• Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    This is like a random list.

    There’s hades. There’s vampire survivors. There’s FTL.

    Those are radically different games.

    Would have been better to call it a list and broke it into subgenres.

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      It feels like a list for fans of “run based games” as it were, with Qud being the outlier.

      I am strongly biased towards TOME but think any list that doesn’t reference Stoneshard at this point is doing a disservice. It is probably the most accessible “lite rogue like” at this point and should be on basically every list

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        11 months ago

        with Qud being the outlier.

        Well, and they also have Rogue itself on there.

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          11 months ago

          I unabashedly consider it a like and categorize it that way in steam. But going by the Berlin checklist, it is more a lite.

          But it should be the gold standard for all likes at this point

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            11 months ago

            I think the only items it’s violating are being non-modal (which is violated all the time genre defining Roguelikes) and by not being ASCII (ditto, pretty much every genre defining roguelike has a tileset these days).

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      11 months ago

      Hades and FTL are rougelites. You’re expected to do them in one sitting, they have randomly generated levels and minor progression carrying over playthroughs. Vampire Survivor is an odd one out that’s just plainly not a roguelite.

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        11 months ago

        If they’re interpretting ‘roguelite’ as single-session games with meta-progression between runs, then VS qualifies. I wouldn’t have called it a roguelite personally, but I can at least see where they got it from.

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          11 months ago

          VS has static levels and every enemy wave is predefined. On that merit alone it can’t be a roguelike/roguelite.

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            I think it’s more a top down shoot-em-up.
            Llike alien breed, chaos engine, or even asteroids for that matter

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              11 months ago

              I guess the best approach is to not limit yourself to just one label. Games like Enter the Gungeon, Nuclear Throne (or even Binding of Issac for that matter) are roguelite top down shooters. Spelunky is a roguelite platformer, FTL is a roguelite tactics game.

              [warning: weird and unnecessary microgenre rambling ahead]

              And don’t get me started on metroidvanias. Dead Cells is a metroidvania roguelite. Dark Souls is a metroidvania too, but also a souls-like. Technically all souls-likes are metroidvanias. Vampire Survivor-likes or whatever we are going to call them are probably going to branch out mechanically too, if they didn’t already.

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          I think I’ve seen VS (and games like it) called “bullet-heaven” since they’re kind of the opposite of bullet-hell in a way. I like that, since imo VS-type games are essentially a new genre separate from rogue-lites.

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          11 months ago

          What is Vampire Survivors lacking that would more firmly define it as a roguelike? Weapon pickups are randomized, each run is short but there is meta progression as you play. I’m not disagreeing I’m just not sure what the difference really is when compared to something like Hades.

          Edit: Saw another comment referencing the lack of level randomization so that makes sense.

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            11 months ago

            I’m not really sure how they are defining terms, but to me the reason vampire survivors shouldn’t be on the list is the live until x time gameplay. A rougelite or rougelike game should have a more definite win condition.

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      Noita is just fantastic. It’s mind-blowing to realize for the first time just how expansive the game is. Like, a new player can definitely “win” the game without even seeing 95% of it, or knowing it’s there. It’s not until you get curious and brave and start exploring off the “easy” path that the sheer scope of it is apparent. (This was absolutely my experience.)

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      11 months ago

      Noita should absolutely be on this list. The only explanation is that the author never played it.

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        “Roguelite” isn’t really a genre, but a catchall for many types of game that use some elements that are common in roguelikes, but aren’t really roguelikes.

        I mean, Nova Drift and Inscryption are roguelites, but they just aren’t in the same genre of game at all. One’s an action Asteroids-like game, and the other a turn-based deckbuilder.

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    11 months ago

    Shout out to Caves of Qud. Mobbin’ it right now and its like playing Fallout for the first time. I had to switch from classic I was dying so much.

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      11 months ago

      I bought a USB numpad for my laptop to play Qud more efficiently lol

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        11 months ago

        Latest update even makes it playable fully with a controller very nicely. I’ve been enjoying it on the Steam Deck. It’s surprising how well it works, considering the complexity of the game and its controls. (It was playable with a controller before that update, but they massively re-worked the default control scheme to be much better and more efficient.)

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          Seconded, I play on PC with a PS4 controller. Had to edit the keybinds file a bit, but very satisfied.

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    11 months ago

    It’s not on the list because it’s not done yet, but oh boy! I’m kinda excited for Dwarf Fortress Adventure Mode!

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      I can’t fucking wait. I’ll generate a world and just get lost in Legends mode for a while and never even start Fortress mode. I can’t wait until I can actually explore those areas.

      I’m pretty new to DF, but the game continues to blow my mind. It’s unbelievable. So glad they added the pixel graphics, because the ASCII was the one thing holding me back before.

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    11 months ago

    Backpack Hero is my latest and greatest. Too addictive, if you like inventory management as the main highlight (not simply as a side necessity). Depending on how you place items into your, expanding, bag, rotating and reorganizing them as you go, determines how bonuses will be applied to the other items in your bag, as you battle your way through short-medium dungeons, visiting your home hub after each trip. It can still get tricky with the management, and it does suck your time, at least for me, but…too much fun!

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      11 months ago

      I keep hoping that one comes to Android. It would be perfect for me beside Peglin and Slice & Dice.

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    11 months ago

    Anyone have some for Android? I’m playing Shattered Pixel Dungeon right now but haven’t found more

    Edit: Dungeon not hero

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      11 months ago

      I’ve been playing Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup. It’s a port from a PC version so the controls are a little clunky, but I find it a nice change of pace from SPD.

      There’s a lot more complexity in the game and at least one tutorial says to focus on minotaur berserker to simply learning the game.

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          It’s a seriously complicated UI but once you get used to it it’s pretty fun. The use of the default non-android keyboard will take a while to learn all of the key board shortcuts.

          Also note that you don’t actually need to manually use arrow keys at all. You can use ‘o’ to auto search the map and Tab to auto advance to / attack enemies. You can also zoom in a bit with volume keys to make the map a little more visible

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    11 months ago

    inhales: EEEEEEENTER THE GUNGEON!

    I have that game on multiple platforms now and about 1500 hours total of game time.

    Such a addictive fun game that keeps me going back for moar!

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        It doesn’t scale, the game can be quite though in the beginning. First time I’ve beaten the game it took me hundreds of tries.

        Now I can almost always complete every run with each character.

        Late game enemies tend to have more health and cursed enemies have double or triple the health but it’s always the same.

        There lots of weapons, passives and synergy’s that upgrades your damage.

        If you unlock l something like the make shift Canon it can one shot bosses straight away.

        The game does have a damage cap but with enough synergy’s and passives you can even break that.

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    If you like roguelikes and want to ruin the scope of all other games for you for a while, try CDDA.

    My gamer brain is in shambles.

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      Probably one of the greatest games of all times, i’m always amazed at the sheer amount of possibilities. I did a throwing-focused character last time, stripping car batteries for that sweet sweet acid, making molotov cocktails with gasoline and homemade grenades with commercial fertilizer. Next time maybe I’ll do a pirate living in a lighthouse, strapping cannons and guns to a boat. The vehicule building is out of this world, so much fun…

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      11 months ago

      Isn’t Project Zomboid pretty much CDDA but with graphics?

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    I’m playing Irarus, lord of the dead lately. It’s very similar to darkest dungeon, but easier.

    Thea (1 and 2) is noticeable for being a 4x roguelite. It’s also the slave mythology, so quite original in that regard.