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Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has banned lab-grown meat, saying he will “save our beef” from the “global elite” and its “authoritarian plans”.
“Florida is fighting back against the global elite’s plan to force the world to eat meat grown in a petri dish or bugs,” Mr DeSantis said in a statement.
The first-in-the-nation law prohibits anyone from selling or distributing lab-grown meat in Florida.
Similar efforts are under way in Alabama, Arizona and Tennessee.
Lab-grown or “cultivated” meat was first cleared for consumption in the US in 2022.
The process of making cultivated meat involves extracting cells from an animal, which are then fed with nutrients such as proteins, sugars and fats. The end product is genetically indistinguishable from traditionally produced meat.
Studies have suggested that eating cultivated meat can cut carbon emissions and water usage, and free up land for nature, compared to eating traditionally produced meat.
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Ah, the ‘global elite,’ who they also call ‘globalists.’ And who are they talking about?
The term is now frequently used as a pejorative by far-right movements and conspiracy theorists, as in the New World Order conspiracy theory;[3] it is associated with antisemitism, as antisemites frequently appropriate the term globalist to refer to Jews.[3][4][5]
He is just a turd.
Remember, that’s just a wild conspiracy. Criticizing the Israeli government’s genocide is antisemitic though…
The way you’ve phrased this sounds like you think there really is a Jewish cabal that runs the world and is ruining it.
I apologize if you thought I was implying that. I am in no way agreeing that there is a “Deep State” or anything to that effect. I was trying to draw criticism to DeSantis’ use of the word Globalists, which does have antisemitic overtones, while the House just passed a bill that could lead to criticism of Israel in any way would count as antisemitism.
Sarcasm on the internet is hard to convey.
Thanks for clarifying, I didn’t understand the comment either. (I did not downvote it, however.)
Gotcha. I understand now.
Sarcasm on the internet is hard to convey.
No, it’s not.
/s
I think the term has no real meaning to them anymore. It’s just another term thrown at anything they don’t like, like “woke” or whatever. I’m sure some definitely use it deliberately, but I think most lack the directed prejudice and just use it lazily as a catch-all for “liberal”.
That’s the whole point of obfuscating it in the first place. If you come out and say “Jews who control the world want to force everyone to eat bugs”, you sound like an idiot. So, you give it a candy coating to make it go down better, and hope a certain percentage will eventually “do their own research” and come to your desired conclusion.
It’s the most strategically sound method you can come up with to perpetuate the conspiracy theories in the modern day. It’s similar to how cults don’t start the recruitment process by walking up to you and going “Hey, want to join a cult?”
The late, legendarily brutal campaign consultant Lee Atwater explains how Republicans can win the vote of racists without sounding racist themselves:
You start out in 1954 by saying, “N*****, n*****, n*****.” By 1968 you can’t say “n*****”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N*****, n*****.”
It’s part of the “other,” which is used to create fear that drives support for their politicians.
Right wing leaders and their propagandists can’t be too specific with concepts because large parts of them are contrived. They don’t need to be specific because their target audience is people who think and make decisions more with emotions, which doesn’t require clear concepts and terms, than reason.
“The left” absolutely does it too, although it’s not as bad.
Whatever they are saying is just a standin for a slur. Look at the tweet about “Baltimore’s DEI mayor” and too immediately see that they are just using CRT, woke, gender ideology, DEI, elite, or whatever new term comes into Vogue next month as a stand in for whatever applicable slur.
whatever new term comes into Vogue
These people are reading Vogue? That’s an interesting twist. I wouldn’t have thought the average Fascist would be all that into fashion. Fashists?
They don’t just turn terms into slurs to rally the morons, they do it to attack the ideological base of their opponents.
“Globalist” became a dogwhistle for Jewish people because fascists pretended to think socialism, which inherently rejects nationalism or loses all meaning, was a Jewish conspiracy. By turning it into a meaningless slur they’re not just turning their base against the idea, they’re making their opponents react to its use as slur.
As it happens, neoliberalism ended up having a different kind of globalist goal, so they got a free 2 for 1 slur against their ideological enemies even though the end goals are wildly different. And, obviously, fascists don’t see the need to explain how the “Jewish conspiracy” is behind both socialism and neoliberalism.
It also just turns people against the concept without understanding what it actually is.
Thus me just last week having to argue with a “socialist” social democrat about how “globalism” isn’t a dogwhistle on an ideological level.
Definitely some of them use it that way. It’s clever in a thuggish way because the implication is that the base is just regular, normal folks.
It’ll be a new culture war thing next week anyway
Also the Harvard/Yale grad complaining about “elites”. Tell me again who gets into those schools? The run-of-the-mill pablum?
It’s nice to know he recognises the elite nature of globalism though.
The ‘global elite’ wouldn’t touch lab grown meat. This stuff is meant to sustain the poor when cow meat production becomes cost prohibitive (it already is without government subsidies).
That’s ridiculous. Every scientist I have ever seen involved in this field says it is about getting people to give up or at least eat less meat for the good of the planet.
Our points don’t disagree. Point #1 The goal is food production in order to sustain a growing population. Current production is ecologically and economically unsustainable. Point #2 The “global elite” wouldn’t be caught dead eating lab grown meat unless they are doing a promo for the “lab grown meat” company.
Personally, I imagine the global elite to be Cypher, enjoying a succulent steak while selling out the rest of humanity to robots.
I can’t wait for lab grown meat to become widely available (in my state at least). I think it’s really cool. Being able to eat real meat without harming animals sounds so futuristic. It’s one piece of future technology that I can actually get behind.
Agreed. I think the environmental impact is much lower as well, which is basically a win/win if prices can compete with farmed animals.
It could, if we could stop giving factory farms subsidies and give them to lab-meat-makers instead.
I’m absolutely not sold on the lower ecological footprint, the same hubub was made about vertical farming and that was either highly expensive or came with a gigantic footprint.
But I sure hope it pans out.
Vertical farm viability scales almost inversely with electricity costs. And the latter trends lower and lower as time goes by. So I’m pretty confident that it’s coming.
I used to build large scale hydroponic farms over a decade ago and they are super efficient at using resources
I don’t think there’s any doubt that it will be Cussler to produce that real meat
Yeah me too.
Even if you don’t care about animals, synthetic will be cheaper, tastier, healthier, and better for the environment.
Honestly the only thing not to like about it is that you don’t like the idea.
I dream of lab-grown bacon. Each piece an identical example of bacon perfection: just the right thickness and ratio of meat to fat.
A law mandating Floridians pay more for their food than any other U.S.citizen. Yeah, I’m sure that won’t be overturned.
Not sure how that’s relevant to my statement regarding lab-grown bacon, but if you don’t think individual states pass laws that make their citizens pay more for things, you’re not very familiar with the U.S.A.
The thing I never got about the plant based burger patties is they try to make it taste like a scrappy beef patty instead of making ot taste good in its own flavor. Like why can’t it just be its own thing like how a chicken sandwich is different than a beef burger
The idea is that you can quickly and easily replicate a flavor you’re used to and remove the animal element. You can also buy it and have a good idea what it will taste like.
But it’s not healthy! Yeah no kidding, when I eat a burger it’s generally not for the health benefits.
Are you referring to plant-based burgers? That would definitely apply to Beyond and Impossible as they add way too much coconut oil, and salt. In other words they’re unhealthy for some of the same reasons animal flesh is unhealthy, although they are still less harmful than their animal counterparts just by lacking the animal proteins.
Pretty much. Although I don’t know of anyone who doesn’t add salt to a burger anyway, and the beyond/impossible burgers don’t need any extra, so I don’t think the sodium content is a super fair comparison.
As others already noted, you can get veggie burgers that taste like veggie burgers. I actually order black bean burgers with bacon and cheese and jalapenos at the cafe at my work, they are so good. Like it much better with black bean burger than hamburger.
I mean, you’re basically describing a black bean burger. The real question is why we still can’t buy like, pre-packaged black bean burger mix or ready made patties easily.
You can, at least in my local grocery stores. Black bean burger patties have been available in the frozen section for years.
They’re a bit of a rip off because they’re way more expensive than a can of beans + spices, and probably an order of magnitude more expensive than dry beans + spices, but they’re usually around the same price as the premade beef patties, by weight.
Damn, guess I just live in an area where they’re not as common then. They’re definitely a rip-off, but then so are all pre-made patties. You pay a premium for the convenience.
If you live near Aldi’s, they have a frozen black bean patty available sometimes. I can’t tell the rhythm or reason to when they stock it, but they are reasonably priced and pretty tasty if ya see em
I don’t think ive ever heard of a black bean burger I’ll have to see if I can make some one day
Some of them are, and it doesn’t take long (maybe a year) on a plant-based lifestyle to start naturally preferring more plant-forward burgers.
Marketing. There’s a dramatically larger target market if it tastes like beef.
It depends how they make them. Some plant based burgers are just made with scraps from soy milk production, look like expired meat and taste like polystyrene or worse while the impossible burger it’s difficult to distinguish with a blind test: the flavor, the texture and the appearance are extremely similar. They even have the fake blood in the middle
The only thing I really dont know about is the texture. If its ground down it will be indistinguishable. But are they able to make steaks that look and feel like actual steaks?
One thing people are afraid of though is being “duped”. In a world where everyone is afraid of deception, they want all the products they consume to be clearly labeled. My partner thinks that they’ve been steadily replacing all meat with lab-grown and just not telling anyone and not labeling the packaging. Like, one day she stopped buying the chicken breasts she’d normally get, saying that “it doesn’t taste right. It doesn’t taste how it did pre-pandemic. They’ve done something to it.”
… Beware.
I mean I have a Christian friend that thinks they have spoken with a spirit and won’t microwave things because of “radiation.” They’re clearly insane just like your partner. The thing is I would never date them.
If my partner is insane, the pandemic did it to her. And how could it not, it killed her dad among several other people she loved.
My partner has weird ideas about things too, but I don’t think people generally worry about this.
Conservative “Free Market Values” at play
Do his supporters really believe hes an “every man” like them, and not literally one of the “global elite”?
They like him because he hates the right people.
He also antagonises the right people.
This law is designed specifically to upset the wokerati.
His supporters love hierarchy. All they want is white supremacist hierarchy. If they are in a middle tier and the bottom tiers are suffering that is their ideal society.
What? Its nothing to do with banning meat - its the message and reason as to why its being banned.
“Ban lab meat because the global elite!” vs “Ban lab meat to support farmers”.
It’s the same line of reasoning with different excuses; I don’t like it so no one should have it.
My comment was literally only calling out his “global elite” remark. Thats it.
Libs are fine with the same outcomes as long as you use the right words. It’s wild.
You’re telling me that motivation matters? Wild.
No that’s the opposite of what I am saying. Material impact is what matters, I don’t give a fuck what words are said.
This is bad policy.
“To fight authoritarianism, the government is going to restrict your dietary choices!”
- Don Insantis
Actual literal double-think
If you don’t want it, don’t buy it, problem solved!
bUt MuH fReEdOmS!?
The only thing that can stop a bad meat maker is a good meat maker?!
A good meat maker with a gun!
Hrm… is that what makes them good at making meat, one wonders!?!? :-P
And it’s not as if you’ll be able to buy it next week anyway. It’s an absolute non issue (should one be among the strange crowd that considers it an issue to begin with) that absolutely requires no urgent action or fanfare.
At the most, there ought be the normal overseeing of foodstuff. But then that’s not what it’s about of course.
What happened to freedom to choose an app?
I don’t get it - an “app”? Did you mean like… an appetizer?! 😁
Tik Tok
Oh. Yeah… while fascists might be good at claiming to fight “for” freedom, they aren’t actually the best at keeping their word on that score:-P.
I didn’t realize the market was so fragile and needed conservatives to control it so closely. You learn something new every day!
Ya, you know, free-market and all that. Exactly what they have been borking up a tree about for decades now.
/s for those that need it.
For your convenience:
The company who’s product they are banning.
Along the same vein, there was another company recently who made plant based blue cheese that was disqualified from a blue cheese contest after they were going to take first.
The cheese was disqualified because it used an ingredient that hadn’t been approved for human consumption.
How is that different from nacho cheese?!??!
Or pop tarts
Yeah, the ingredient is called Kokum butter, from the kokum fruit which seems like it has been consumed in various forms, mostly by people in India and south east Asia for a long time. (Including butter from the seeds) I hadn’t heard of it before.
Do you have a source? This is the first I’ve heard that claim. Seems a legit reason to disqualify something from a “food” competition, but I’d like to verify before judging.
It’s in the Boing Boing article linked in the comment I first responded to.
After initially being named a finalist, Climax Blue cheese was later disqualified by the Good Food Foundation, reportedly due to issues around one of the ingredients (kokum butter) not having GRAS certification.
Thank you!
I did some digging and found this follow up article about the whole ordeal:
Takeaway: the rules got changed a week earlier, and the fake cheese company didn’t switch to their coco butter version of the blue cheese. (Coco butter is GRAS).
The rule change also shouldn’t have been necessary. ‘Food must be edible’ isn’t something that should have to be explicitely written down. Sure, it’s probably safe, but ‘probably’ isn’t really good enough for a food competition.
Eh. I get your sentiment, but there’s a pretty big difference between “edible” and having a certification from the FDA claiming “generally regarded as safe”
The better question is: why is kokum butter not GRAS? It’s sold everywhere. Has no one filed with the FDA?
I have never heard of kokum butter before, and certainly never seen it for sale, so ‘sold everywhere’ is a very regional thing. A quick search makes it look like it’s mostly applied topically rather than eaten?
The cheese is Climax Blue. Going to their site I’d honestly never have thought their cheese was good, it’s basically a buzzword dumping ground. Doesn’t sound like they have much product available currently but if it’s really that good hopefully they can scale up quickly
“Florida is fighting back against the global elite’s plan to force the world to eat meat grown in a petri dish or bugs,” Mr DeSantis said in a statement.
“Force the world” by… Having it as an option.
The party of small government and the free market everybody!
You are part of the elite you stupid stupid fuck
I want lab grown steaks so bad. Why are these ‘Capitalist’ so against the free market?
They always have been. Capitalism isn’t about a free market, it’s about keeping the richest most powerful industrialists at the top.
Imo this is clearly influenced by the meat lobby, National Cattleman’s Beef Association, or the like. They know many people would happily pay for lab grown meat, which would destroy their current market, forcing a costly pivot where they would lose their historic market control.
Whenever weird shit like this happens in the US, it’s all about money and market control and then painted as “protecting you from the EVIL LEFT” or some stupid shit.
I want a steak machine next to my ice maker!
What a cool party of freedom and personal responsibility
So, if the ‘global elite’ are not the 1%, and as seen from this whole Gaza thing, they are not ‘the jews’ (which is what I though Republicans were always coyly referring to when they used that term), who the heck do the Republicans think the ‘Global Elite’ are?
Queer students, the vaccinated, and single moms who have to work 3 shitty jobs to pay rent. Those are the true global elite.
The real mental gumnastic exercise is understanding that they’re somehow both elite and weak beta cuck trash (add whatever other derisions you’d like).
The enemy is both weak and strong.
Anyone who tries to benefit society without concern for profit.
Actually, anyone who tries to do anything without concern for profit.
If you’re not familiar with the Farengi from Star Trek, look them up. It matches Republicans pretty well.
especially including how they treat women.
sorry, “Feeemales”.
Whoevet they do t like at any given moment
college kids with like 50k in debt.
It’s still the Jews, I think.
They just mean the ones that haven’t gone back to Israel where they clearly belong, unlike the nice normal white proper Americans, who definitely didn’t emigrate in from anywhere, and were here all along.
Judging by the laws being passed I’d guess drag queens.
Florida seems to ban something every week.
Florida seems to ban something every week.
Brought to you by the “party defending your freedom”…
and “small government”
Maybe? I mean the big criticism is that it’s just highly processed food at the end of the day and that the process of production is what is the issue. This is of course an argument made by what you may call food purists, who’d rather you spend money on a proper blender than rely on big corporations to form Scop 2.0.
But that’s not what Ronnie boy is thinking about. Oh no. He’s thinking about “owning the libs”, “showing them what for”, and what kind of cretinous, disingenuous bastard he can be. He would gladly invest in something like Scop 2.0 if it made a lot of money, AND performatively ban it in his state if it vaguely had an LGBTQ+ tinge to it.
This is a careful reminder that some states banned solar panels out of spite… because people elect absolute troglodytes to represent them, and then have the balls to talk about “free markets”.
GTFO here with your fake self. In fact, take the whole republican party with you.
I mean the big criticism is that it’s just highly processed food at the end of the day and that the process of production is what is the issue.
Not really? I honestly have not heard anyone argue like this against lab grown meat. The whole point of it is to have more ethical meat that also does not destroy our basis of life through emissions.
There’s no ethical way to kill someone who’s done nothing to you and doesn’t want to die. There’s no such thing as ethical meat.
Edit: I can’t read apparently
I think that’s the point of lab grown meat. If you can harvest the stem cells of a living animal and use those to grow full sides of beef (I’m vastly oversimplifying the process), then no animals have been killed.
Bonus, emissions may be lower depending when comparing typical animal emissions vs the facility that produces the LGM.
I apologize, it’s early. The term ethical meat just annoys me, and I didn’t thoroughly read what I was responding to. While I question the ethics around obtaining the stem cells in practice, I do agree lab grown meat is radically better than taking the flesh from animals.
Save your virtue signaling for someone else.
Which states ban solar panels?
Which governments ban tik Tok?
Pretty sure solar panels are legal in the US, jackass.
Pretty sure Tik Tok isn’t, jackass
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