And yet this is still many orders of magnitude more sane than thinking Donald Trump is fit to be president.
Idiots can be on the left too.
Biden supporters aren’t really left wing though. The left is barely a thing in the US.
Does Biden even have supporters? Or just Trump haters? Who is actually enthusiastic for a second Biden term, rather than a not-Trump term?
Im kinda excited about his cabinet continuing but yeah. Biden could be replaced by one of those novelty singing fish and id be somewhat neutral to it still.
Define le left™
Of course. GMOs and nuclear power
Some of us aren’t against GMOs for being genetically modified, we’re against patents on food.
Some of us also are against massive overuse of glyphosate.
If I could fucking ban pesticides and antibiotics for agricultural use I absolutely would.
You’d probably kill millions of people unless you gradually overhauled the farming industry
Oh no better keep poisoning everyone then!
Well, yes, but also if I actually had the power to make that change I would do it gradually through a market system for exactly that reason. One can dream, though.
One small change, Market systems are prone to market failures. They’re also rather inefficient, because there needs to be inefficiencies or else there’s no profit.
No, the best path to reducing pesticides and the over reliance on fertilizer is regulatory, with people on the ground checking compliance. Our food supply is too important to be left to the inefficiencies and corruption of “market solutions”
I’m also against patents on food but this is a bad argument. GMOs are artificial and can reasonably be patented under the same rules as any other technology.
Patents in general must be abolished.
All two of you must enjoy hanging out together.
Join us!
I’m busy I have to fly to the UK and throw paint on Stonehedge so I can raise awareness about a different pet issue next week.
“I don’t understand nuclear power, therefore it is bad”
Also they had sex symbol Jane Fonda.
What is with the anti-reason luddites and being so good at getting porn stars on their side? Jenny McCarthy is another as well as PETAs small cohort of nude exhibitionist girls.
Maybe the next pandemic WHO should hire a few to do a “vaccines are sexy” promotion. Is that it? The only way to convince people to not die a preventable death is have someone with big tits give them the answer?
GMOs come from the same company that created Agent Orange.
Which ones? There are lots of GMOs out there and they don’t all come from the same company
This guy here asking for facts from the anti-GMO position. Such high hopes for the human race! I remember being young and optimistic.
All of the ones meant to have pesticides poured on them.
You mean none of them?
Hey, buddy what happened to your original comment? Since you clearly respect the truth so very much why don’t you tell the world what you said to me before? I thought it was quite insightful and a good representation of the anti-GMO position. In fact your comments about my intelligence were perhaps the single best, nay the best, arguments against GMOs I have ever seen.
Since you clearly respect the truth so very much why don’t you tell the world what you said to me before?
…so you want me to make the same comment again so it’s immediately removed?
No I want you to admit that your entire argument was a personal attack instead of facts, just like your movement.
I’m not admitting to something that I never said. 5th comment of diversion.
So you are claiming that you never insulted me, yes or no?
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Starting with the personal attack. Very convincing.
Notice how I included actual information along with my message and attacked the subject matter directly instead trying to dissolve the conversation into nothingness.
Notice
I noticed your comment got removed by the mods because you engaged in a personal attack.
Shrug. I thought we attacked ideas here not people. You know, unlike the luddite crowd does.
Haha your comment was removed
Haha your comment was removed
This means I don’t have to defend my made up implications now, haha!
That’s your 4th comment that doesn’t address what I said.
Curious.
Go ahead and tell people what you said
This is what conspiracy theories are supposed be. Absurd insanity. Not “vaccines are bad for you” or “a secret agent with Q clearance wants patriots to overthrow democracy”.
I prefer the “Darth Jar Jar” and “The Bloop” levels of conspiracy theories.
Darth jar jar was absolutely meant to be canon and you can’t change my mind.
It didn’t really make sense to me that he would be right there when the Jedi landed. The Trade Federation has multiple landing locations, which we saw in the movie, how did Darth Jar Jar know which one had the two Jedi stowed away on? Also how did he know that they escaped or would escape? Plus why didn’t he just kill them on route to meeting Anakin?
I so wish it would have been true. I didn’t mind Jar Jar as much as others, I’m old (original trilogy old) and think he was… adequate for comic relief and for the kids, but him being a bumbling Sith would be just perfect. I should look for some fan fic of this
The bumbling bit was the cover. Dude was definitely competent.
It was quite amazing that events always worked out for him
If you count the Lego Star Wars sets, it is canon now :D
Whaaaat?
There will be a short series on Disney+ and a few Lego sets where they basically flip the whole universe on its head. https://www.starwars.com/news/lego-star-wars-rebuild-the-galaxy
Oh so specifically alternate universe stuff. Worth a watch.
Bruh there’s actual supporting evidence for Darth Jar Jar. He doesn’t deserve to be lumped in with the crazy shit!
I miss Batboy and Elvis being spotted in their convertible UFO.
Don’t forget Bigger Luke
The best conspiracy ever conceived was the one that convinced people that conspiracies are absurdist caricatures of the very real threat of collusion.
All these crazy conspiracies just weaken the perception of the mundane real ones.
If I was gonna conspire, the first step would be to trivialize the idea in the first place.
Conspiracy theorists are useful idiots.
Conspiraception
Case in point: A reality TV show called Big Brother, named after the nebulous, terrifying, all-powerful overseer in George Orwell’s 1984, was created specifically to rob the name of its power.
It was originally a Dutch TV show by the hack who created Fear Factor and you are giving him way too much credit.
Its usually not the creators that do the obfuscation, its the people with money picking and choosing the “winners” of Hollywood. One of those factors is name
Okay, but he named the show. So apparently he has secret, conspiratorial plans.
Or he’s just a hack.
Pleasantly surprised he is mentioned in that way.
I stood near him on “conventions” a few times with some years in between and he is such a nasty person both while making phone calls and in the way he treats others/his staff.
Comes over as someone who can’t find any joy in the small things in his life and p*sses on everyone else because of it.
That doesn’t shock me, but I doubt de Mol has any sort of secret conspiracy with the world powers going on.
More like there being chemicals that actually fucked up frogs’ genitals but we only ever heard about it through the lens of Alex Jones and “turning the freaking frogs gay [sic]” https://youtu.be/i5uSbp0YDhc
Alex was just yelling about headlines he doesn’t understand, groundwater runoff affecting water tables is serious news covered a lot. It’s not fun so doesn’t make it to memes.
Alex supports Trump who cut a third of the EPA budget, Biden strengthened the EPA significantly. Things that actually matter get reported on but receive very few clicks, at some point we have to accept we’re responsible and make an effort to change.
Oh, please don’t mistake me as believing Alex Jones is some sort of bastion of truth. While I find it interesting there is truth behind the meme, it’s more upsetting that the manner in which people hear it is still coming from a place of misinformation and bigotry. (Bigotry as in having different genitals doesn’t make you homosexual, yet the claim is that it “turns frogs gay.” Which is why I tossed the sic tag on the quote.)
I was gonna conspire, the first step would be to trivialize the idea in the first place.
Not me. That sounds like way too much work. Spending a century or so running skeptic magazines/podcast/book publishers/blogs/whatyou just so i cam sneak my little thing in.
Be easier to just do it.
“vaccines are bad for you” is extremely absurd and insane, tbf.
It’s vicious and anti-scientific, but it’s not in the same level of obviously untrue statement as good conspiracy theories. Things that were claimed to be safe turning out to not be safe is something that actually happens. They’re just lying that it’s true of vaccines.
It gets absurd enough when you go back to the original claim
“My MMR vaccine is completely safe, but the other MMR vaccine gives your child an upset tummy, which causes autism”
This is why the Denver Airport will always be the best conspiracy.
My favorite conspiracy theory is that Kelly Johnson was read into alien tech at area 51/roswell and he was allowed to reverse engineer it. That’s why he got government funding directly to him, and how he developed the sr71 blackbird so fucking quick
This community is called news. It should include news. Not some trash blog.
Not that I wanted the debate to go the way it did
This is your occasional reminder that the conspiracy nutballs can be on the left sometimes too.
They are not left or right. They are just people that strictly believe everything that has been disproven or is too stupid to bother disproving, as long as ANY thread of correlation can be made up between it and observable reality.
To be fair that correlates with being right wing for some reason
Watch Dan Olsen’s video on flat earthers. I’m having a hard time remembering details but the conspiracy theories are more of a symptom than anything. These people are looking for a community as well as an explanation for why the world is so fucked up, and why they are miserable. Anti-semitism and conspiracy theories are more satisfying than anything the left can provide.
The disconnect from reality combined with being prone to belief without proof.
Dating has taught me this. I’m not sure I like this version of the multiverse.
“It was his stutter.”
“He had a cold.”
“He overprepared and got flustered.”
“A malicious actor used an Inator on him.”
I wonder what the next excuse is gonna be.
“He’s old.”
He actually said on camera that the reason he is running this time is because Trump is running, meaning that if Trump wasn’t running, Biden wouldn’t be running, meaning he doesn’t even really want the job.
The DNC put up a guy that doesn’t even want to be president again, and now 40% of democrat voters want a new nominee because apparently they weren’t paying attention for the last 4 years and only realized now, during the debate, that Joe Biden is dealing with cognitive decline.
No we realized years ago. It’s the entire reason his campaign started the idea that he’d be a single term president. People brought it up after the midterms when he confirmed he’d run again. It’s been in the news and an open question ever since then. According to insiders, the debate was held early specifically to show he wasn’t too old.
Biden and the Party have been aggressively going after critics, accusing them of being Trump supporters and disloyal to the very concept of democracy. Which would have worked if he didn’t shit the bed so badly.
The DNC basically dragged him out of retirement in 2020 because establishment couldn’t handle anyone scary like Bernie or someone young.
I think the debate made it undeniable for a lot of people.
Having a cold is perfectly normal.
Claiming to have beaten Medicare isn’t a cold symptom.
A coldinator! And after the president the whole tri-state area!
so your idea is that people close to Biden are making a conspiracy theory as cover. So your conspiracy theory is that there is a conspiracy spreading conspiracy theories ?
My dude look inside your own house. The conspiracies are coming from inside your own home.
And my prediction came true. There’s already a new excuse. They’re blaming jet lag. When the last time he traveled was 2 weeks before the debate.
Wouldn’t Directed Energy Weapons make him burn and itch so bad he’d jump around?
We have those, we’ve used them in real combat, but they don’t work like that.
In My experience energy weapons turn the victim into a toothpaste like glowing blue puddle.
Your fallout experience also tells you lasers have recoil, so I wouldn’t place any value in that.
Sure lasers don’t have recoil, but I see no reason a laser gun can’t have recoil.
Anything from flywheel energy storage, a lasing medium compressed by pistons, massive magnetic fields created by high currents, who knows what’s inside that thing.
A handheld laser gun has to generate a beam of such unrealistic intensity that I’d be surprised if the power stage didn’t buck in some manner.
Well, technically they do. Just they have about as much recoil as your flashlight does.
Yeah all the mass of the photons being propelled out has a real kick. /sarcasm
No offence to you, at all, but the fact that your comment is a 3:1 ratio makes me sad for the future of humanity.
Oh I’m just a general asshole and some folks realize it enough to downvote me. Pay it no mind.
Depends on the weapon.
I asked a question and I’m legitimately curious, got some sources?
I wrote a whole thing, but honestly Wikipedia does a pretty good job on this one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon?wprov=sfla1
Got it, so what I said stands uncontested. Beam weapons do not work that way.
Oh, sorry, yeah, I thought you were just asking about how those things with in general, not whether such a weapon could make someone confused. Yeah we don’t have anything that works that way.
Yep, absolutely. It couldn’t possibly be that he’s an octogenarian with a known speech impediment, had to be directed energy weapons.
known speech impediment
He had a childhood speech impediment. Overcoming those requires a concentrated effort, which we become less able to handle as we age.
Here’s Biden in 2008
https://youtu.be/eOombKZSsj4?si=hYe3kh-wkM2iemtY&t=1424
Here he is in 1987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRxOldhJ7Sw
In a way what’s happening now is a speech impediment, but it’s re-emerging as he loses ability in the same parts of the brain that handle critical thinking due to the normal effects of aging.
I’m just tired of so many people writing this stuff off. Like, it took 2 minutes to find those videos and show he hasn’t always been like this. He just couldn’t win until the only other option was trump. Even tho he was a much better candidate back then.
Quick edit:
Ironically something like the Havana weapon would actually cause this shit, it’s incredibly unlikely someone used it on Biden for the debate…
But it’s fucking 2024 y’all, who knows what’s real anymore I guess.
Also, allegedly had a cold and probably got flustered after the first time he tripped on his words. And inexplicably kept trying to recite various metrics from memory.
People really underestimate how bad a cold can be. When I’m sick, it’s so hard to function mentally that I can barely do my job.
I believe he was sick, and I believe this was just a case of unfortunate timing. What matters in politics is perception, though, and the perception isn’t good.
I’ll float the possibility that he took a slug of Nyquil™ before the debate, but forgot to chase it with a Red Bull™.
Didn’t he have a stutter when younger?
He’s always had it. But it was probably easier to manage it when he was younger.
If we’re going to go all conspiratorial, here’s my theory:
Both campaigns are dealing with old men with diminished faculties.
There’s some drug cocktail(s) that both campaigns have been using to pep the doddering old farts up for public appearances.
If you’ll remember, very shortly before the debate, the accusation that “Biden’s on drugs” made the rounds, and Trump made some noises about demanding a drug test.
For some reason - possibly fear, possibly determination in the face of a challenge, possibly a subtle communication that the Trump campaign had some hard evidence they would, if pushed, release publicly - that led to the Biden team withholding his customary drug cocktail.
Trump, meanwhile, was dosed to the eyeballs.
And that was the contrast we saw - Trump was on drugs, while Biden, for whatever reason, for that night alone, was not.
Remember - for the Republicans broadly and especially for Trump, every accusation is a confession.
every accusation is a confession.
This is all I could think of when Trump said Democrats would use every avenue both legal and illegal to overturn election results.
I sincerely think it’s broadly accurate - that, for the Republicans and especially for Trump, (most) every accusation is a confession.
There’s a simple psychological element to it, most often illustrated by moralists who rail against perversion of one form or another, only to be revealed to be perverts.
There’s another aspect to it though, and I think this is more often the case with Trump specifically - it’s a way to proactively undermine someone else’s accusation against you. If you can get your accusation out there first, then they end up sounding sort of like a child saying, “I know you are but what am I?”
Or reactively. See the effort to impeach Biden lol
That’s what probably happened.
I mean yeah Trump’s WH had a pharmacy handing out free drugs like fuckin Pablo Escobar.
And Obama hired that Doc while Biden was VP…
He wasn’t an upstanding doctor up till Trump took office, then suddenly Pablo Escobar
Wow, and here I thought he was an old guy with a stutter getting flustered while a fascist fuckwad spewed inane garbage.
“Batshit conspiracy theories…not just for the far right anymore!”
Have you ever been in a TV studio with all the lights pointed at you?
That’s exactly what they are. Directed-Energy Weapons.When people are, they notice.
Biden was exhausted and prepared to follow a debate training regimen that just left him confused. He’s a senior, not an athlete you can train up spryly, he was accustomed to debate in one way and told and exhausted into debating in a way he was not used to.
Fantasy is like rocknroll. It will never die nor reinvent itself
