• agamemnonymous
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    1 month ago

    My point is you’re torturing a non-scientific argument to try to pass it off as scientific. No one benefits my pretending achieve is something it isn’t. You’re trying to use it to determine reality, when it’s just a tool to develop consistent models. It does not work when considering a phenomenon outside of testable hypotheses.

    Again, the sun could be the head, the sensory and processing unit, of an unknown nuclear being. We have no way to test this, so it cannot be scientifically “disproved”. That does not dictate reality. You’re trying to apply scientific reasoning to phenomena outside its preview.

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      1 month ago

      Your claim doesn’t have anything to do with my original point other than semantic sports over whether the sun is a head. Philosophy and theology also don’t determine reality. We can only discover it through these means, the same way we can discover reality through science. The simple fact is that some philosophical, theological, and scientific hypotheses are closer to reality than others. The only way to dispute that would be to argue there is no objective truth, which is a self-defeating claim.

      Again, OP is making a meaningless argument.

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        1 month ago

        There is no objective truth. You wanting to project objective truth does not make it more real. Reality is a mystery, and using tools incorrectly to fool yourself into objective truth is a miscarriage of science.

        You’re trying to apply materialism to allegory. Evaluating religion this way is a meaningless argument.

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          1 month ago

          Is the statement that there is no objective truth objectively true? If so, there is some objective truth, and the statement is false. Like I said, it’s a self-defeating claim.

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              1 month ago

              What does set theory have to do with absolute truth? And if there is no absolute truth, how can any aspect of set theory be valid?

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                1 month ago

                Might wanna brush up on your epistemology. These are middle school tier arguments.

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                    I can, but I won’t. This is no longer an entertaining use of my time. I’m not going to explain the implications of Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem to someone with such a shaky grasp of epistemology. Pearls before swine.