Well, as we know, Jerry’s personality attracts teenagers
Makes “The Shoes” awkward to re-watch.
Why is she discussing my footwear???
🔥 🔥 🔥
there it is
Wait wtf gross
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Seinfeld (scroll down to personal life)
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Is this called “Masking”?
I recently heard about “masking” and thought it was something everyone did.
I just recently started recognizing how autism has affected my behaviors and life in general. This is masking.
It is indeed called masking
And it is indeed something everyone does to varying degrees.
While true, I feel like pointing that fact out only does one thing, diminishes the fact that it’s a problem for those with a disability.
I first heard that term here on Lemmy with regards to ADHD and man it’s so weird that it never occurred to me that that was likely what I was doing and why almost every second of my existence feels like I’m trying to avoid getting caught for something. I think it’s probably so ingrained now that the ‘mask’ is grafted on to me and I’ll never be able to stop masking, it’s just second nature, but it kind of feels a bit better to look at it as an explainable coping mechanism that I developed rather than living with the vague sense of being like an alien in disguise on a foreign planet. I also reckon that despite it being perhaps a shame that I’ve felt the need to mask, I don’t think it’s entirely irrational. It’s undeniable that it’s useful and helpful to be ‘normal’.
I also reckon that despite it being perhaps a shame that I’ve felt the need to mask, I don’t think it’s entirely irrational. It’s undeniable that it’s useful and helpful to be ‘normal’.
There’s a large discussion here and the answer will be different for everyone. What does masking cost to you? What do you gain by masking? Can you choose to mask just a little bit for a large return, or is it something that is going to wear you off long-term? Are you overestimating how much of a stigma you’ll suffer for not masking in a given place?
Most people mask at least a little bit, and they probably should. There are plenty of times when I want to reply to someone by retorting something cruel, and doing that would probably be expressing my true self, but would that be useful or well deserved? Then again, if maintaining eye contact costs me a lot of effort, doing it 10+ hours a day is going to be brutal. My conclusion is masking the bare minimum with close family and friends, and coworkers I have to talk to daily when I’m not performing a social task that gives me responsibility over them (for example, if I’m reviewing their work). If it’s a short exchange with someone I barely know when I’m not tired, or I’m talking with someone whose favor I need (such as negotiating a mortgage), I’m far more likely to put in more effort. As a general rule, the more time you have to spend with someone, the less you should mask. If you’re neurodivergent and share plenty of time with some specific coworkers, getting them to understand that your natural way of expressing yourself is different to the majority of people should be required workplace accommodations.
For myself as I unpack and work with my masking I’ve found there’s a lot to be said about the intentionality of the process.
I’ve found a lot less stress and mental strain from conscious and deliberate crafting of masks than in previous times when masks developed ‘naturally’ or without the knowledge of my ASD. Those times when I knew that friend groups couldn’t cross streams because I was an entirely different person around different people.
I guess a way to put it is rather than having a bunch of separate masks to select from and put on I try now to have layers to put over my actual self. Like different parts of a scene on tracing paper that make a different picture depending on how you stack them. But still all the same pieces and the same face underneath.
Fake it til ya make it.
To a certain extent yeah. Everyone “masks” in a sense that they may show different parts of themselves to different people, or act differently around different people. You save the weirdness to your friends and family and present a more “normal” image to strangers and acquaintances.
However, for neurodivergent people, masking is much more extensive and hides different things. Often these people will hide their autism, ADHD, etc. from everyone or most people. There is considerable effort to hide their symptoms.
Neurotypical people hide the fact they like mayo on pizza while Neurodivergent people hide the fact they struggle to understand facial expressions or social cues.
Yeah it’s basically masking. It doesn’t always look like this but it’s basically noticing that your brain wants to do X but you’ve learned from experience that society prefers when you do Y instead of X. So you pay attention to anytime your brain thinks about doing X, catch yourself before you do it, and then do Y instead. It can be unpleasant sometimes because X may be something that you feel a compulsion to do, or that helps you regulate your emotions.
And it’s exhausting having (or feeling like you have to) to process every thought:
- should I do/say this?
- will they find it appropriate?
- how should I do it?
- what should I do instead?
Or just doing/saying the thing without thinking bc, well, ADHD…. And then realizing, oh that’s right, I just met these people, probably shouldn’t say things like that, they’ll think I’m crazy/aggressive/controlling. Did everyone’s vibe just change? What do they think of what I just said? Can I recover?
Reminds me, writing work emails or messages is a nightmare, cuz I’ll go through the above process prospectively and keep revising until I’ve got a message that basically sounds like chat gpt wrote it. Maybe I’ll just have chat gpt reword my messages for me, and save a bunch of steps.
I was acting like a bloated insufferable entitled man-child. It’s called “musking.”
What is the DEAL with irrational social norms? I don’t want to touch your hand. Why do you want to “shake” mine?
Stims, Jerry!
Jerry Seinfeld is likeable?
Yeh
I always thought he’s phony.
Maybe because there are a lot of phonies who pretend to be Jerry.
I too find this surprising
Oh hell yeah, I’ve heard this over and over again over the years. I thought he would be cringy - but I would be wrong.
Whenever I tried imitating somebody else’s personality to fit in I ended up feeling very insecure. What worked far better is cultivating bits of my own personality and being more selective about the type of people I want to fit in with.
I had a friend in school who liked to imitate people. Except he was always using the same voice and body language when he was imitating. So you knew he was trying to imitate someone, but you had no idea who that was supposed to be, and it was very funny. I told him that, one day, and he was shocked by the realization.
My wife does this when she’s quoting texts or emails from people lol
My experience growing up was that I had personality traits that were strong since birth (and still are today), and every other traits that I developed as I aged and experienced life.
In these growing years, the people I looked up to, the artists I liked and any other person that had something interesting to me all had an effect on my personality because I replicated the things I liked about these people.
So reading the green text, he probably did the same thing with Jerry and it became a part of his personality.
Yeah you can ship of Theseus yourself into a more enjoyable person that way, but still stay mindful of the individual parts you’re taking.
The first thing I ever consciously took was my friend’s laugh. It was just so open and joyful, and I really admired that part of him. Anyway thanks, Eric. I love it.
Actually the ship of Theseus is a really interesting way to think about your personality
amen
Why does everything have to be autism and larping?
Can’t it be yeah I like this show and this character so sometimes I make similar jokes or act like him, he has inspired an aspect of my personality.
It’s coded language, anon is just severely socially inept.
Wonder why that is
I just go thru life like I’m playing a CRPG. Ask people about themselves incessantly. It looks like people like to talk about themselves. And they also liked people who asked them to talk about themselves. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
People LOVE talking about themselves. You’ll be thought of as an excellent conversationalist if this is your manner, and you may end up learning lots of interesting tidbits about life and people, which will make you even MORE interesting later on. It’ll give you a “storied life” personality.
Just remember that it’s okay to expect your friends to trade off with you and ask you all about your feelings etc. You don’t want to turn into the neighborhood shrink (unless you do lol)
So this is NOT normal? I’m a Frankenstein ('s monster (fuck off)) amalgam of various tics, mannerism, and attitudes that I’ve seen expressed by people I admire.
Do regular people just roll the dice on their personality and go with it? What if they roll a bad personality?
I have ADHD and I personally wish I could adopt some personality traits from people I find admirable!
I’m just so me all the time even when I try very hard to be aware of myself and how I’m presenting.
So impulsive.
I get that feeling too, honestly. Like when I’m in front of a group of people I sometimes wish I could shake the nervousness that seems to rise from nowhere at all, but unfortunately I’m trapped as myself, fumbling and sweating through some softball “so tell us about this project” question 🙈
I read that as Frankenstein’s monster truck and dibs on the band name.
Granted
It took me a long time to realise this is not normal. Most people just do this stuff instinctually. It’s why I’ve always found people so much effort.
isn’t this just the Frasier greentext without the effort?
this is kinda sad. motherfucker is gonna be really depressed in a few years when he realizes he has to pretend to be someone else to be liked.
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I larped as a confident person for a few years and it just became my natural state of being.
Life’s all about pretending. The economy and its money, for example.
Politicians and their facades
I’ve seen this exact same post years ago but from the other perspective and the guy was watching Colombo.
I remember a similar post where someone introduced their autistic cousin to Frasier only to meet the guy some time later and see that he had basically turned into Frasier.
Thank you for reminding me of that one. I had to go look it up and read it again.
Someone did this with the main character in Drive and the rest of his life was trying to stop anyone he knows from seeing the movie themselves.
Doesn’t the character in drive have basically 0 personality?
Found Bizarro Jerry
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