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    Argh, why make 2 communities? >_< Pick one damnit :D

    I’m going to the blahaj one

    Anyway well done for recognizing the ship is rapidly disintegrating.

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      I got a response from them on Reddit:

      We didn’t know which platform would take off, and we were nervous that because Kbin and Lemmy are so similar one platform might shut down in some sort of consolidation down the road. Also when we made them, each had very serious drawbacks for our media (Lemmy needs a lot of clicking to access the media, while kbin turned any media that wasn’t in a 3:4 aspect ratio into a funhouse mirror.) So each of us took a community and somewhere down the line we’ll re-evaluate.

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        That makes a lot of sense.

        I was tempted to go with kbin when I switched, because it just looks cleaner and better designed. I’m not sure why kbin isn’t more popular, but I’m sticking with the pack right now on lemmy.

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          Personally I started with kbin and think the dev of it is great. But it’s simply not as far along IMO. At least when I was using it, it was critically missing the ability to collapse comments. That single feature is huuuuge for me and probably the most prominent thing that got me to switch to Lemmy.

          It also doesn’t have an API yet, which means that mobile apps aren’t likely to target it. Though I’ve personally been using a browser cause I haven’t found any apps to be good enough yet.

          Also, the notifications of kbin felt very buggy to me. I missed a lot of notifications and even when they worked, they don’t show the notification or even what the thread title is, so you have to click each one individually. IIRC, clicking the notification also didn’t work if your comment wasn’t on the first page of comments.

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            It’s still lacking the collapse a comment ability! I am like when are they going to fix that?

            But it’s a much much newer instance. We’ll see, but I think it has potential.

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          From what I understand, /kbin is not as mature. It’s still an early beta. I’m not sure who designed Lemmy’s ui but it could use some spit polish.

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          I like how Lemmy looks simpler and more lightweight. Also Kbin is trying to do 2 things instead of focusing on one thing and I don’t think that’s a good idea.

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      Given that one of those resignations talks about Beehaw like it’s a separate platform entirely, I think it’s just some good old fashioned misunderstanding. Looks like they’ve set up separate user accounts on Lemmy and Kbin too.

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      Yeah, kind of a strange choice to split like that. Are they intending to start crossposting to both communities?

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        The problem is that if you have two communities with exactly the same purpose, then that will encourage people to duplicate posts to both. This splits up discussions into two separate comment threads. Also, merging these communities at the client end will cause you to see any duplicated posts twice 😅

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          True. But if the client can see the duplicate and merge the post plus the comments from both posts into one on the user’s device, it would be transparent to the user. We’re just not there yet.

          I think the same would also be useful where the same article (post) is made on multiple subs (communities / magazines) within a certain time window. It’s annoying seeing the same post multiple times in /all.

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          I mean it was like that on Reddit too. I would see the same articles posted on r/gaming, r/gamers, r/truegamers, etc. It’s not really a problem unique to Lemmy/Kbin

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        It’s not going to be twice the content though. It’s either going to be split between the two, or, most likely, just seeing double-posts as one is crossposted to the other

    • I just checked out KBin for the first time. Yes there’s a lot of duplicated communities on there but the site itself has quite a nice UI. Like a more updated version of Lemmy keeping the simpl9icity but not going balls-to-the-wall modern like Reddit.

      I’ve signed up and think I’ll be using both. I don’t see a problem with this. Sometimes I get a bit bored of Lemmy’s stories not updating so I’ll switch to KBin and see what’s going on.

      It’s no different than when I used to get bored of Reddit and would check out BBC News or YouTube for stuff.

      I like choice.

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        Nobody said anything about choice. But you can use your kbin account to read lemmy communities through kbin, and you can use lemmy account to read kbin communities through lemmy. There’s just no reason to have 2 communities.

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      We weren’t sure which to go with; also… there was a whole thing with the creator of the OG sub; we were a bit concerned that they would create those and just sit on them, so we wanted to go ahead and have at least one or two places for AR.

      So we did one on lemmy and one on kbin (I think I put one on like… squabbles too?) (I should check that…) and will kinda go with whichever takes off.

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    For everyone who told us that they’d never taken a single art class and they could mod this place better with their eyes closed… Well, consider this a golden opportunity! It’s going to be tricky doing it with your eyes closed ever since Reddit’s painfully botched rollout of “disability friendly” mod tools in their disasterpiece of a mobile app has caused nothing but crashes and bugs, but you seemed so confident in the many (many, many, many) times you’ve expressed this opinion that we can only assume you know something about modding that we don’t!

    Is such a fun line.

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          Oh my god that was annoying! But yes. Now, I am okay.

          Firefox wasn’t letting me comment, reply to comments, or edit my comments. I even dragged my home instance’s moderator into helping me debug which I feel terrible about. (Especially because I originally described it as a federation error, only later realizing that the glitch was happening on reddthat as well as federated instances.)

          After various debugging attempts, he told me to deactivate my extensions… which I hadn’t tried for some reason… and it worked instantly. My Bionic Reader Firefox extension in particular turned out being the source of the problem. And now I feel like I’ve wasted my mod’s time trying to debug something that he had no control over, but other than that? I’m okay.

          Thanks for asking.

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        Actually, we did have a small contingent of visually impaired people who enjoyed the subreddit, even if they had to zoom way in to see the details. Most people who are legally blind still have some vision and they still love pleasing arrangements of pixels.

        That’s why we’re trying to make the Lemmy and kbin instances more accessible by adding image transcriptions where possible, a paragraph description explaining the details in the photo so mostly-blind people can enjoy them more.

        Also, like, half the mod team is some flavor of disabled, and us cripples gotta stick together.

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        Oh please please please. And the companion suicide and kamikaze subs too. All absolute gems.

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    This is the sort of action I love to see. Reddit thinks they own the moderators who are working for free. They want slaves. Fuck them.

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      From the very start, ever subreddit should have challenged Reddit and called their bluff. Go ahead, replace the mods for thousands of subreddits. If a few dozen are changed, that’s no problem. Whatever. But thousands? Good luck.

      The whole protest seemed so half-hearted from the start. You don’t go on strike with a set end-date in mind. You go on strike indefinitely until demands are met or a satisfactory compromise is made.

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        I will say that the short blackout was enough to get me onto the Fediverse. I didn’t even use the apps that would be affected by the API shutdown, so I never would have noticed the controversy without the blackout.

        But once the blackout was announced, I recognized how far reddit was willing to go in service of harvesting its users’ data. And after that point, I just didn’t feel good on the site anymore. (Granted, I first created an account on Mastodon because the people calling for blackouts never mentioned Lemmy. But still!)

        Between Facebook’s notification system repeatedly failing to direct me to comment replies, Twitter DDoSing itself, and reddit turning into the Eye of Sauron (which, again, I would not have even noticed happening were it not for the short protest), it seemed like the perfect time to exit the sinking ship of corporate social media.

        Meaning they did something. Maybe they didn’t avert the reddit apocalypse, but they still did something.

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          When the blackouts started no one had a clue which of the alternatives would stand out as a viable option.

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            True, but it got people (eg me) started on actually looking for alternatives.

            Not being very tech savvy, the reddit summaries post backout helped alot too.

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              Same. Investigated why there was a blackout, found out Reddit was screwing over RIF in a big way and felt disgusted enough to look for Reddit alternatives. Here we are!

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        There was never a chance for compromise. This was about money; a premature, over blown, knee jerk, pie-in-the-sky hope to cash in on free expert input based on decades of good will interactions performed for free by people who cared about their subject matter.

        I deleted every comment I’d ever made and left pretty much immediately. They can eat their own shit.

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          Don’t forget to go back a week out and verify that your deleted comments didn’t mysteriously reappear. Seems like that’s been happening a lot lately, according to various reports. (I haven’t really had the heart to go delete all of my own comments. Yet.)

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            Get your account banned, boom, comments gone. If you want to cause additional pain GDPR request on your banned account every 30 days. They still have to comply with requests as long as they hold your data. Make them work even though you don’t use the site.

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          I heard one guy had manually deleted their comments only to find sometime later they were restored.

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            On a couple I saw my name deleted but not the comment. I assumed it was sluggishness or something. I didn’t have much to delete even though I’d been there 12? years so I’m not going to… oh, also deleted account(s) so guess whatever they do is in their hands now anyway.

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        I was saying this from day one, we aren’t teachers or nurses or someone who may feel they owe society some information about their strike.

        People literally could not promise to stay away from a website for a week. The strike should have been indefinite it was our chance to try and save it. Now it’s lost to me.

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          I never wanted to save Reddit in the first place. I was glad that spez finally screwed it up badly enough to prompt people to leave in large numbers, and I was glad that the protest was too half-hearted to restore the status quo. Fuck centralised, corporate-owned social media.

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            I’ve gone full soapbox preacher on federation of late, but it almost feels like trying to explain the internet to someone without a computer in 1998. It’s amazing the amount of people who have said stuff like

            “Yeah but YouTube can’t just do whatever they want on the platform…”

            Hopefully Threads will be the wake up call for the masses.

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        Because they can’t bear to touch grass for more than 2 days and can’t live without their power trip

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          That’s fair. I was also thinking how you can potentially whip up your own instance if you become unhappy oth your current one. Or if you don’t like the moderation of a community you can start using a similar community on a different instance. There is a lot more freedom of choice here!

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            If an instance owner could think of imaginative ways of funding or if Lemmy adds things like purchasable awards for funding (I know… I can hear everyone’s eyes roll collectively) then Instances could even pay moderators if they really wanted to.

            Lemmy can be whatever it wants to be.

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    Oh damn, that’s us!!

    We’d wondered where the nearly 1.9k subscribers came from completely out of nowhere!

    So, yeah, a lot of people are hating on us for creating one of Kbin and one on Lemmy, but we had our reasons: Basically, neither handled images very well and we saw that these two services did basically the same thing and that typically leads to the weaker project getting cancelled down the line, so we decided our safest bet was just to make one of each, just in case. Better safe than sorry.

    We might consolidate them later, but for now just pick whichever you like best. :)

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      Just want to say, “it’s been swell, but the swelling’s gone down” is a fantastic turn of phrase that I will be stealing

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        It wasn’t the way images uploaded, it was more that kbin’s image previews absolutely skullfucked the aspect ratio of anything that wasn’t roughly in a 3:4 aspect ratio, making a bunch of deeply touching photos look like goofy funhouse mirrors.

        We were like, “Shit… Is… Is this on purpose? Are the people behind kbin some kind of weirdos who believe in 3:4 aspect ratio supremacy??” so we thought, “Eh… Maybe we’d better make a Lemmy too, in case kbin doesn’t figure their shit out”.

        Because, honestly? Our faith in humanity was at an all-time low and we were running out of time before people began leaving reddit for new platforms. Throw everything against the wall and see what sticks, right?

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          It wasn’t the way images uploaded, it was more that kbin’s image previews absolutely skullfucked the aspect ratio of anything that wasn’t roughly in a 3:4 aspect ratio, making a bunch of deeply touching photos look like goofy funhouse mirrors.

          I can only suggest to use mobile app. So far I don’t see any problem with image handling on mobile app. On desktop and mobile browser you might want to use voyager https://vger.app

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      Are you going to merge/consolidate the topics/posts from each of the two servers with each other, or just keep two sets of posts/topics, one on each server?

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        We probably wouldn’t delete it, just leave a link at the top explaining we’ve migrated and lock it so it isn’t accepting new posts.

        I wouldn’t want someone who submitted a treasured photo and got a bunch of positive feedback to lose it forever in the name of ruthless efficiency.

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              Well I didn’t make that, I found it. Reddit used to have a bunch of these too. Anyway I saw someone ask the admin of the server to incorporate it and make it available if you went to old.Lemmy.world. He said maybe. @ruud please?

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      To add to that, there was a bit of a time limit in which we had reason to believe we needed to secure the name so that it wouldn’t be taken by certain persons and then just sat upon with no activity.

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    That’s pretty daring of them to do, they’re risking their severance package by so publicly making their former employer look so bad. Oh wait…

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    I’m so happy to see this community join us here, especially not being a mega-community with the same icon. We know the one on here.

    I feel the more niche communities migrations will have a bigger impact. That something like politics or whatnot wouldn’t. Like even Fuckcars is here, because Fuck cars.

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        I was told it was more about designing the world around not needing them and having walkable cities and/or more public access and use of busses and other public transportation.

        But also I see some people are very …uh… “Cars are evil and should all be destroyed and you should walk everywhere! Stop living in the country go find a city house so you can walk everywhere!”

        It’s hard to tell which one is the main point anymore.

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          When some movement says ‘Fuck X’ then maybe we should just give them the benefit of doubt and not immediately assume they mean ‘destroy X immediately and completely, and all those plus their kin who support bloody X’ but might be okay with ‘gradually replace X with a solution that’s proven to be less destructive and harmful’

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              Emotional intelligence can also mean to not assume the worst about somebody using swear words. If I say ‘Fuck cars’ I don’t mean I want to engage in sexual intercourse with a motor vehicle. It also doesn’t mean I don’t want to ever use a car again and expect the same of you. It just means I’m not too fond of a society built on car ownership.

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          Hey don’t forget those who think cars are sexy and want to literally fuck them. Carsexual erasure is real.

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            So long as no ones judging. Sometimes you just want to wrap your lips around the hot tailpipe while the engines running and you drop your ass like you’re trying to commit a one-person mass extinction event on a dildo.

            It’s my auto-erotic ass fixation.

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        It’s not literally about hating cars, but about car centric infrastructure being a problem. Which is “fuck car lobbies and the shit they caused in the search of profits go up”

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            I remember them cheering on whoever was stabbing suv tires in the UK a few years ago. They were hoping for it to spread to other countries regardless of the circumstances of the vehicle owner. I don’t know if the community has cleaned up since then.

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              It came to Boston and they did the same thing. Quite frustrating considering how walkable and bike friendly Boston is.

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          Car centric infrastructure benefits those with…cars. And as cars are the primary method of transportation, it make perfect sense to design our cities around this idea.

          Transportation is the lifeblood of communities. Without roads and cars they literally cannot exist. If you remove roads you kill the community.

          Unless you have a new method of transportation that is better than cars, keep your fantasies in your head. You want to walk go right ahead.

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            It doesn’t benefit those with cars as much as it forces you to get a car to benefit. Cities that don’t focus as much on car centric infrastructure are more pleasant to drive through.

            You’re conflating cars with transportation in general. When I say car infrastructure, I don’t mean close every road off so nobody gets in or out. Nobody does.

            Look at cities where they prioritize the pedestrian and public transport. They’re so much better to live in and get around.

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              Cities that don’t focus as much on car centric infrastructure are more pleasant to drive through.

              You know what makes a pleasant drive? Getting where you want to go quickly, and without stops. And we accomplish that by accepting that cars are always going to exist. We must throw out the ridiculous notion that bikes aren’t pedestrians. They are not worth building out completely separate infrastructure which is the only way they are happy. They refuse to cooperate and share pedestrian infrastructure which is the obvious solution. They are selfish and pretend they are saving the world by making cars drive slower and stop more. One biker can cause more incidental pollution than if they just drove there instead and didn’t slow everyone down.

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                If you think the biggest obstacle when you’re driving around isn’t other cars you’re delusional. You’re the reason “just one more lane bro” memes exist

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                  Not so much cars, but the drivers. This ‘safety first’ methodology that the DOT uses only serves to create bad drivers. Driving is inherently dangerous and we cannot design that out with roadway changes. We need to remove licenses and actually mean it. We need repeated testing for everyone, not just the elderly. If the police did anything but ticket speeders to generate revenue driving might actually get better. It only takes one asshole to ruin the flow of an entire interstate for miles. And they receive no punishment for slowing other people down who are going about lawful business.

                  PS. Induced demand is mostly myth. Building more lanes is how we gain more bandwidth. Even if the speed doesn’t increase the throughput will and that means more people getting where they want to be. That is how you reduce congestion.

                  https://www.cato.org/blog/debunking-induced-demand-myth

                  https://urbanist.co/busting-four-biggest-myths-induced-demand/

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        We sold out our quality of life to the car companies back in the period after WW2. We could have cities like Amsterdam where everyone is biking and walking but instead large swathes of the country spend days out of their lives every month stuck in traffic for their commute.

        I personally like cars but also I wish I didn’t need to drive everywhere.

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          Sold out our quality of life? People would be spending weeks out of their lives commuting to work and back without cars. There are no perfect solutions. Only trade-offs. And no I would rather not live in a dense city where I’m stacked on top of other people. However, if I could telecommute to work, I’d prefer that, but I know working from home isn’t for everyone either. We don’t need one size fits all solutions.

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            Simply isn’t true. Look up some YouTube videos of Amsterdam’s transport system. Biking and walking is faster than using a car because of the way they designed the city. And people aren’t “stacked on top of each other” any more or less than cities in the US where there is much heavier traffic.

            After WW2 US wanted to increase industrial base so we invested heavily in cars. Highways everywhere and spread out suburbs.

            It made sense at the time but now we see nearly 50,000 dead annually and millions stuck in traffic at any one time. We’re selling out our citizens for a little extra $$$.

            There is another way. We can still have cars but cars don’t need to be the priority in terms of transportation systems. Biking to work in 5 to 10 minutes is 100x better than sitting in traffic for 45.

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        Those two summing it up pretty well. Furthermore, it’s the reliance of individuals’ use of cars. Public transportation tends to be praised by that community in contrast from my view, but public transportation is by no means a feasible options in parts of the United States especially outside larger cities.

        I’d check out [email protected], I usually just consume memes but they have some articles getting posted as it gains traction.

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            I take a train to the city, and I bike to the station whenever I need to go into the office. The amount of disabled folk I see that could not transport themselves otherwise because a car is requisite would shock you.

            The point of their community is improving public transport so it isn’t as car centric and a requirement to participate society.

            I don’t see exactly how that’s “commie” to strive for a more democratic society.

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    Welcome to LemmyVille it’s nice here we have

    • dietary advice
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    I love accidental renaissance one of my favourite subs x

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    Their heart was at the right place… But they didn’t really understand federation huh. Splitting their communities like that is asking for less engagement and more user confusion. Just create it on Lemmy, interact with it using your Kbin user, and then it will federate and you can still provide the Kbin link if you so desire.