a small multi-time fee of 500 morbillion dollars, jeez, just pay the redditorino CEO a fair price, you 3rd party bullies.
There’s also been a lot of misinformation and misunderstandings going on regarding the blackout, which doesn’t help.
Unfortunately Reddit is almost too big at this point to fail. The fact that official communities exist over there is enough to keep them afloat. But Reddit as we all knew it is dead. I was always worried about Reddit going public effecting it’s quality, and the staff have only confirmed my fears. Luckily Reddit offers nothing anyone else can do, and jumping ship to a competitor had never been easier.
Long live the Fediverse.
Tough to disagree, hopefully long term users decide to gtfo before it gets even worse.
12+ years here, deleted my account 2days ago. fuck @[email protected]
Hell yeah! I’m too much of a hoarder to delete mine, but the only interactions I will ever have on that app will be telling people to try lemmy.
I believe you can also back up your reddit comments and posts with Power Delete Suite before the 30th, just be sure not to click the delete or modify post options if you don’t want to do that
Idk I tried archiving it but sonehow it didn’t work.
RiF gave me an option to export data, gonna check that out too. I was against wiping my account at first, but the more I think about the more I’m tempted. It knows a lot about me if you were to actually analyze it.
Digg is still around too, after all.
Heck, so are Slashdot, Fark, and Usenet.
Reddit doesn’t need to “die” in order for something better to come along.
This site has a graph that shows how many subs are private: https://blackout.photon-reddit.com/
I find it a good way to see how the situation is evolving as a whole.
This is a great resource, thank you! Interesting to like that there was an impact over the past 2 days, but it looks like it’s going back up to normal today. I guess we need to wait until the end of the month to see what happens with apps shutting down and subs continuing/going back to blackouts. Hopefully this wasn’t just a one time, 2-day reduction in traffic.
It also tells you that, depsite all the subs that blacked out, total comments posted dropped by something trivial – like 10%.
Admittedly, if Lemmy took that 10%, it would be a coup for federated services. But it looks like Lemmy took less than 1% of reddits total traffic during the blackout.
I feel like most will just stay but it will never feel the same. As for what could possibly replace it, at least for me, it has been a conglomoration of different things serving different purposes. Lemmy is good for seeing discussion, RSS for my own personal link aggregation, and then the occasional browsing of something like Mastodon which just hits a bit different personally. Those together have more or less quenched my desire for reddit for anything except hitting it on Google Search results.
Nothing will ever feel the same. It’s an illusion to think that one platform will ever ‘replace’ another. In my 20+ years of being online (oh God), that has never happened. Platforms will eventually fade away or become unbearable, but the void will be filled by many other niche platforms. Google+ didn’t succeed because it aimed to replace Facebook. Now it’s WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal, it’s BeReal, it’s Instagram, it’s TikTok. My guess is that it will be Lemmy for the nerds, Reddit for what “they” think it’s for (when I look at “new” Reddit — something like 9gag), and other platforms for what I can’t think of yet. However, the Fediverse certainly reminds me of the internet as it was about 15 years ago when it focused on open protocols and similar aspects. XMPP comes to mind. I am filled with joy when experiencing the freedom and prospect of an Internet without dependency on but commercial companies again.
Can you recommend a decent RSS client on Android? What feeds do you use?
Not op but I use feedly and it is pretty good. I think I’ve used it since right after Google reader went dark so I don’t know if there is a better app out there now.
Same. I’m pretty happy with it.
I actually use my Nextcloud instance’s News addon plus Nextnews on iOS so sorry I can’t be of more assistance :( Sounds like there are some others in the comments who do though!
I use Feeder, which is FOSS and available on F-droid.
+1 for Feeder, really happy with it
another +1 for Feeder, awesome app. On Desktop I use Liferea.
I’ll just reply to my own comment… thank you for your replies. I’ll check them out. Ta.
I remember back at Digg and MySpace. Same vibe.
“This will blow over.”
It always blows over until it doesn’t. Only take once.
It’s funny how these social companies get huge and think they are irreplaceable… when all of them started as a replacement for something else.
Once you think you’re too big to fail? That’s when ya trip.
