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As always in capitalism, video games have largely deformed from an art form into just another means to generate profit for large corporations
Bollocks, any decent game needs a fuck ton of capital to develop
Please share all the greatest communist games
Agree that loot boxes suck, they are gambling, not gaming
Edit. Yes, Tetris. One game made in 1985. Brilliant example Tankards.
So the score so far for games made:
Communism - 1
Capitalism - 831,000
No, games require labor to develop.
The capital pays for the labour, unless you have people who can work for free.
Within the confines of capitalism I would probably agree. But under socialism, production happens independently of capital accumulation.
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FTFY
But moreso where there’s no opportunity to make money
That’s a pretty drastic statement to make without evidence
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Lol, there’s plenty of opportunity to make money under socialism. You just have to do the labor. Under capitalism, however, there exists opportunity to derive money from other people’s surplus labor value, for example, I can pay a worker $4 to make a thing that requires $1 in supplies and sell that for $10. That difference of $5 is stolen surplus value from the laborer. Socialists seek to abolish this parasitic relationship.
Yeah, fuck that. I’ve had over 30 jobs in 30 years, I just played the game, retired once, now I have the luxury of no debt and passive income, I can go all in on green tech.
Plus, you have to trust that the central government knows best. Looking at things like the famine in China after the 4 pest policy and the govt’s recent performance where I live in the UK, I have zero faith, in either system.
Time for something new
Even if we suppose that’s true, you’re still failing to illustrate how capital is necessary for production under socialism.
Maybe we should start with what you mean by capital
Given the context of the meme being a picture of Karl Marx, I was using the Marxist definition of capital. Marxists.org provides a pretty digestible definition: https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/c/a.htm
Ok good. So capital is required for capex and opex.
As you start with 0 sales you need to get capital from investors to fund you until sales >1
Tetris enters the chat
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Yeah it being an incredibly addictive universally approachable game has nothing to do with it being widely played for over 40 years… 🙄
Psst. Almost 40 years. Tetris was released in 1985 not 1983
This comment brought to you by an old fuck that doesn’t need to be artificially aged to be even older
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I’ve played about a dozen versions of Tetris over the last 30 years, a lot of which were written by just one dude and released to the world without the expectation of compensation. There are literally hundreds of ports/clones that run on everything from a Nokia phone to a Unix/Linux text mode interface.
Were it not for western publishers, I’m pretty sure it would have spread anyway just due to its addictive nature and it being an excellent time sink. Just like chess and checkers didn’t need a capitalist to spread around the globe.
I’m literally using an entire operating system right now that not one capitalist controls. It runs most of the internet’s infrastructure. Sure, the capitalists can use it and even contribute, but they don’t get to dictate how you run your system.
How about your hardware? And the fibre that enables us to communicate? And the electricity?
Oh, funny you mention that, because in my country, my government paid to have fiber laid but the useless bloodsucking capitalist ISPs didn’t do absolutely jack shit with the money and pocketed it. That’s why were having to do stupid shit like Starlink now to connect the people out in the sticks.
My electricity is also provided by a co-op.
Anecdotes are just that though.
You moved the goalposts
How did the soviets make Tetris if technology only exists under capitalism?
No, I said make a decent game now. As in, a capital intensive one that uses top designers, artists, coders etc etc. Who is making those games today? The Vietnamese? The Cubans?
One game in 1985 versus the multi multi billion capitalist games industry?
No it wouldn’t. Tetris was going to get played by millions whether someone licensed it or not. That’s why there was such a mad scramble to land a deal.
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You don’t need licensing to copy that floppy. That’s what your mind can’t grasp.
The Soviet Union owned all copyright, there was no licensing let alone individual copyright.
Where are you getting floppies from? Where are you getting your computer from?
That’s only because in the West there was no way for the game to reach customers at the time. The game was popular in the “Soviet Block” just fine, because distribution model was different.
Today, it would spread through internet like fire.
Sure, I’m always playing Vietnamese and Cuban games. They’re grrrreat!
And Tetris was only successful because of licencing, let’s not create an alternative history here
Because capitalism was the first time money existed lol
What? Are you saying the video game industry predates capitalism? Lol
Minecraft
Terraria
Astrox Imperium (this is a single player version of EvE Online, so definitely not for everyone)
Dyson Sphere Program
Factorio
UFO:AI (admittedly this is a FOSS XCOM game that started as a clone of XCOM Apocalypse, and morphed into something bigger)
All developed by either a single person, or tiny teams with basically no start up capital. I’m sure I can find more, since the FOSS list of games is enormous.
Labor develops society. Capital enshittifies society.
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Capital doesn’t cease to exist under communism, guy. It just stops being controlled by one person.
Yes, it gets mismanaged by central government
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Using everything that happened in the 20th century as evidence, no mystery. There’s good governance and bad management. Just one is more effective overall.
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Managed economies perform worse than decentralised granulised individual decisions.
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One making decisions for the many is sub optimal.
Many making individual decisions delivers better results
In F1, each team has the same tools, but it’s the competition that drives performance. It’s distilled capitalism.
I’m putting together a 1b deal at the moment that’ll net me 50m if it comes off. It’s in agtech and will have a significant effect on soil quality and reduction in agricultural pollution.
Capitalistm is agnostic. It can be altruistic. It doesn’t need politicians getting involved.
That’s like saying only Disney can make movies. Cause they have capital.
not rly, you don’t have studio level funding if you don’t optimize (the content) for revenue. same with large/aaa level games
edit: according to George Lucas, filmmakers in the USSR had more artistic freedom than he had when making Star Wars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWqvaMEFIdI
Anyone can make a movie, but you can’t make a big budget movie without a big budget.
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A few (good and one time buy) games off the top of my head (is that how you use the expression/idiom?):
Obviously commie games:
Might or might not be commie, but definitely progressive:
honourable mentions:
Missing Tetris!
Disco Elysium
Cave Story
If you’re not trolling you’re stupid af
Or both ;)
Stardew Valley
Wolfenstein?
Edit because I thought of a real one. Tetris.
You can get that money back by making a good game and charge for it, no need for dark pattern and lootboxes.
Agree 💯
Sure but does it need that money when it’s released or is it simply there because of publisher greed?