Direct action is super based.
They know that Trump is Bibi’s best friend, right? And electing him will triple-down on the genocide?
They know that, right?
Right, so Biden should get no criticism for supporting genocide because the other guy does it more? Seems democrats can get away with anything by simply not being trump.
That is unironically what every pro-genocide centrist wants.
pro-genocide centrist
How fucked is your country when this is a thing
I fear that the answer is “not as fucked as it will yet become.”
Op never said Biden should get a pass. The question is why protestors aren’t ALSO disrupting Republican events at the same magnitude and frequency.
Removed by mod
I didn’t say Trump, I said Republicans???
Removed by mod
Sigh…
Because a Republican isn’t the president.
Sigh. Yeah no shit. The point is why not both? Holy hell why are all these replies still about only one or the other. Yes Biden is president, he should be protested. You all get a cookie. The Republicans are also a major part, a painful part, of the government. THEY TOO SHOULD BE PROTESTED. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills gif
Because Republicans aren’t in charge of diplomacy right now, that’s a responsibility of the president.
they’re not saying they would vote for trump, either
that sounds like a good reason to continue petitioning biden. what’s the problem
I keep wondering the same thing.
Then start telling Biden to stop sending weapons to israel instead of victim blaming.
Well stop wondering and ask yourself if you’d rather Biden stop sending weapons to Israel or lose to Donald Trump.
false equivalency. Biden demanding a ceasefire in Gaza will not lose him the election. In fact, it may win it for him.
When the left and right extremes agree, what does it mean?
The left does not agree with the genocide that centrists and their republican buddies have always wanted.
Actions speak louder than words, and their actions show that they are more than okay with genocide. They are actively and enthusiastically supplying Israel with the ammunition to conduct this genocide. Even going so far as to side step Congressional barriers to fucking send that shit.
Biden is only “the left” to people who vote R.
Joe Biden and the leadership of the democratic party are nowhere near left. Centre right at best.
They know that, right?
They’re mostly the tiktok generation who can barely read. Critical and logical thinking are pipe dreams.
Gonna be a hard life for them.
Democrats should not be supporting genocide, nor dismissing and alienating those that oppose it.
Democrats should not be supporting genocide
Good thing they don’t then isn’t it?
Saying there is one doesn’t make it true.
There is a war, it’s brutal and will get worse before it gets better. If it gets better.
Palestine doesn’t even have an army. What war are you talking about?
This is more a “special military operation” as retaliation for a terrorist attack. Because this ain’t a war, it’s a massacre of mostly innocent people. I mean… they’re literally targeting children. And the ambulance trying to reach them.
Palestine doesn’t even have an army.
It just happened to have 24 battalions of Hamas terroists I guess eh?
Good news is 18 of them have been eliminated. Won’t be long now until the objective is complete.
Ok, if they were confining that to Hamas maybe it would be good news. But how many Palestinians were “eliminated” on the way to delivering you your “good news”. How many dead children? How many doctors, teachers, drivers, grandparents have been eliminated to bring you this good news?
I just don’t think that Israeli lives are any more or less important than Palestinian lives. So murdering 30,000 Gazans doesn’t seem like remotely good news to me.
But then again I’m not a bloodthirsty bigot.
But how many Palestinians were “eliminated” on the way to delivering
Thousands of people died in the allied Dresden bombing campaign in WW2, by design.
Hundreds of thousands died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Doesn’t make the allies any less just in their fight. They did what was needed to win decisively.
Wars not pretty but often it’s necessary if you want to live.
I just don’t think that Israeli lives are any more or less important than Palestinian lives.
Sounds like complete pacifism. Is that correct? Is there a war now or at some point in history that you supported?
Good thing they don’t then isn’t it?
It would be a good thing if they weren’t gaslighting genocide deniers as well, but here you are.
Saying there is one doesn’t make it true.
Denying it doesn’t make it anything other than genocide. You just want to support genocide without pushback.
There is a war, it’s brutal and will get worse before it gets better. If it gets better.
It’s genocide and nothing else. Downplaying it is genocide apologia.
Removed by mod
They’re not my party. They actively fucked over my guy Sanders.
They are only better than the alternative fascists Republicans so they have my vote.
Unless bullshit like women being forced to birth dead babies appeals to you then they’ll have your vote as well. Things can always get worse beyond your wildest imagination.
Did you look at the picture of the protesters? You think those people are GenZ?
Centrist Democrats can’t justify their support for genocide because there is no justification for supporting genocide. But since they don’t want to stop, we get the Greatest Hits of Centrist Dismissals.
Removed by mod
So much of the dismissal of those who are opposed to the genocide that centrist Democrats support boils down to “I’m old. I assume you’re younger than me and are therefore wrong.”
Exactly. It’s just Boomers who are obsessed with getting their way. Then they turn around and tell us that we don’t know how to compromise. The best examples they have about “compromises” they have made are things like “Biden stood with a picket line!” or “He tried for student loan forgiveness.” They genuinely feel like those were material compromises on their part despite neither one having any impact on their lives in any way. It’s fucking pathetic.
Centrist Democrats didn’t want student loan forgiveness because of course they didn’t, while progressives wanted student loan forgiveness because it helps people. Biden listened to progressives. When the Supreme Court agreed with Centrist Democrats and struck down Biden’s first attempt at forgiveness, he kept trying.
I’ve been screaming for years that Democrats need to listen to progressives and not give up forever at the first setback. Biden did exactly what I wanted on student loans: he listened to progressives and kept trying. I cannot fault him on that issue.
There’s a whole host of other issues I absolutely will fault him for. I agree with your other example. Centrist Democrats keep trying to give Biden sole credit for the UAW’s hard work because he held a photo op.
Removed - civility
I’m mid 30s so technically a millenial. Also I’m a progressive and voted for Sanders while you were playing with your fidget spinner in middle school.
Note the source of the poll. YouGov. They’re reliable and as I said that was one example. Every poll shows it’s young people.
But sure cling on to anecdotal evidence and call people you disagree with boomers. That’ll get you far lmao.
Every poll shows it’s young people.
Are you calling yourself “young people” then? Your own poll shows 43% of Millennials believe genocide is being committed.
I’m saying they’ve been “educated” by Tiktok, AKA brainwashed.
Nationally, 48 percent of U.S. Millennial and Gen Z could not name a single one of the more than 40,000 concentration camps or ghettos established during World War II. This number is reflected in individual state outcomes, with an astounding 60 percent of respondents in Texas, 58 percent in New York, and 57 percent in South Carolina, unable to name a single camp or ghetto.
56 percent of U.S. Millennial and Gen Z were unable to identify Auschwitz-Birkenau, and there was virtually no awareness of concentration camps and ghettos overall. Only six percent of respondents are familiar with the infamous Dachau camp, while awareness of Bergen-Belsen (three percent), Buchenwald (one percent) and Treblinka (one percent) is virtually nonexistent.
When asked how many Jews were killed during the Holocaust, 63 percent of Millennials and Gen Z did not know six million Jews were murdered.
A fifth of Americans ages 18-29 believe the Holocaust was a myth, according to a new poll from The Economist/YouGov.
https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4349815-poll-americans-holocaust-myth/
Small sample size. I look at the polling data. Those claiming there’s a genocide skew young in every poll.
Good. You didn’t answer my question. My guess is you’re a Boomer who thinks everyone younger than 65 is a child.
Removed by mod
I guess harm reduction is a foreign concept here.
If you want more children to die vote for Trump. If you want less children to die vote for Biden.
There will never be a canidate where 0 children die.
It really is that simple.
“Democrats should not be supporting genocide”
“ZOMG YUO WANT TRUMP!!!”
Harm reduction would be Biden stopping the sale of arms to Israel instead of sidestepping congress to sell more weapons for the slaughter.
Removed by mod
Fucking disgusting.
Welcome to reality. Did someone tell you it would be pretty? Shame on them.
Young people don’t have enough Stockholm Syndrome yet to be blackmailed into voting for Genocide.
Takes years of doggy training to get a voter that far gone.
deleted by creator
All these mental idiots in this thread equating criticism of Biden to supporting Trump are the reason why nothing ever changes.
Bet you its the same people who voted for Biden in the primaries instead of a real leftist/progressive like Bernie Sanders.
If Imran Khan sitting in jail sending messages to his voters via a fake AI version of himself can garner enough votes to defeat the militarily backed opposition in Pakistan, there is no excuse for why democrats can’t be at least forced to listen to their constituency instead of running yet another corporate shill and then crying when they lose elections again because said corporate shill actively funded a genocide
Wow get a load of these Trumpist chuds.
Brooks brothers riot vibes
How?
In what kind of way is trying to get a president to change his mind on helping to destroy Gaza and its people anything like bringing in a bunch of Young Republicans to stop counting legitimate votes in order to steal an election?
Like, even just on vibes alone… how?
according to democrats…
if you didn’t vote for Joe biden, you were a trumper
you were supposed to hold your nose and vote, then pressure him on policy.
but not now, I guess. wait until he’s out of office?
By making it clear that if the Democrats support Genocide they will not get voted for.
You can blame the DNC for this. Stop blaming the victims
“It’s a false flag by antifa and the feds” vibe.
He’s been trying since the start.
Biden also emphasized his view that “a military operation in Rafah just really cannot proceed without a credible and implementable plan for ensuring the safety of and support for the more than 1 million people that are now sheltering there,” the official said, adding that they simply had “nowhere to go.”
Biden and his team have also been irritated by Netanyahu’s public rejections of a two-state solution, long a lynchpin of American policy in the region.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/12/politics/biden-netanyahu-israel-gaza/index.html
The Biden administration has placed a particular premium on Israel reducing the number of civilian casualties in its military operations. The U.S. urging seemed to have some effect in recent days, as Israel began to withdraw some troops from northern Gaza and moved to a less-intensive campaign of airstrikes.
Israel has been not just uncooperative, but also openly hostile toward some smaller American requests, such as when Blinken pressed Israel to turn over the tax revenue it collects on behalf of the Palestinian Authority, which Israel has refused to do.
https://apnews.com/article/biden-netanyahu-israel-palestinians-gaza-fe150c19cdcc4737f4a9e22a695490ed
He circumvented congress to sell Netanyahu weapons to be used for genocide, but trust us, he’s slightly miffed.
“Please stop using the bombs I’m selling you” -Genocide Joe
Removed by mod
And you are a master projectionist
I’m sure Biden is working tirelessly until the early bird special at cracker barrel to figure this all out. He won’t stop until dinner specials are half off.
Removed, rule 3, civility.
Biden knows he has the power to stop this. He stopped Netanyahu’a bombing in 2021 with one phone call.
If he isn’t getting it stopped it’s because he doesn’t want it stopped. And that’s without even getting into the fact that he’s still sending them bombs. You’d think that would be the first thing to stop.
Netty is an authoritarian so he knows squeezing bidens balls on this is a “victory” for himself regardless if Gaza is decimated
Here’s my take that no one asked for.
Most of these people do not know about the horrors going on in places like Yemen or Myanmar. And if you tell them about them, they don’t suddenly feel a need to rush out and start pressuring others for a cease fire.
To me, this means that most don’t personally care about what’s going on in Palestine, they’ve just been told what to feel by social media which has filtered all Israel/Palestine information through a megaphone. These people flitter between one cause after another, never forming their own opinions or taking the time to view things objectively. They just wait for what the internet tells them they should feel and act on it.
Yeah, that’s an incredibly shitty and nihilistic take. People only have so much bandwidth, so while yes, there does seem to be public responses to what’s based on the news, people are at least having the right reactions to it. Would you rather no one say anything? What would that say about our society and culture as a whole if they were okay with blatant genocide when it was broadcast in front of him?
And here’s the thing, we don’t really have any ties to Yemen, or Myanmar, but we DO have direct ties to Israel. In fact, if it weren’t for the US involvement and the alliance with Israel, they never would have been as advanced and powerful as they are now. The US President has a direct influence to what is going on in Gaza, and if he wished it, he could have immediately put a stop to it. But he didn’t. He is putting pressure on them now at least to start minimizing the civilian casualties, but it never would have happened if it wasn’t for people protesting like this. These people are some of THE ONLY ONES that are out there and making a direct change, and your minimalizing their efforts and success.
I find it incredibly ironic how you try to paint these people as being ignorant, when you yourself have shown just how ignorant and unabashedly jaded you are at people’s attempts to help.
Edit: Previous post got posted twice. Sorry.
The US President has a direct influence to what is going on in Gaza, and if he wished it, he could have immediately put a stop to it.
Israel enjoys some American cash but don’t think for a second it has power over them.
At the end of the day Israel is ranked 29th in GDP and it has 400 nukes. No outsiders can tell them what to do, not even the Americans.
Israel never would have gotten there without US assistance. The US wanted a strong foothold to the middle east and thus enabled Israel by giving them almost $4 billion per year. They are literally a core element of the US’s entire Middle East policy.
We had to work with someone in the area, better to do it with those who scored higher at understanding reality and rational thought.
Our other options were to trust those who worship a pedophile that married a 6 year old and raped her when she was 9. They will also behead you if you draw said pedophile with a crayon.
Not exactly the type of people you want to be allied with.
Judaism has some weird shit as well but I don’t have to take my shoes off at the airport because of them nor do they get all beheady when you wanna make some cartoons about Yahweh so they’re already streets ahead in my rankings.
Israel enjoys some American cash but don’t think for a second it has power over them.
Then there’s no reason that Netanyahu can’t carry on with his genocide without our help.
If the US put a carrier group in the med and said either you stop or we stop you, Israel would stop.
Oh really? Hasn’t worked on the Houthis and they’ve been actively striking them for months.
Aside from that nuclear powers don’t have direct conflicts for obvious reasons. If the US even thought about it Israel would remind them of the Samson protocol.
The Houthis are a rebel group used to hiding in caves while bombs fall. Apples and Oranges.
And anyone who is using nukes to cover for genocidal actions needs to lose those nukes ASAP. We don’t let Iran have nukes because we consider them unstable. If Israel is really willing to bomb the entire middle east just to keep killing civilians then they are demonstrably less stable.
hiding in caves while bombs fall.
You honestly think the IDF couldn’t do better? That is massive cope lol.
And anyone who is using nukes to cover for genocidal actions needs to lose those nukes.
Well shit. Go take them then. Be the first one to ever do it and get your self in the history books.
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
Removed - civility, attack the ideas, not the other users.
Removed by mod
Are you 12?
>Glad that you think the Yemenis and Burmese are not human
this is as bad faith as you could be
I was excited. I thought I might learn something new about the conflict in Myanmar. Then this came out…
as we are all members of the human race.
And now I pity you.
that’s a lot of assumptions about what these people are thinking
Lmao the left has been trying to get the government to stop helping the Saudis in Yemen for a decade. And Myanmar was literally headline news.
Do you know about what’s going on in Sudan right now?
Ethiopia?
Somalia?
Sri Lanka?
Tao Tao?
The Sahel?
Haiti?
Mozambique?
Democratic Republic of Congo?
Mexico?
Pakistan?
Chad?
If we have to tackle every conflict every time we want to denounce one actor in one conflict; we’re going to be here a long time.
Most of these people do not know about the horrors going on in places like Yemen or Myanmar. And if you tell them about them, they don’t suddenly feel a need to rush out and start pressuring others for a cease fire.
Countries around the world erupted in protests against Israel and in celebration of the attacks on Oct 7th before Israel even responded.
The answer is quite simple, they hate Jews. The reason those other issues don’t elicit a reaponse boils down to no Jews no news
Removed by mod
You sure you weren’t being racist and promoting israel’s Genocide?
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
It’s a “gotcha” word. If Sanders or AOC said genocide, which AOC danced around it without saying it, the media would destroy them.
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
My end game? Pressure Biden into dropping his support for Netanyahu’s genocide.
Removed by mod
He circumvented congress to sell Netanyahu weapons to be used for genocide. That’s a more reliable indicator than the words of a politician.
Removed by mod
I did answer. You didn’t like the answer because it wasn’t unquestioning support for the genocide you’ve always wanted.
I think you have created a false dichotomy here where you seem to claim that the only two options are “Biden said explicitly that he supported the Israeli genocide in Gaza” or “Biden does not support the Israeli genocide in Gaza” when it seems self evident that more than those two options exist.
Yes, get the orange man elected instead. I’m fairly certain a core platform of the GOP is to stop brown people dying and to stop selling military hardware.
Straw man, nobody is saying to vote for trump
Not a straw man, it would be the consequence of continuing to protest by interrupting Biden’s fundraising.
If only there was one thing Biden could do right now to salvage those key voting blocks in multiple battleground states he barely won in 2020…
Nah it’s the people who are wrong.
GOP literally blocked the the largest immigration reform proposed by Democrats in history because they can’t let it happen while Biden is in office. If you think the GOP is anything else except an entire party of traitors and turncoats, I have a bridge to sell you.
Okay, and?
Nobody said anything about the GOP.
Well I had to infer what the person above was referring to since they posted an inane comment devoid of detail or thought.
It’s a Simpsons meme in text. He could just stop sending aid. Literally that one thing would ensure his reelection.
Good old Kremlin propaganda. How is it genocide joe??? Sounds like kgb talking points.
Hello Sen. McCarthy. How’s hell this time of the year?
I wouldn’t be surprised. But damn does he have to open himself up to criticism like this during an election year? And to defend (checks notes) the world’s most obvious induced famine genocide since the Holodomor?
What is his upside here?
Removed by mod
Democrats should not be supporting genocide.
They’re absolutely right to be upset, and your dismissal of them is both disgusting and completely unsurprising.
you are so much more articulate than me.
They can protest, but to disrupt the fundraiser is the stupidest thing they can do. And democrats do not support genocide - they do not think that what happens in Gaza is genocide.
If they don’t think it’s genocide they are choosing to turn a blind eye.
I disagree. The situation is not simple and one sided. For example, I can easily say that if you are for immediate cease fire, then you are for Hamas staying in power. And Hamas does openly state that they would like to destroy all Jews in Israel and Israel itself, and in fact were showing how they would do it by recent events. Basically Hamas official policy is Jewish genocide. So, that makes you genocide supporter, right?
I can easily say that if you are for immediate cease fire,
“But did they CoNdEmN Hamas?!” has gotten quite worn out. The answer is… nobody except Hamas is for Hamas. Most people have condemned hamas. Most people are not for Hamas, and that argument only holds water with people that have already decided to support genocide.
Hamas’ official policy is to accept the 1967 borders and a two state solution. It seems like you have a problem separating reality from propaganda.
Hamas continues reflecting legitimacy of Israel, it never recognized it. Read any encyclopedia entry on Hamas. Sure, they would like to get all the land according to 1967 agreement, but they do not promise to recognize Israel even then.
I reject the legitimacy of Israel. It was built on terrorism, won a few wars, had a chance to create a stable solution and passed, and is now an Apartheid state at best.
Not recognizing Israel doesn’t mean anything else. It’s the diplomatic version of pretending someone is invisible.
Removed by mod
That “source” dives straight into debunked Israeli propaganda. From repeatedly claiming Hamas took control of Gaza by force to repeating the debunked claim about beheaded babies. Then it ignores anything written after the year 2000.
It buries the fact that Hamas won election more than ten paragraphs down. As if to provide the author a defense of having mentioned it.
They also completely neglect to mention Hamas won that election on a moderate platform and was immediately attacked by Israel, physically and politically, for doing so. When the result of a moderate, anti-corruption, party winning is an immediate de facto declaration of war, I don’t see how anyone can objectively claim Hamas as the oppressor.
Now to the current situation. Israel should be dissolved. The commission of a genocide is beyond the rights of any state and is a clear sign they cannot be trusted partners in peace. The only right answer is a UN transition government to a representative democracy that gives everyone rights to vote and bars the military from acting inside the borders of the successor state.
Just gonna say: Hamas’s official policy is that a two-state solution would be enough as accomplishment of their goals. That aside, even if Hamas goes away someone worse will take their place. To steal a random quote from the internet: The next generation of Palestinian terrorists/freedom fighters will think and do things that will make ISIS look like peace-loving hippies.
This is what happens when you give no accountability to an ENTIRE NATION. They devolve into a country of Donald Trumps.
- Hamas can’t empty out entire villages and cities and hand then it to foreigners over the last quarter of a century
- Hamas cannot kick millions of people out of the country
- They can’t powder entire cities with poison
- They cannot carpet bomb
- They don’t have powerful allies
- They once kidnapped people
- Israel has kidnapped more people than that
- Anything you attribute to Hamas, remember Israel as done it worse and on a greater scale
- If this math is not simple to you, seek medical attention
The difference of threat levels of Hamas compared to Israelis is night and day.
So protest, as long as it doesn’t disrupt anything?
Anything? Did I say that disruption was a problem? No. The stupidity is that by their action they make Trump election more likely.
Biden’s support for genocide makes Trump’s election more likely. The protesters want him to stop.
So… why is biden flaking for aid?
Why does the senate refuse to consider a Ukraine funding bill without Israel aid? why do most democrats support funding Israel?
Sure seems like most politicians support israel.
Sure seems like most politicians support israel.
Have a look at this.
@MxM111 that’s the No True Scotsman fallacy.
You’re basically claiming that no one who is “really” a US democrat is calling out the Gaza conflict as a genocide. But plenty are.
He’s claiming that if Democrats support it, it’s not genocide.
Way to distort my words!
If you’re pretending that Netanyahu isn’t committing genocide, your words are already distorted.
I am not claiming that ALL democrats do that. Those who support Israel do not think that this is genocide. Better?
I think the use of word genocide in this context is just scoring easy political points, honestly. What is happening there is not standard situation, but it does not look even remotely close to the genocide where everybody agrees that it is genocide.
It is effectively genocide. While it’s true they aren’t specifically trying to wipe out everyone that’s ethnically Palestinian, what they are trying to do is remove everyone living in Palestine who isn’t Israeli either by murdering them or causing them to flee into another country. That’s close enough to genocide to qualify, particularly when the people murdered by the Israeli army are about half women and children.
Their ultimate goal is the complete elimination of the state of Palestine. Are you seriously going to claim that isn’t genocide?
Uh no. Everyone except the US and friends consider this to be a genocide. The UN definition is easily met.
@MxM111 much better thanks! Sorry for the misunderstanding.
As for political points though, I don’t see why you think no one is in earnest in this context.
The reason I call it a genocide is because in my honest opinion it meets Raphael Lemkin’s definition of genocide. Increasingly I believe it is appearing to meet the definitions used in international law.
I have a longstanding interest in human rights, including genocide prevention. As you can probably see from my post history - especially in @worldwithoutus - I’m interested in a wide range of human rights crises in the world today.
[Genocide] refers to a coordinated plan aimed at destruction of the essential foundations of the life of national groups so that these groups wither and die like plants that have suffered a blight. The end may be accomplished by the forced disintegration of political and social institutions, of the culture of the people, of their language, their national feelings and their religion. It may be accomplished by wiping out all basis of personal security, liberty, health and dignity. When these means fail the machine gun can always be utilized as a last resort. Genocide is directed against a national group as an entity and the attack on individuals is only secondary to the annihilation of the national group to which they belong. 1946. Raphael Lemkin
I can easily see arguments that this situation is not applicable here. Israel stated goal is security, return of the hostages and Hamas destruction. (Hamas on the other side openly state destructions of Israel and Jews “from the river to the sea” as its one of the main goals, i.e. actual genocide). None of this fits into above definition. And while it is true that there are members of parliament from ultra right that want to do ethnic cleansing (but not genocide) this is not official position.
So, again, I will argue that calling this complex situation genocide is an easy political point scoring. Does not help discussion of the actual problem.
@MxM111 I don’t find your arguments convincing. Incidentally, Hamas’s own genocidal intentions are irelevant to the argument about whether Israel is carrying out a de facto genocide against Palestinian civilians.
Out of interest what is the “political point” that you think I, as a non-American from the other side of the world, would even be making?
I don’t even subscribe in here, as I’m not interested in the minutia of US politics, it came up on All. As far as I can tell, unfortunately the bulk of both your main parties support and aid what Israel is doing.
Which right now happens to be a genocide that it’s everyone’s duty as a human being, to try to stop.
can easily see arguments that this situation is not applicable here. Israel stated goal is security, return of the hostages and Hamas destruction.
Who cares about their stated goals? Judge by their actions, and their actions are:
An artificially induced famine, with a quarter of the population suffering from acute food shortage.
Rape, torture and kidnapping (and of course wanton murder) of Gazans in the territories they’ve managed to capture.
Murder of at least more than 1% of the population. More likely much more because the hospitals who are supposed to count dead people aren’t functioning anymore, and there are still people buried under rubble.
Etc etc.
And then they’ve stated that they’ll make fucking “deradicalization camps”. This is official Israeli policy coming from the mouth of Netanyahu himself. Total victory is sounding awfully close to a final solution now.
How does this always turn into what will Trump or Biden do next year about the Gaza genocide? Forget the election, Biden is president now, people are protesting what he is doing now, there likely wont be a Gaza by the start of the next presidential term. They’ve been pushed from the north into the southernmost region, and that region is currently being bombed.
people are protesting what he is doing now
…or not doing.
both. definitely both.
No he’s actively involved
not doing
…meaning Biden is not demanding a cease-fire
Right, he’s bypassing congress to provide the fire
Given the short time table you have in mind what do you think protests will achieve before then?
Ah jeez well theyre all as good as dead, pack it up folks, no point in caring about it. See yall next genocide.
Non answer is an answer I guess.
Deep down I think protesters know nothing they do will stop the war in Gaza. I guess they just plan to keep kicking and screaming all the way because it makes them feel like they’re doing something important.
Shame they were born with empathy i suppose.
deleted by creator
Sounds like you’d rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists and progressives.
Neoliberalism will always rather lose to fascism than compromise with leftism. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
Did they threaten to vote for Trump
Trump’s name is not mentioned once in the story, something you might have learned if you had bothered to actually read it.
Edit: Apparently the downvoters haven’t bothered either.
Are you sure you’re not going to vote for Trump? People like you have such a strong urge to defend genocide that I’m certain you’d fit in very well with that crowd.
Maybe we should be doing something about the whole genocide thing if we really don’t want a fascist to take power in the US. Maybe the blame should be placed on those enabling genocide instead of the people that are protesting against it.
San Franciscan here. Trump also pulls protest crowds when people find out that he’s in the area to get money from the tech billionaires. That said, I don’t think he’s been here for quite a while.
The amount of propaganda absorbtion it takes to reflexively ‘but Trump’ when people are protesting genocide is enough that if you lived in Russia theres a good chance you’d be pro Putin.
Yeah. The idea that the government listens to the citizens is completely unamerican. They should just shut up and vote blue no matter who.
They should just shut up and vote blue no matter who.
…and if they don’t, then they support Russia. /s
Okay, Boomer.
Old yet gold
