Training and experience in the workplace are not a “grade substitute”, they are practical historical indicators of your value in that workplace.
“Many industry certs and paths require at minimum a college diploma which requires a minimum gpa to receive.”
Care to guess what those minimums are? 2.0 is fine kids, get your Cs and coast.
“If you come from a disadvantaged background and have a strong gpa you will have greater college opportunities thanks to that gpa”
Following the misguided assumption about the hypothetical value of which college one attends.
“The subjectives of societal value and individual teachers are just not relevant” - a) if we pretend gpas matter, then obviously the teachers subjectively choosing your grades are relevant. b) if you’re agreeing that grades are irrelevant, then yea, that’s my whole point.
I’d love to hear how you justify someone’s societal value as being irrelevant. Try doctors or service workers. Truck drivers! Please detail how the societal value of truck drivers is irrelevant.
“gpa is just a metric that gatekeeps access” - definitely.
Truckers have to pass a test that evaluates their training and experience; their high school and university grades don’t matter.
Same with doctors, pilots, and everyone else.
You do not need better grades to receive more education or more opportunities. You need training and experience, or money and privilege.
Again, look at the minimum gpa for the opportunities you’re hypothesizing need good grades. Those minimums are low or nonexistent.
Ask your social circle how many of them received a job offer based on their grades.
Ask them how much their grades have affected their careers.
They might privately feel good or bad about their grades because the educational infrastructure they were strapped into for two decades convinced them as students the marks the schools made up and bequeathed their matriculated have intrinsic value, but those letters or numbers did not influence the shape their life has actually taken or the opportunities available to them.
Lol yes. They pass a test about their current work, which, in hs or college, is what you’re tested on there.
You becoming a doctor with straight Cs? No way.
I’m actually at a pub with my social circle and just asked. It’s anecdotal, and preselected, but they all corroborated grades got them their first job, in addition to extracurriculars and during school internships.
I’ve never talked to anyone whose grades got them their first, or any job. What are these first jobs that they needed grades for?
Especially relevant since it’s about half of all jobs have anything to do with what you studied in college.
And yes, you can absolutely become a doctor with Cs, grades aren’t as important as your teachers told you.
Also, software devs? I know one business owner and several software engineers who went to code camp, none of them credit their success to their grades.
Software development is the perfect example of a career in which grades are completely irrelevant.
Like I said, preselected. All my friends are lawyers, engineers and software devs.
You are not becoming a doctor without passing the MCAT or regional equivalent. You are not passing that without being at least being proficient at all your undergrad classes.
Anyway, believe what you want, it doesn’t matter to me. We live in a society, and that society rewards good grades. They don’t matter forever, they matter for the next step.
MCATs, LSATs, CDL licensing and similar exams determine practical training and experience.
Your grades do not prohibit you from taking these entrance exams.
Grades do not matter forever, temporarily, or for the “next step”, they’re arbitrary value judgments that you became convinced mattered regardless of the evidence to the contrary.
I understand you really want to keep changing the goalposts from the original topic of irrelevant high school grades to program-specific required university courses and now pretending that practical on-hands training and experience is the same as your score on a geology quiz, but they’re not.
“AP classes and universities know what’s up.”
Okay, but
“no one ever asked about my hs grades again.”
and then
“no one ever asked about my college gpa again.”
Training and experience in the workplace are not a “grade substitute”, they are practical historical indicators of your value in that workplace.
“Many industry certs and paths require at minimum a college diploma which requires a minimum gpa to receive.”
Care to guess what those minimums are? 2.0 is fine kids, get your Cs and coast.
“If you come from a disadvantaged background and have a strong gpa you will have greater college opportunities thanks to that gpa”
Following the misguided assumption about the hypothetical value of which college one attends.
“The subjectives of societal value and individual teachers are just not relevant” - a) if we pretend gpas matter, then obviously the teachers subjectively choosing your grades are relevant. b) if you’re agreeing that grades are irrelevant, then yea, that’s my whole point.
I’d love to hear how you justify someone’s societal value as being irrelevant. Try doctors or service workers. Truck drivers! Please detail how the societal value of truck drivers is irrelevant.
“gpa is just a metric that gatekeeps access” - definitely.
Truck drivers have a test, you have to pass lol. Doctors too.
The point is the grades get you to the next stage.
Edit.the societal value is irrelevant to my point: if you want access to more education, and more opportunities, you need to get the grades.
What the value to society of that opportunity is is not my point.
Truckers have to pass a test that evaluates their training and experience; their high school and university grades don’t matter.
Same with doctors, pilots, and everyone else.
You do not need better grades to receive more education or more opportunities. You need training and experience, or money and privilege.
Again, look at the minimum gpa for the opportunities you’re hypothesizing need good grades. Those minimums are low or nonexistent.
Ask your social circle how many of them received a job offer based on their grades.
Ask them how much their grades have affected their careers.
They might privately feel good or bad about their grades because the educational infrastructure they were strapped into for two decades convinced them as students the marks the schools made up and bequeathed their matriculated have intrinsic value, but those letters or numbers did not influence the shape their life has actually taken or the opportunities available to them.
Lol yes. They pass a test about their current work, which, in hs or college, is what you’re tested on there.
You becoming a doctor with straight Cs? No way.
I’m actually at a pub with my social circle and just asked. It’s anecdotal, and preselected, but they all corroborated grades got them their first job, in addition to extracurriculars and during school internships.
BS radar going off.
I’ve never talked to anyone whose grades got them their first, or any job. What are these first jobs that they needed grades for?
Especially relevant since it’s about half of all jobs have anything to do with what you studied in college.
And yes, you can absolutely become a doctor with Cs, grades aren’t as important as your teachers told you.
Also, software devs? I know one business owner and several software engineers who went to code camp, none of them credit their success to their grades.
Software development is the perfect example of a career in which grades are completely irrelevant.
Like I said, preselected. All my friends are lawyers, engineers and software devs.
You are not becoming a doctor without passing the MCAT or regional equivalent. You are not passing that without being at least being proficient at all your undergrad classes.
Anyway, believe what you want, it doesn’t matter to me. We live in a society, and that society rewards good grades. They don’t matter forever, they matter for the next step.
MCATs, LSATs, CDL licensing and similar exams determine practical training and experience.
Your grades do not prohibit you from taking these entrance exams.
Grades do not matter forever, temporarily, or for the “next step”, they’re arbitrary value judgments that you became convinced mattered regardless of the evidence to the contrary.
Those are grades! Lol holy shit
I understand you really want to keep changing the goalposts from the original topic of irrelevant high school grades to program-specific required university courses and now pretending that practical on-hands training and experience is the same as your score on a geology quiz, but they’re not.