IIRC, this was posted earlier today on the lemmy.ml instance, and very, very quickly deleted by a mod.
…Which undermines the central claim.
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Sounds like typical conservatives…so…
They didn’t want anyone getting any funny ideas about tankies. Like that they weren’t braindead, authoritarian boot lickers.
I dunno. Have you noticed that the guy is portrayed as a soyjak?
What I mean is that lemmy.ml is an explicitly communist-apologist instance*, and that anything that is supportive of Biden, even when it’s solely about minimizing other harms to marginalized people, is quickly deleted. Comrade Dale is depicted as being a tankie that the soyjack says can’t support Biden.
…But it was deleted by tankie mods, because they can’t support Biden even if the only realistic alternative is many magnitudes worse.
*To be clear, I have no issues with libertarian communism; I think it’s great, and I’m mostly anarchistic myself, even if I recognize that pure anarchism doesn’t scale well to countries. I have a problem with authoritarian communism, and I have a problem with people that would hand-wave all the massive amounts of murder committed by Lenin, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, and many other communist dictators.
i just realized I’ve misread the meme.
tbf its kinda wild OP identifies as a Tankie when he’s capable of understanding lesser evils
you could have stopped two words earlier
I dont see how dropping those two words changes my message much?
Well, the one to the right (probably) isn’t a tankie though, but I approve their actions
Pretty much all Marxists are called tankies at this point, and Grayox is a Marxist. I’ve even seen Anarchists called tankie.
Yet I get called Tankie all the time … interesting.
See that makes it sound like you’re getting called out on much more anti-voting sounding commentary than the above stated point of view
An image that isn’t helped by the fact that the post makes it seem that you are completely oblivious to how often tankies try to start fights defending the choice to abandon the most vulnerable for the sake of some bougie kid socialism accelerationist shit.
I never advocate anti-voting rhetoric, but think any and all means should be used to defend a socialist revolution once it has occurred. The only thing i want ro accelerate is class conciousness, which must be achieved before a revolution can begin to occur, most humans are too brainwashed by Capitalist propaganda for that revolution to be successful.
but think any and all means should be used to defend a socialist revolution once it has occurred.
You would kill and imprison those that would vote differently or disagree with your revolution? That’s exactly why all those revolutions in Russia, China, N Korea etc failed. As someone who Trends anarcho communist I am down for some communism. But you Marxist leninists never learn.
Lmao the Revolution in China didnt fail.
They aren’t socialist anymore. And they aren’t communist now either. They’re state capitalist. That seems to be a solid failure. Even the party isn’t holding regular elections for many of the posts. Xi jinping has moved back into the Forbidden City and is basically their de facto new emperor. Enriching his bourgeoisie friends. While throwing miniscule amounts of scrap towards the proletariat. Sounds pretty failed to me. And likely to lead to heavy class strife soon since they failed the class war. But please do go ahead and continue to flail and cope uselessly.
It’s extremely telling that that was what and how you chose to respond. Not addressing the fact that you would kill and slaughter everyone who disagrees with you.
Bruh i literally identify as a tankie im not naive enough to think we can vote away the oppression of the ruling class lmao
Usually “I want to help spread class consciousness” means just saying “hurr durr both sides same,” which encourages people not to vote, which historically favors the conservative candidate.
Hey, if tankies were gonna vote for Biden to thwart trump, we wouldn’t have a problem. It’s that most that I’ve seen explicitly say they won’t. And they advocate that people shouldn’t. So - i don’t get it.
Lol the post you made this as a response to literally has tankies calling themselves tankies and stating that they will not vote for Biden.
Seethe harder.
Maybe Tankies arent a monolith 🫨
And yet y’all will happily dismiss anybody who is to the right of you (or a different flavour of left from you) as a ‘lib’. 🤔
Buddy, the meme wasn’t about you, clearly. Why are you simping so hard for tankies?
There are non-tankies on lemmy.ml? Stockholm syndrome?
Gaslighters and people who’ve been gaslit into thinking Tankie doesnt mean “Communist who backs/supports Russia and China and how they maintain power” and so have become useful idiots
Edit: Nvm saw more of OP’s comments, they’re definitely a Tankie, and thus very much belong in .ml
Gotta say, I’m confused as to why Dale Earnhardt is in this meme…
Raise hell praise Dale
He was very left leaning. He would vote for Biden to defeat Trump
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As a South American who had to choose between right and extreme right, being a leftist, I completely understand the frustration about voting Biden. And what’s more, agree completely he does not deserve to be voted. But, in order to defeat fascism and with all other cards now played, Biden is the lesser of two evils and taking the moral high ground could result on fascism taking over the USA. I suggest voting for Biden. My two cents…
He’s not the lesser of two evils. Cut this horseshit rhetoric. Biden has done a good job. No-one is perfect but calling him evil is just right wing propaganda both sides bullshit.
Trump is evil. If you want to see evil, vote Trump.
several hundred years ago we had the choice between electing a slaveowner that fucked his slaves vs a slaveowner that didn’t fuck his slaves. Now we get to pick between a genocidal warmonger bent on keeping us all in debt servitude that is pro trans rights vs a genocidal dictatorship that is against trans rights.
Biden sucks ass, stop gaslighting us if you want us to vote for your shithead
When did Biden support genocide?
Failing to do enough to immediately prevent an entirely separate foreign government from conducting its own genocide does not count.
Why would Israel have a hard time getting munitions from any other first-world country, especially when they have the excuse of getting attacked by terrorists?
goalpost moved
Withholding munitions from Israel doesn’t stop the genocide. I’m keeping that end goal in mind.
If I was american I’d obviously be voting for Biden, but ignoring or denying that he’s supporting the genocide currently being undertaken by the Israeli government doesn’t make him look better.
Of course, Trump would support it too, hence the obviously.
I understand where are you coming from. But you honestly believe that a person that enables genocide abroad isn’t evil?
By your logic, every leader of a 1st world country for the last several decades is evil.
I have this conversation every single time I open up lemmy these days…
Biden isn’t enabling a genocide. If the US completely stopped sending anything to Israel, Israel would still be conducting this genocide. Netanyahu said so himself. Israel generates its own war supplies and exports its excess.
The only thing that would change is the US would lose the influence it has left in the middle east and some other (likely hostile) nation would scoop up that spot. That’s the real reason the US is still party to this.
Everyone who believes Biden is evil because they think he has a magic genocide-off button on his desk isn’t paying attention.
By your logic, every leader of a 1st world country for the last several decades is evil.
They are, unironically
The US is one of only a few countries that have voted against the last two UN resolutions. You’re not wrong, but the US government is a special type of evil.
Both the Biden and Trump regimes have also opposed separate UN resolutions against condemning the glorification of Nazism
I’m not saying they aren’t. I’m saying that taking the moral high ground by relinquishing your vote to choose between a number of leaders because you don’t want to vote for someone “evil” means that you are disqualifying yourself from every major election almost everywhere by default.
That’s an enormously stupid take.
Everyone who believes Biden is evil because they think he has a magic genocide-off button on his desk isn’t paying attention.
Who’s been blocking the last two UN resolutions on a ceasefire? Who’s been bypassing congress to arm a genocidal settler state? I’m sure Trump would also do this, maybe worse, but stop trying to pretend your corpse emperors shit doesn’t stink
🙄 Way to miss the point.
Do you understand that it’s possible to hold the belief that what the US is doing with Israel is wrong and also realize that the US can’t independently stop it from happening?
Did you read what I typed or not? The reason the US is still in this is their influence in the middle east. I’m not arguing that corpse-emperor is almighty and correct, I’m saying that geopolitics is a thing.
If we can’t have an actual discussion about this without you putting words in my mouth to paint it like I support that, then I guess this conversation ends here.
I understand and agree. But being complicit and helping the genocide (and basically enabling it by not saying it is one out loud) could be considered evil.
Now, Biden may not be evil. But it’s foreign policy in this regard might be.
Still, the genocide will be carried out. But enabling it does not help. And I say it again. If Biden is evil, it does not matter. It is better than Trump. You do not need to portray him in a good light. He just needs to be supported more than Trump. Vote Biden.
We Argentinians elected a fascist as president. I can and would have got behind the right if it meant stopping this pos.
Say it louder for the people in the back!
Biden is presiding over the most progressive/liberal administration in U.S. history. That doesn’t mean it’s liberal enough but it sure as hell beats any previous administration by a mile.
He’s not the lesser of two evils.
I wish Americans had enough of a heart to give your average Palestinian the same benefit of the doubt as Strom Thurmond’s best friend.
I actually love this model:
Biden supporters: “Unite around candidate Biden or prepare to watch Democracy die!”
Biden detractors: “You guys are nuts! That old bastard can barely put 3 sentences together. I will argue we should have a younger more vibrant candidate like Big Gretch who would wipe the floor with Trump all the way until I vote for Biden’s senile ass on November 5th!”
Biden supporter: “You dumb fucks, Whitmer herself says she isn’t interested and is all-in for Biden! But she’d be a great candidate and I would fully support her if Biden steps down and she was the nominee. But he won’t, so pull your heads out of your asses and support him!”
Like, if we gotta argue, let’s have fun with it and just vote 100% for dems top to bottom on November 5th.
Who is Big Gretch?
Forget reality. Embrace Blue MAGA. Run senile geriatric. Lose because not everyone is in the Blue MAGA cult.
The outcome of this election is either Trump or not Trump, The election system has been specifically fine-tuned over decades so that it strongly favours Trump’s party, despite him having fewer votes overall. There is one other party that is financially entrenched enough to have a chance at being voted, realistically.
Tackling the entire election process to actually catch up to democracies worldwide is a whole different topic altogether and realistically not achievable before this particular election, so if you are talking about preventing Trump via election (before Trump factually prevents being elected out of office during his term), the choice between either Trump or Biden is the reality.
The outcome is Trump or not Trump.
Nowhere does it say Biden has to be the candidate. Biden will only guarantee Trump.
Don’t care who the DNC picks…voting Blue.
That’s great for you let’s hope all other Democrats are mindless drones as well and literally nobody cares about the candidate.
Why even have a primary? Just place a sack of potatoes there and call it a day. Nobody cares who the president is right?
Not mindless, just operating in reality.
Linkerbaan knows the winner is gonna be the Dem or Rep nominee. They just REALLY don’t want to admit it.
“Blue MAGA” is straight up propaganda. If you think these two parties are alike enough to address democrats like that, you either have an agenda or are woefully uninformed.
While true, I can still be pissed off that Dems force me to vote for someone I don’t want instead of offering someone about whom I can be enthused.
You could also look at it as Trump forcing you to do everything you can to protect democracy from collapsing in on itself like a dying star.
When there are people that are still voting, even if it’s not for Biden, I disagree with it, but only politely. It’s still your right as American.
But that isn’t the message going out in so many of these memes. Barely any content encourages any specific candidate, and evokes ridiculous concepts like “A vote for Biden is a vote for genocide” - without putting forward an alt candidate that has a genuine plan to prevent genocide (obviously, Trump is not one).
The reason I’m fine with generally just ensuring people vote, whoever it’s for, is because statistically Democrats win elections that more people vote for. I have faith that genuine, fair popularity contests will go my way.
For Trump supporters it’s more like “Organize, Vote, Racist”.
I don’t know much about US presidential candidates, but maybe all of you can vote for this Brandon person if the other side doesn’t like Biden?
Biden isn’t a “neo-liberal shill” he’s a boring, middle of the road corporatist.
Republicans and Democrats have been moving steadily to the right for the last 40 years. So now, the Democrats are where the Republicans used to be in the 1980s: friends of banks, insurance and pharmaceutical companies. And the Republicans have moved all the way into an insane asylum.
Biden isn’t a “neo-liberal shill” he’s a {exact definition of neo-liberal shill}
It boggles the mind sometimes.
I mean… What else would that mean?
There are dictionaries that tell you what the words “liberal” and “conservative” mean. Quit relying on your own snazzy spidey-sense and check them out.
No, Ronald Reagan closed the asylums so they had to stay in office
It’s either Biden winning or violence at this point. The American political system is slow to adept to change… at least until a constitutional convention is held. The founding fathers being rich white land owning slavers isn’t what is relevant here. It is that they lived in a time that didn’t have the telegraph & trains, let alone stuff like nuclear weapons, nerve agents, space travel, and the internet.
Am I the only one who read the right side in the voice of Scruffy from Futurma?
“Neoliberal shill” who has achieved more leftist policy goals in three and a half years than all US leftists combined have in the last 30.
Undoing fascist rules put in by the previous resident does not count as achieving “leftist policy goals”; implementation of permanent law does.
Meanwhile, people have lost abortion rights, the rule of law has basically been suspended for potential coup participants. So yeah, I’m just gonna say we’re not doing well. Meanwhile, I’m still going to vote Biden no matter what. We’ve already lost the democracy, but I’m going to delay the implementation of the far right authoritarian state for as long as possible.
But abortion rights were lost because people refused to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016.
Do you really feel that this is a relevant thing to say to someone who says they’re voting for biden even if he’s 6ft underground?
It’s a reply button, not a disagree button.
Ok, that made me chuckle
I’m not saying it to you. I’m responding to your comment.
I don’t know whether or not that is true, but it is meaningless without considering what the other hand has also done in that period. You have to consider the net effect, not pick out isolated examples. Has the rate of wealth disparity growth even stopped increasing under Biden?
I get this. Democrats are not left enough for me but all said and done I would love to live in a world where carter had a second term and a gore administration was running things for the top of the millenium and have hilary over trump and who knows she might have surprised us with some good stuff but at the least we would not have left the paris accords which might have done better with gore and no iraq invasion. maybe we would have had a war on global warming.
I don’t know whether or not that is true, but it is meaningless without considering what the other hand has also done in that period.
So you don’t actually know if it’s true but you have vague feelings that it’s not what you want so therefore it’s not true. Ok then.
Can a president realistically control that? They don’t control inflation.
Yes. They can drive party policy goals through presidential policy.
That’s influence, not control. It’s not always effective and parties rarely align.
Semantics.
No. Influence is not guaranteed. Control is. When the question is “why didn’t the president do ____, like they promised?” The answer is often because the opposing party actively voted against it. That’s why it’s a big deal when one party controls all the branches, which is often only for a few years due to midterm elections.
Printing a shitload of money and calling it “inflation reduction” is certainly the wrong way to help.
I agree. Every president back to GWB did. (24 years).
We should burn that amount of money. Which is approximately $19.95 Trillion. Then recoup it from the rich as wealth tax.
That’s a shortsighted take that prioritizes punishing rich people over fixing systemic issues.
Fuck. The. Billionaires.
Don’t let it make you support bad policies.
There hasn’t been anything close to a leftist president in America since FDR.
Ah yes, FDR, who rounded up Japanese Americans and put them in
concentrationinternment camps.Which is a rather interesting parallel to Biden and Palestine, or Biden and US border patrol, or Biden and law enforcement.
All that to say it’s probably not possible to be the US president and not do heinously evil shit, and therefore voting for president needs to be strategic, pragmatic, and nuanced, rather than ideological
There hasn’t been anything close to a leftist president in America since FDR.
How FDR Saved Capitalism | Hoover Institution
During the economic crisis of the 1930s, many expected a socialist revolution. The revolution never came. Why? The man in the White House co-opted the left. By Hoover fellow Seymour Martin Lipset and Gary Marks.
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Lmao i didnt call him a leftist.
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