He and his parents were among the last in their village to take a Russian passport, but the pressure was becoming unbearable.
By his third beating at the hands of the Russian soldiers occupying Ukraine’s Kherson region, Vyacheslav Ryabkov caved. The soldiers broke two of his ribs, but his face was not bruised for his unsmiling passport photo, taken in September 2023.
It wasn’t enough.
In December, they caught the welder on his way home from work. Then one slammed his rifle butt down on Ryabkov’s face, smashing the bridge of his nose.
“Why don’t you fight for us? You already have a Russian passport,” they demanded. The beating continued as the 42-year-old fell unconscious.
“Let’s finish this off,” one soldier said. A friend ran for Ryabkov’s mother.
Russia has successfully imposed its passports on nearly the entire population of occupied Ukraine by making it impossible to survive without them, coercing hundreds of thousands of people into citizenship ahead of elections Vladimir Putin has made certain he will win, an Associated Press investigation has found. But accepting a passport means that men living in occupied territory can be drafted to fight against the same Ukrainian army that is trying to free them.
This is actually what the Nazis did during WW2. Russia is a fascist dictatorship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkssturm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmacht_foreign_volunteers_and_conscripts
Its also what Ukraine is doing right now, so not sure you what your point is.
Exactly which bit of a foreign country is Ukraine occupying and forcing its citizens to fight for them?
Probably believes the line about Ukraine always having been a part of Russia and its citizens Russians.
I looked through their other posts, their answer was “Russians with Ukrainian passports” so literally yes, they think Russian speakers in Ukraine are property of Russia.
Fuck off fascist
Is there any evidence to support this claim?
His source is Ruzzian media
He’s claiming Ukraine conscripting soldiers for defense is the same thing as occupiers forcing people into the military “because they’re Russian citizens.”
He’s a lying fascist that is pretending not to know it’s a war crime.
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/article-51
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the Kremlin media was pushing that narrative
That ukraine is forcing people to serve in its armed forces? I thought that was common knowledge.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/world/europe/ukraine-military-recruitment.html
No, that Ukraine is forcing captured Russians to fight for them.
I’m assuming you’re a legit Russian troll, because anyone with at least a 5th grade understanding of English wouldn’t need this spelled out for them.
Like I say, you’re either playing dumb or you are dumb. Which is it?
They’re an alt for a hexbear account… so it’s still an open question.
Sorry, what’s that mean, or imply?
Hexbear is an instance full of trolls and tankies that’s been defederated from a bunch of instances.
Other way around my hexbear account is an alt of this one
Who is talking about captured russians, Ukraine is forcing russians living in ukraine with ukrainian passports to fight for them, regardless of whether they want to or not. Im baffled at why this is considered controversial its not secret… Maybe underreported, but it seems people here have really bought into the good vs bad narrative anyway and anyone who dares criticize ukraine or st. Zelensky must be a russian troll. The implication being that russian opinions are to be dismissed because of the nationality of the person?
Well, considering the article is about Russians forcing Ukrainians to fight, that’s what rational people would think you meant by “Ukraine is doing the exact same thing.”
No. Ukraine is not doing “the exact same thing.” Both Ukraine and Russia are forcing their own respective countrymen to fight. Only Russia is forcing Ukrainians to fight for Russia.
If you had a point, then that would be Ukraine forcing Russians to fight for Ukraine, which isn’t true.
But I’ve already given you more than you deserve. You are clearly a sad Russian troll who is just doing his best not to get fired.
Good luck coming up with a response to this, I can’t wait to see how jumbled and illogical it is.
If you had a point, then that would be Ukraine forcing Russians to fight for Ukraine, which isn’t true.
But it is? They are literally forcing people no matter their ethnicity or conscientous objections to fight?
Ukraine is forcing russians living in ukraine with ukrainian passports to fight for them
“Belgium is forcing French living in Belgium with Belgian passports to fight for them”.
Those people are Ukrainians. Russian speakers were the first to volunteer and fight, btw. If you think that speaking a particular language at home means that you want to live in a fascist empire that happens to speak the same language I suggest you check your leftist credentials as they have become null and void.
Zelensky himself is a native Russian speaker, btw.
Ukraine doesn’t allow for double nationality, and has the right to conscript it’s citizens, so even if those people felt Russian,if they got an Ukrainian citizenship, they are bind to that. There’s no fucking chance they are conscripting Russian migrants with Russian nationality and passport.
Source: my SO had to lose Ukrainian citizenship when she got her citizenship in my home country, even if mine does allow it.
Not quite, but my understanding they’re expats and the option was fight or get lost.
They arent. ukraine has a large russian minority especially in the east, hence them trying to secede from ukraine and join russia
Fascist scum
More trash from Hexbear, what a surprise.
Stop. Get some help.
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The fact that 40% of the US supports this guy is absolutely fucking bonkers.
They would plead the fifth if they could count that high.
I’d love some sauce on that Ü
Sauce.
“Support” might be a strong word, but they don’t view Putin as an enemy.
They don’t condemn Russia or the US leaders that push Putin’s agenda here - that’s how it’s support. How could it be anything else?
To answer that: political view has more options than condemn and support.
Of course, imo, they should condemn putin, his supporters, trum, biden, scholz, macron and the whole idea of those beeing the options of development of our societies.
But its not helpfull for us to tune in on 2 dimensional, under-complex concepts of social development/politics
I understand your point, but I think the logic you are presenting is what is enabling these people. Ask yourself - what is the nuance in the Ukraine war? Fence sitting, and talking out both sides of your mouth about how we should condemn Putin yet also accept there is nuance to these issues is dangerous. It’s not complicated. If you don’t condemn Putin’s actions, you are implicitly accepting/agreeing that Ukraine should be wiped out.
Putin relies on the populace accepting that there is “nuance” to the Ukraine war. Russia has conditioned (or at least is trying to condition) the population (in the west) into adopting this logic but the reality is that there is no nuance to this issue. What nuance could there be to an aggressor invading someone’s land?
Have you read that I said “of course they should condemn putin …”?
What I’m doing is not relativizing the invasion, but the opinions about it.
It’s a meta level. I’m not talking about nuances of the war, but nuances of political views. The article and the discussion is on that level.
I agree with your call for clear (and plain coherent/realistic) condemnation of the war. Nevertheless this should not be confused with analyzing how many and how and why people don’t see it that way.
Otherwise we give up a better understanding of what people think, which we need in order to find strategies to influence the discours on realities terms. (Reality meaning the reality of conciousness(es) about the war, not the war. That part we already agree on)
Read it back. It kinda seems like all you said was we should criticize both sides, you just listed out leaders instead and hid behind the word, nuance.
You’re not really saying anything of substance. You’re at risk of being so open-minded your brain’s almost falling out.
Maybe, you could’ve just said there were very fine people on both sides
Support seems to plainly be the wrong word. “Not as an enemy, as a competitor” is definetly not “support”. In my opinion calling it that is more than misleading
Oops wrong pic. But I think it also shows how far from this study the claim “30% support putin” is
I mean, I’ve had a couple people parrot the idea that we should be helping Americans instead of helping Ukraine fight against the occupying Russian forces.
If that isn’t supporting Putin, then what is? Is it only support if you blatantly verbalize your support? That’s like the people that think Americans aren’t racist because we aren’t lynching black and brown people in the streets for community entertainment anymore.
I assume that an alternative headline would be “War crime aficionado, Vladimir Putin, to shit on Geneva Conventions again by using POWs as a meat shield.”
Huh, it’s almost like these regions didn’t want to be independent from Ukraine and are being occupied and controlled by Russia as effective colonies. It seems Putin was never able to move out of an imperialist mindset, but I doubt that’s a surprise to anyone except Russia apologetics.
this is so fucked up
You sign up, you get a rifle, you shoot a barrack full of ruzzkie. Seems like the only way.
a army your own enemy, not gonna backfire at all
They dont hand the Ukrainian conscripts any real functioning weapons, if at all. They are used as meat shields and cannon fodder to absorb the limited ammunition Ukraine has.
Of course, that’s why they had to kidnap all these thousands of children.
thousands of people into citizenship ahead of elections Vladimir Putin has made certain he will win
With what amount of law exists there, these regions are a holy grail for I doubt anyone even knows how much people are alive and still there. They may use aproximations circa 2013 to get an easy way to add votes. They probably didn’t count locals with a passport in a short period of time after Sept. 2023 if at all.
It’s weird though that there’s some legalism making them actually get the passport and sign for service themselves. I thought it could be automated. Probably a way to explain their mission here? Look, they take these papers, so we have big numbers to back up the cause and our governor looks pretty on meetings! I’m not sure why’s that so.
That can’t weigh well on Ukrainian forces fighting in occupied territories.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Russia has successfully imposed its passports on nearly the entire population of occupied Ukraine by making it impossible to survive without them, coercing hundreds of thousands of people into citizenship ahead of elections Vladimir Putin has made certain he will win, an Associated Press investigation has found.
Every passport and birth certificate issued makes it harder for Ukraine to reclaim its lost land and children, and each new citizen allows Russia to claim a right – however falsely – to defend its own people against a hostile neighbor.
AP spoke about the system to impose Russian citizenship in occupied territories to more than a dozen people from the regions, along with the activists helping them to escape and government officials trying to cope with what has become a bureaucratic and psychological nightmare for many.
If a passport was issued after that time – it was most certainly forced,” said Oleksandr Rozum, a lawyer who left the occupied city of Berdyansk and now handles the bureaucratic gray zone for Ukrainians under occupation who ask for his help, including property records, birth and death certificates and divorces.
The international organization Physicians for Human Rights documented at least 15 cases of people being denied vital medical care in occupied territories between February 2023 and August 2023 because they lacked a Russian passport.
Dina Urich, who arranges the escapes from occupied territory with the aid group Helping to Leave, said about 400 requests come in each month, but they only have the money and staff for 40 evacuations.
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