• art@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Yeah, they’re always outside the Steakhouse picketing. Running at me constantly with a fork full of green vegetables.

    THIS IS A REAL PROBLEM THAT I CONSTANTLY HAVE IN REAL LIFE.

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      1 year ago

      This is the sarcasm we deserve.

      I’ve known plenty of vegans and not once have I seen them “try to force it into others”… Outside of internet rage baiting crazies.

      …Now the religious on the other hand, I have first hand experience with.

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        1 year ago

        Even worse is the anti-vegan that will berate you for not eating meat, or that say they will purposefully eat twice as much meat just to counter your efforts… And yes, I have met a few of them, generally they blame vegans for their behaviour too 🙄

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      1 year ago

      You joke, but there have been cases of steakhouses and butcher shops having troubles with protestors. It’s not an everyday thing, but we are talking about a small, crazy portion of an already fringe group.

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        1 year ago

        So crazy to protest ppl profiting off the rape and murder of thousands of sentient beings

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          …that is a profoundly stupid way to look at it, you cannot exist without hurting something or someone, your mere existence causes pain to some people, and they’d much rather you stop existing, are you going to oblige them too? To define pain and suffering as unacceptable in all forms is to deny reality.

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            Nice ableism. No one is forcing you to support the rape and murder of sentient beings so you can put their corpses in your mouth. You can choose not to do it, don’t pretend your hands are tied

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              No, we can’t, we’re omnivores, while you can survive on plant-based sources of protein, in the long term, it causes problems. Getting the right nutrients is difficult and expensive, even in the short-term, meaning that you have to be profoundly privileged to do it, so technically, you’re classist.

              And you didn’t answer my question, what about all the other suffering you support? People who suffer so that you can be comfortable, everyone from the avocado farmers and factory workers to the bugs/animals that get poisoned by various pesticides? How is their pain ok, while the cows’ pain is unacceptable? Do you understand that you can’t exist without causing some pain and discomfort, somewhere to something?? The only reason you have a problem with eating meat is because that is right in front of you.

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                  1 year ago

                  I mean, yes, you’re hypocrites, I’m glad you agree with me. So long acknowledge it, and don’t bother me, I don’t care what you do.

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                    I’m so glad you care so much about the suffering of bugs! Heartwarming. Maybe one day you’ll actually care about the suffering of cows, pigs and chickens too.

                    You don’t want to comment on the extremely well-sourced post above this one? Strange! BTW, if you’re so worried about the welfare of avocado farmers, maybe you should also be worried about the welfare of slaughterhouse workers, many of whom develop PTSD from killing the animals needed for your le steak and bacon.

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                1 year ago

                Not the original commenter, but wanted to add some rebuttal to a few of those claims


                In terms of health

                It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. These factors contribute to reduction of chronic disease

                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/


                In terms of costs

                It found that in high-income countries:

                • Vegan diets were the most affordable and reduced food costs by up to one third.

                • Vegetarian diets were a close second.

                • Flexitarian diets with low amounts of meat and dairy reduced costs by 14%.

                • By contrast, pescatarian diets increased costs by up to 2%.

                https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-cheaper-and-healthier-oxford-study


                In terms of issues with crop production

                Those end up being reduced due to the lesser need to grow crops. Is it perfect, no, but does it end up substantially ahead, yes

                So for instance terms of pesticides, the usage still ends up lower due to a lesser need to grow feed crops

                To produce 1 kg of protein from kidney beans required approximately eighteen times less land, ten times less water, nine times less fuel, twelve times less fertilizer and ten times less pesticide in comparison to producing 1 kg of protein from beef

                (emphasis mine)

                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25374332/

                More broadly

                Plant-based foods have a significantly smaller footprint on the environment than animal-based foods. Even the least sustainable vegetables and cereals cause less environmental harm than the lowest impact meat and dairy products [9].

                https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/8/1614/htm

                This is because

                1 kg of meat requires 2.8 kg of human-edible feed for ruminants and 3.2 for monogastrics

                https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211912416300013

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                  1 year ago

                  In terms of health, it’s healthy

                  There are people, whose whole job, and primary source of income is being vegan and talking about being vegan, and many of those people complain about the health problems they have, despite of all the effort they’ve put into it. So no.

                  In terms of issues with crop production

                  So murder of things is fine, then? You we’ren’t complaining about the amount of meat people were eating , you were complaining that people eat meat at all.

                  And again, you didn’t answer the most important part, what about the human pain and suffering your lifestyle causes?