ID: MUNROE @MunroeBergdorf posted: “Please don’t be surprised if I block you instead of engaging in ‘a debate’ about issues that don’t affect you, but impact on my life greatly. I do not need to, nor want to converse with people who prioritize their desire to prove a point, over my humanity and rights.”
Amanda Jette Knox @MunroeBergdorf replies: “THIS. You owe no one a debate on who you are, ever. Not online. Not in person. Not in the media.”
Issues that impact my life greatly are issues I WANT to talk about and debate with others.
Especially gender-war issues and sexism that have just about ruined my life at this point.
I only agree with the image that I greatly prefer to talk to people that have serious experience with these issues. Unfortunately those are the people least willing to talk about them, and I believe that this is a major barrier to our society solving these issues.
Can you not understand the difference between wanting to do something, and something being demanded of you?
Don’t feed the troll.
in this case it was necessary and constructive
Personally, I would consider making a public post about something on social media as an open invitation to talk about it in comments. It doesn’t excuse being rude or anything, but if it was about an issue in my life that I was comfortable sharing, I would expect others to appreciate giving and receiving perspective if they didn’t specify otherwise.
Not sure who would be demanding anything in this scenario. People choose to comment or not, including the OP. Everyone is communicating only as much as they feel comfortable doing, unless there’s context I’m missing.
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You also don’t get what me nor op is saying evidently.
You aren’t the one doing the demanding.
You do whatever the fuck you want to do, debate as many fuckers as you fucking please, but when others demand marginalised people debate them, as is stated in OP we don’t owe them shit.
To respond more directly to your edit:
This marginalized person thinks that a conversation on these topics is the only way to keep the tensions from continuing to rise into violence.
A debate is better than violence. I demand we become willing to talk it out.
Ah, so you’re an MLK’s proverbial white moderate, who doesn’t only think they get to tell other marginalised folks what they can do, but also what they can’t.
Good luck with that lmmfao
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Violence… Lol
I’m starting to do the demanding, and I think we all should.
I do think that society owes ALL victims of rape and sexual abuse and sexism and harassment a god damn conversation (but maybe a different format than a debate) that everyone needs to be a part of if we want a productive solution.
For fucks sake, you do whatever you want.
Marginalised people don’t owe anyone shit, not justification for existing, not reasoning as to why people shouldn’t oppress us, NOTHING
It is the people doing the oppressing who need to expend their own fucking time and energy in to educating themselves from the vast pool of knowledge that already exists about our issues and how they contribute to them (one way being this demand being discussed that you are so dead set on pretending doesn’t exist)
You want to contribute to that pool? Good for fucking you, but you don’t get to join the oppressors and demand your fellow marginalised people waste *our time energy and emotional labour doing anything.
I’m done here.
thank you for being here and defending the vital message of this post, friend 💛
I don’t see a demand to discuss these issues.
I see violent repression of discussing these issues.
So I respond by demanding that others discuss these issues.
Women and men are the majority sexes, and as a marginalized sex I demand that they be willing to start talking instead of being so dismissive.
Both people in the OP are trans. They’re asserting their right to just BE, not expend all their life energy constantly EXPLAINING, especially to malicious actors who barrage them with “discussion” that’s just digs in disguise.
Luckily nobody cares what you demand. It’s fine for you to do it, but I’m not gonna waste my time talking to people who want me dead, period :3
Even if we owe it to them, we can’t demand it from them. We can’t demand they traumatize themselves further, or allow us to traumatize them further, which you’re very likely to do even if your intent is the opposite.
oh my gosh it’s you. :( even after our conversation you still made this comment? i… that’s just really sad. i definitely made the right choice in disengaging.
please take your time away to learn and grow as a person.