It doesn’t matter, these dumbasses aren’t interested in a realistic examination of Biden’s policies. They’re just salivating at the thought of another Trump presidency under the delusion that another four years of far-right rule will definitely make the proletariat realize that overthrowing the government is the only way forward, unlike the last four years of far-right rule.
Man, it’s not about liking or not liking Biden. It’s about understanding what realistic paths are ahead. Would it be great if we had someone other than Biden? Yes. Would any other US presidential candidate react substantially differently to this crisis? No.
Just stop obsessing over that choice. Criticism of Biden isn’t a way to demotivate voter turnout, it’s a way of activating political engagement outside of electoral politics.
It’s a shit choice and everyone knows it - so why should we be beating each other over the head with it when there are better ways to engage with the issues? Going around the internet whipping leftists into line to support the least-fascist option is a waste of everyone’s time, and it has the side-effect of minimizing leftist stances. That there aren’t alternative candidates that would handle the Israeli occupation differently shouldn’t dissuade us from being loud about critiquing his handling of it.
Sure, you have fun with the idea that engaging in a circle-jerk about how Biden is literally a genocidaire definitely doesn’t affect the electoral realities on the ground, and that definitely numerous leftists on here aren’t already loudly declaring that now they’ll NEVER vote for GENOCIDE JOE. Obviously pretending that this isn’t a moderation of previous US support for Israel and that non-support of Israel is a non-starter due to over 70% of the voting population being in favor of further support to Israel definitely won’t affect turnout.
I don’t know if you’ll be wringing your hands comfortably in front of your television set in a second Trump presidency or if you’ll be in the camps with the rest of us, but I doubt you’ll have any self-reflection on this stance in either case.
I get that you’re frustrated, possibly fearful, of Biden’s low approval and the risk of a Trump presidency. There are plenty of ways for Biden to win more progressives over, he just has to decide that preventing a trump presidency is more important than maintaining the status quo.
The only person responsible for that possibility is him.
I get that you’re frustrated, possibly fearful, of Biden’s low approval and the risk of a Trump presidency. There are plenty of ways for Biden to win more progressives over, he just has to decide that preventing a trump presidency is more important than maintaining the status quo.
Every act of winning progressives over also has a cost of alienating non-progressives which, despite the repeated claims of some commentators, are not actually anywhere close to a majority of the Democratic Party, much less the country as a whole. The idea that all Biden has to do to win the election is become super-progressive ignores that the country itself is not super-fucking progressive. Would I love it if it was? Sure. But we work with reality how it is, not how we fucking wish it to be.
First poll I found says 65% rather than over 70%, but the overall point remains
That poll was conducted back in October. A hell of a lot has changed since then, hasn’t it?
Every act of winning progressives over also has a cost of alienating non-progressives which, despite the repeated claims of some commentators, are not actually anywhere close to a majority of the Democratic Party, much less the country as a whole. The idea that all Biden has to do to win the election is become super-progressive ignores that the country itself is not super-fucking progressive. Would I love it if it was? Sure. But we work with reality how it is, not how we fucking wish it to be.
It isn’t the responsibility of progressives to build a winning coalition for Biden, that’s his job. Whining about how progressives dislike him and may not vote for him isn’t going to change their minds, if anything it will entrench their view that the Democratic party stands against them.
The far-right and far-left resurgence hasn’t happened in a vacuum, it happened because the last 50 years of austerity has left the majority of American’s behind. If you’re looking to the last 50 years of politics as the basis to assert ‘progressive candidates can’t win’, then you’re ignoring the political landscape as it exists right now.
That poll was conducted back in October. A hell of a lot has changed since then, hasn’t it?
… no?
It isn’t the responsibility of progressives to build a winning coalition for Biden, that’s his job.
Thanks for ignoring the entire point which is that further moves towards progressives further endanger Biden, the only viable current candidate against Trump. But hey, I’m sure your purity politics will be great comfort when LGBT people are being herded into camps, and you can say, “Well, I didn’t want to vote for GENOCIDE JOE!”
calling me delusional is a personal attack. it’s inappropriate in this community. if you have a rebuttal to I have to say you can articulate it in the context of the validity of ideas.
If someone says that switching to the gold standard is viable, that’s delusional, and should be called out as such.
If someone says that an independent without an independent support base and no established political experience who has jumped several parties already has a serious chance at the presidency, that’s delusional, and should be called out as such.
… because begging the question is a form of circular logic rather than an assertion that a contrary position would be disqualifying to one’s chances, realistically speaking?
Our realistic examination is Biden committing full on indiscriminate genocide of men women children and little babies.
Biden bombing hospitals that are now confirmed to have no Hamas bases underneath them. Biden bombing schools full of little girls and murdering more than two full classrooms of people at once last night.
Biden didn’t bomb shit and you talking like that shows how little you understand of the situation.
Blame him for continuing 70 years of US foreign policy, blame Israel for what they do with it. Disagree with the current situation and constructively advocate for something better.
Or… submit to Godwin’s law and show everyone how little you understand the world around you.
Genocide Joe has been a self proclaimed Zionist for at least 50 years.
Biden is the guy removing all weapons restrictions so the IDF can bomb hospitals.
Biden is the one lying about 40 beheaded babies and Hamas bases underneath hospitals.
Biden is directly responsible for this Genocide. Just like Netanyahu isn’t shooting the gun himself but only gives the command, is responsible for Genocide.
You cannot claim Genocide Joe was just following orders when he is the one making the orders.
He has fulfilled every definition of Nazism if you replace the word Jews with Arabs. Godwins law becomes inevitable.
Conservatives really think they’re clever with that one. Like I’m not a fan of the current policy whatsoever, but placing the blame for the situation in Gaza on Joe Biden is insane. These morons have to be trying to get trump reelected, which we both know means the atrocities in Gaza will only get worse.
No one denied the tragedy of the situation. I simply pointed out repeating a stupid nickname demonstrates an ignorance of 70 years of foreign policy that has stretched across administrations of both parties.
Now you’re calling me names like cultist. Are you implying republicans don’t support Israel and haven’t waged wars to remake the region Pax Americana?
It’s so sad that all you have is whataboutism isn’t it? And the worst part is that Genocide Joe isn’t even the lesser of evils anymore. He is now the worse evil.
Genocide Joe is the person able to stop this. Instead he removes all war crime restrictions on the weapons and protects israel with all his power. He is actively committing mass genocide.
A reminder that Genocide Joe has killed more than twice as many civilians than Putin in Ukraine already.
Not to mention the amount of children murdered by this barbaric Zio Nazi
Get outta here with this nonsense, knucklehead. This is just some ignorant stream-of-consciousness word salad. The US hasn’t killed anyone in Ukraine or Gaza and you know it.
These astroturfing campaigns are so obvious these days…
It doesn’t matter, these dumbasses aren’t interested in a realistic examination of Biden’s policies. They’re just salivating at the thought of another Trump presidency under the delusion that another four years of far-right rule will definitely make the proletariat realize that overthrowing the government is the only way forward, unlike the last four years of far-right rule.
You will have biden and you will like it
Only if you’re lucky. There’s only two realistic outcomes. And while neither is ideal. One is definitely worse.
Man, it’s not about liking or not liking Biden. It’s about understanding what realistic paths are ahead. Would it be great if we had someone other than Biden? Yes. Would any other US presidential candidate react substantially differently to this crisis? No.
Just stop obsessing over that choice. Criticism of Biden isn’t a way to demotivate voter turnout, it’s a way of activating political engagement outside of electoral politics.
It’s a shit choice and everyone knows it - so why should we be beating each other over the head with it when there are better ways to engage with the issues? Going around the internet whipping leftists into line to support the least-fascist option is a waste of everyone’s time, and it has the side-effect of minimizing leftist stances. That there aren’t alternative candidates that would handle the Israeli occupation differently shouldn’t dissuade us from being loud about critiquing his handling of it.
Sure, you have fun with the idea that engaging in a circle-jerk about how Biden is literally a genocidaire definitely doesn’t affect the electoral realities on the ground, and that definitely numerous leftists on here aren’t already loudly declaring that now they’ll NEVER vote for GENOCIDE JOE. Obviously pretending that this isn’t a moderation of previous US support for Israel and that non-support of Israel is a non-starter due to over 70% of the voting population being in favor of further support to Israel definitely won’t affect turnout.
I don’t know if you’ll be wringing your hands comfortably in front of your television set in a second Trump presidency or if you’ll be in the camps with the rest of us, but I doubt you’ll have any self-reflection on this stance in either case.
Where are you getting this figure, exactly? Last I heard, only 33% of registered voters approve of Biden’s response to this issue.
I get that you’re frustrated, possibly fearful, of Biden’s low approval and the risk of a Trump presidency. There are plenty of ways for Biden to win more progressives over, he just has to decide that preventing a trump presidency is more important than maintaining the status quo.
The only person responsible for that possibility is him.
50% of the population disapproves of Biden’s response to any issue due to him being Biden. First poll I found says 65% rather than over 70%, but the overall point remains
Every act of winning progressives over also has a cost of alienating non-progressives which, despite the repeated claims of some commentators, are not actually anywhere close to a majority of the Democratic Party, much less the country as a whole. The idea that all Biden has to do to win the election is become super-progressive ignores that the country itself is not super-fucking progressive. Would I love it if it was? Sure. But we work with reality how it is, not how we fucking wish it to be.
That poll was conducted back in October. A hell of a lot has changed since then, hasn’t it?
It isn’t the responsibility of progressives to build a winning coalition for Biden, that’s his job. Whining about how progressives dislike him and may not vote for him isn’t going to change their minds, if anything it will entrench their view that the Democratic party stands against them.
The far-right and far-left resurgence hasn’t happened in a vacuum, it happened because the last 50 years of austerity has left the majority of American’s behind. If you’re looking to the last 50 years of politics as the basis to assert ‘progressive candidates can’t win’, then you’re ignoring the political landscape as it exists right now.
… no?
Thanks for ignoring the entire point which is that further moves towards progressives further endanger Biden, the only viable current candidate against Trump. But hey, I’m sure your purity politics will be great comfort when LGBT people are being herded into camps, and you can say, “Well, I didn’t want to vote for GENOCIDE JOE!”
cornel west has been outspoken about having a different political stance on this.
Would any other realistic US presidential candidate react substantially differently to this crisis?
Cornel west
Thinking that Cornel West is a serious candidate or has anything vaguely resembling a chance at the presidency is nothing short of delusional.
calling me delusional is a personal attack. it’s inappropriate in this community. if you have a rebuttal to I have to say you can articulate it in the context of the validity of ideas.
If someone says that switching to the gold standard is viable, that’s delusional, and should be called out as such.
If someone says that an independent without an independent support base and no established political experience who has jumped several parties already has a serious chance at the presidency, that’s delusional, and should be called out as such.
Being offended doesn’t change that.
Tell me how this isn’t begging the question.
… because begging the question is a form of circular logic rather than an assertion that a contrary position would be disqualifying to one’s chances, realistically speaking?
… do you know what begging the question is?
“No other realistic candidate has a contrary view on this issue” -> “Their contrary views disqualify them as a realistic candidate”
Seems pretty circular to me.
Strawman, and that is in fact not what circular logic is.
That’s not circular logic, and thinking it is reflects a serious lack of understanding of what circular logic is supposed to describe and criticize.
Just relax and try to enjoy it
Lol
Our realistic examination is Biden committing full on indiscriminate genocide of men women children and little babies.
Biden bombing hospitals that are now confirmed to have no Hamas bases underneath them. Biden bombing schools full of little girls and murdering more than two full classrooms of people at once last night.
Maybe it’s time you step into reality already.
Biden didn’t bomb shit and you talking like that shows how little you understand of the situation.
Blame him for continuing 70 years of US foreign policy, blame Israel for what they do with it. Disagree with the current situation and constructively advocate for something better.
Or… submit to Godwin’s law and show everyone how little you understand the world around you.
I think they understand just fine and are just trying to muddy the waters.
Genocide Joe has been a self proclaimed Zionist for at least 50 years.
Biden is the guy removing all weapons restrictions so the IDF can bomb hospitals.
Biden is the one lying about 40 beheaded babies and Hamas bases underneath hospitals.
Biden is directly responsible for this Genocide. Just like Netanyahu isn’t shooting the gun himself but only gives the command, is responsible for Genocide.
You cannot claim Genocide Joe was just following orders when he is the one making the orders.
He has fulfilled every definition of Nazism if you replace the word Jews with Arabs. Godwins law becomes inevitable.
… is “genocide joe” in the room with you right now?
Conservatives really think they’re clever with that one. Like I’m not a fan of the current policy whatsoever, but placing the blame for the situation in Gaza on Joe Biden is insane. These morons have to be trying to get trump reelected, which we both know means the atrocities in Gaza will only get worse.
Liberals denying genocide the same way that Trumpists deny the Holocaust. Really sad to see the amount of brainwashing Americans have accepted.
You are as much of a cultist as a Republican.
No one denied the tragedy of the situation. I simply pointed out repeating a stupid nickname demonstrates an ignorance of 70 years of foreign policy that has stretched across administrations of both parties.
Now you’re calling me names like cultist. Are you implying republicans don’t support Israel and haven’t waged wars to remake the region Pax Americana?
everyone is responsible for their own actions, including genocide Joe. and slave state Joe.
It’s so sad that all you have is whataboutism isn’t it? And the worst part is that Genocide Joe isn’t even the lesser of evils anymore. He is now the worse evil.
Genocide Joe is the person able to stop this. Instead he removes all war crime restrictions on the weapons and protects israel with all his power. He is actively committing mass genocide.
A reminder that Genocide Joe has killed more than twice as many civilians than Putin in Ukraine already.
Not to mention the amount of children murdered by this barbaric Zio Nazi
Get outta here with this nonsense, knucklehead. This is just some ignorant stream-of-consciousness word salad. The US hasn’t killed anyone in Ukraine or Gaza and you know it.
These astroturfing campaigns are so obvious these days…
Do your benefactors know you’re talking shit about them?
Your benefactors know I’m talking shit about them
https://youtu.be/j_qJiid6l1k?t=42s
Here I thought Israel was its own country, turns out it was just Biden all along.
They’re not a country they are a military colony.
lmao
If none of the neighbours recognize a country it’s not a country. Palestine is a country. Israel is an Apartheids occupation force.
You’d be up there in Russia calling Crimea Russian owned territory because they colonized it with military force for a few years.
With the exception of Lebanon Israel is recognized by all of its neighbours