Some people will tell you, “Well ackshually it was for states’ rights,” but those states wanted to use those rights to enforce slavery.
It strikes me as like the “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument. Like, wow, you’re totally right about the semantics, but at the cost of missing the point entirely.
Also the people kill people thing points to a need for widespread free mental health services which they definitely don’t support.
In my area, they say they support it but in the same breath will say they don’t believe in therapy or medications.
Source: my very Republican family
people kill people
I know! Le’ts ban murder then! That’ll fix it!
(oh wait…)
Honestly as a non american I always thought the point of that statement was that its not guns that kill people its the way you hand them out like candy with the barest excuse for any kind of safety evaluation that kills people.
No, it’s the idea that people who are murderous will kill no matter what… missing the point that it’s harder for them to do that successfully if they don’t have guns.
This is a very good argument for disarming the government.
The truth is that it’s not that easy to get a gun in the USA. It’s not difficult if you’re prepared and are eligible but there are some barriers that will keep a portion of people from getting a gun if they aren’t allowed to own one. The sad fact is, it’s way too easy to get a gun illegally.
When I lived in South Carolina, I had a friend who needed quick cash, he had
: 4 handguns, : a long barrel rifle, : a cross bow, : a shotgun
He asked me if I knew anyone who may want to buy any of it, so I texted a coworker I thought might be interested.
He showed up with around $1500 in cash handed it to my friend, packed it all up in his car and drove away, they didn’t even learn each others names.
The sale was completely legal, and took about 15 minutes.
In many states there are effectively NO barriers to stop people from getting a gun legally.
Dude. It’s pretty fucking easy to get a gun. You walk into a store, say “I’d like that one please”, they take your license and another form of id (literally could be a piece of mail), you fill out a form that says you aren’t a felon like Donald Trump, on drugs like Hunter b, a non-citizen, etc, run the most cursory of cursory background checks, and they hand you the gun.
It can take like 10 minutes.
Its harder and takes much longer to get your car registered than to buy a gun.
The barriers are super low. And if you lie on the form, it’s typically not something people can check/vet and is only used after the fact so people can say “but he shouldn’t have gotten one,! He lied on the form!!”
Its harder and takes much longer to get your car registered than to buy a gun.
Totally depends where you live. New York has some of the most comprehensive gun legislation in the world. It’s essentially impossible to get a permit for concealed carry.
However, it’s quite trivial to obtain a gun illegally, as one can see from the crime statistics. Even though your complaint about the lack of gun control is true in some states, it’s obvious that even the most stringent gun regulations would have little to no effect on the availability of illegal firearms, which are disproportionately responsible for gun violence.
while it does depend on where you live, this thread started with a window licker saying “in the USA”, which sets the bar pretty low. I mean between private sales and gun shows - it’s pretty easy somewhere in the USA.
It should be literally impossible to get a concealed carry license anywhere in the world.
I can go to any weekend gun show and buy as many guns as i want from anyone there with no questions asked. It’s harder to legally own one in several states, but getting a gun somewhere in the US is easy, and if you’re driving back, it’s not like the police have a gun radar to keep you from bringing them home.
Exactly. The Confederate States’ Constitution explicitly mentions and regulates slavery throughout the document.
It was 100% about slavery.
Anyone who says “states’ rights” without mentioning slavery is either an ignorant turd or a racist POS.
It is was not 100% about slavery. It’s worse than that because it was also about the fear of treating black people like political equals, and black men having sex with their pure white daughters.
States rights to do what? (⌐▀͡ ̯ʖ▀)︻̷┻̿═━一-
People kill people with what? (⌐▀͡ ̯ʖ▀)︻̷┻̿═━一-
… and free states were forced to arrest and ship off people who’d escaped slavery.
Conservatives don’t mean things when they say words.
I grew up in the country in the bible belt. I bought the states rights argument for a long time. I was never a Confederacy stan, but yknow sure I get it.
Then one day I actually read everyone’s secession declarations and basically all of them name slavery out the jump. Welp, fuck them. 🤷♂️
Article 1 of the Confederate Constitution says Slavery is a god given right and makes it illegal for any Confederate state to outlaw slavery.
So it actually reduced States Rights.
Congratulations, your kids will be ill prepared for a global world. It’s sad that foreign kids will have a better grasp of American history than Americans
Now that is not really difficult. Most Americans learn little about American history for a start (and even less about some key issues where America had its low points), and nearly nothing about international history.
What American kids learn about WWII is the glory that the Americans have won over European fashism and Japanese imperialism, and how they helped people after the war. What they don’t learn about is how Germany got into the fashism (which has loads of shocking similarities to what is happening with Trump and the GOP at the moment!), or the atrocities that American soldiers and the government did back then.
As an American I learned about the trail of tears, the gilded age, the Haymarket Affair, and the utter failure of the Wilson administration and how it plunged Germany into desperation
What I didn’t learn about was how light our touch was in executing nazi and imperial Japanese leadership. And how instead we chose to back fascists over communists in basically all of Asia and South America immediately after seeing the utter destruction of fascism. Actually I did learn that Ho Chi Minh was democratically elected so I guess I learned some of that, despite attending a Catholic school.
I suspect they don’t learn about the 1001 coups uncle Sam either directed or backed around the world, either.
They don’t learn how the US helped Europe mostly to help the conversion of it’s own overgrown war industry back into a civilian behemoth? By exporting all of its own products instead of rebuilding the local infrastructures? Odd.
Congratulations, your kids will be ill prepared for a global world. It’s sad that foreign kids
willhave a better grasp of American history than Americans.
This is probably the same person who helped get textbooks updated to show pictures of slaves dancing and having a good time 🤮
Imagine feeling threatened by the notion that enslaving people was cruel and bad.
“It was about States’ Rights!”
“Yeah, a State’s Right to what, exactly?”
The top chunk missing from Texas shows pretty decisively how important that “right” was to them.
I guess I’m unfamiliar with this story.
The Compromise of 1850 said that no state above 36° latitude could be a slave state. At the time Texas extended all the way to modern day Wyoming. In order to remain a slave state they gave up all the land north of that. This is why Oklahoma has a narrow panhandle now.
Slavery was prohibited north of 36°30′ latitude by the Missouri Compromise of 1820. So Texas just gave the land north of that to Oklahoma to keep slavery legal.
Congressional majority
I’m an introvert, probably neurodivergent, and was bullied in school. I always thought public schools were not adapted for neurodivergent people and those that could not “fit in the mold”. I thought I didn’t receive enough attention. I always had more questions and were afraid to ask. So in a way could understand why some people would want to avoid that for their children, by homeschooling them.
However, people like in this Tweet are the exact reason why homeschooling in my region (Québec/Canada) is generally frowned upon. It’s always people against vaccination, the religious and ignorants that pushes for homeschooling, and that’s also why it’s very difficult to have the right to do that here. Mennonites are actually leaving the province because of that.
Mennonites are actually leaving the province because of that.
Good riddance.
But damn those boys can run.
How’re ya now?
Good’n you?
Not so bad
runners, every one of em
i wonder why the US is trailing in education
if those yankees could read, they’d be so angry right now.
Two answers to stuff like this:
- What did the Ordinance of Secession or Declaration of Causes (and related documents) actually say? Have them pull up the language of literally any one and search for “states rights” then “slave.” Hint: you’re gonna find one but not the other.
- Knowing more about the revisionism is very useful as is knowing when it’s a waste of your time.
Edit: sorry about the Battlefields link; it’s the easiest aggregate of several even if it also tries to support the states’ rights argument by talking about laws while excluding it was all about laws regarding slavery.
It wasn’t even about states rights, not really. If you read the SC declaration of succession, they talk extensively about the states rights to succeed legally and why in the first 13 paragraphs, then in the 14th they start the explanation of why they are succeeding. It’s about the northern states not returning fugitive slaves, as was the law at the time, and the government doing anything to enforce the Constitution. Then in paragraph 22 they discuss the election of Lincoln and his open opposition to slavery and they were worried about losing the right to have slaves.
Basically, if the government isn’t strong enough or willingly to enforce its own constitution, then they didn’t need to be a part of that government and they had the right to denounce that government the same way they had done with the British government during the revolution.
It’s 100% about slavery and there isn’t
It was absolutely about states’ rights.
… to keep the institution of slavery alive.
And to force OTHER states to return the runaway slaves!
Exactly!
iT waS aBoUt StATes rIGhtS ᵗᵒ ᵒʷⁿ ˢˡᵃᵛᵉˢ
Well, for other states to to respect South Carolina’s property rights (and the property was people).
But these same fuckers balked at northern states passing laws for harboring escaped slaves. So much for state sovereignty.
It was always slavery. They literally thought they’d built the pinnacle of civilization.
People halfway across the world know that the US civil war was about slavery.
yes, but those people haven’t been lied to their entire elementary & high school lives on the topic.
It’s systemic ignorance.
(You can see the same thing in the Philippines about their current president’s history. It’s sad how common it is.)
And this is exactly why homeschooling exists. For the most part of course. It’s people who want a certain view of History taught and don’t want to have to worry about pesky things like facts or history or books. That’s why so much homeschooling is deeply Evangelical Christian, and somehow even the weirder branch of Evangelical Christians if that’s a thing, also why so much of it has Nazi shit involved. Yeah if you’ve never looked it up there’s a lot of Nazi propaganda in the homeschooling community. It’s just great…
That’s… not really homeschooling. The US is so weird. Are there not curriculums (curriculi?) to follow and standard exams to sit regardless of where your education took place? Most the homeschooled people I know lived in the arse end of nowhere growing up and didn’t have another choice.
curriculums (curriculi?)
Curricula.
That’s the word. I knew we had an option. Thanks.
That’s not really true with everyone. I know a fair number of home schooled people and there were taught better than the schools. When you’re in school, you can only learn as fast as the slowest learning. The “smarter” kids are held back. When we were in lockdown from the pandemic, kids could learn at their own rate from the online classes, and half my sons class was done with the semesters curriculum before the first quarter was done. The teacher had to find more for them to do which resulted in half the class jumping a grade when everyone went back to school.
I would let me kid do online schooling in a heartbeat if I could, he’d be miles ahead compared to going to school.
Yeah, strong “No true Scotsman” energy here.
The vast majority of homeschooling parents are absolute weirdos who have no business teaching anyone, especially children.
I don’t want to generalize, nor am I American, so this is probably irrelevant anyway, but as my wife is an experienced spec ed teacher and I myself have also worked in the educational system for most of my life I feel somewhat competent in giving some perspective.
Now, we do live in one of the Nordic countries, and I’ve lived in one of the others as well, and we were both raised bi-lingual (Swedish speaking Finns, to be exact). As my immune system is compromised due to a chronic sickness and I’m also an asthmatic, we decided to keep our son home for quite a while during Covid. My wife works with a relatively small group of pupils (~5) since she’s a private teacher for children with some form of Autism so we didn’t regard that as a really dangerous vector, as they were all masked up due to their own medical issues.
Anyhow, even with all our experience and know-how (and that’s besides the social part he missed) it was a major undertaking to homeschool our boy even for a 6 month period, and he’s a smart boy too. We made most of the material myself except for his school books, and damn if it wasn’t close to a full time job. Ironically we all did get COVID (and I survived, to my surprise) about 2 weeks after he went back to school.
His handwriting had improved a lot though, and he were several chapters in front of the rest of his class in math. He’s also almost a year before his peers in English, which means he speaks three languages almost fluently at 10 years old.
So, tl;dr: you’re not wrong, but it is possible. Exhausting, but possible.
Edit: typos.
As a homeschooler who’s not that and has a group of other not thats, you’re right that many homeschoolers do it to restrict or provide incorrect education but you can’t generalize that to all.
Your sentence is proof you shouldn’t be teaching your kids how to write.
Lemmy threads aren’t formal writing, they’re textualized speech. Of course you’ll find non-standard phrasing. Note that the punctuation and spelling are correct.
What you call formal writing is what many people would call writing that is most easily understood.
Nice.
What you’re describing isn’t “homeschooling”, it’s really “distance learning” or “online schooling”. It’s still proctored by professionals and taught by credentialed teachers, and uses widely accepted curricula and content that is also taught in a regular school.
“Homeschooling” in a lot of ways leaves the teaching and day-to-day up to the parent. They only have to give benchmark tests mandated by the state to show the child is progressing every year, but what they teach the rest of the time is up to them. Which is why a lot of conservative groups like it, so they can teach their kids their version of history and leave out the parts that are uncomfortable.
Your kid was learning the public school curriculum in a remote setting. This is vastly different than mom or dad giving them dubious materials from a religious company selling home schooling crap.
Yes that’s why I didn’t say everyone I said for the most part. Because for every one kid like the one you’re talking about there’s 50 that don’t get anywhere near that level of quality education. Even ignoring all of the racist sexist and let’s be honest evil indoctrination that goes on in homeschooling, there’s also a large amount of abuse and exploitation that goes on. Homeschooling is a shit show.
You would quickly run into a problem where your kid doing it. That problem being that a lot of that online schooling is from Prager U, and companies like that. They have cornered a lot of the marketplace on homeschool materials. So the only thing he’d be miles ahead on is thinking that black people liked being slaves.
I wish those kids luck in life
They’re going to need it.
But, if they’re lucky they will potentially just be successful enough to reproduce and spread that information to the next generation…
Not guaranteed, but still… Natural selection does have an ultimate purpose after all.
Bet she never read the Constitution, Confederate or otherwise:
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp
“In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.”
The articles of secession of every single state mention slavery as the primary motivation, usually within the first paragraph.
Isn’t it ‘my truth’ instead of ‘the truth’ then? 😇
