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Pretty wild that these leftists consistently have leftist criticisms of the liberal candidate, I guess that means they support the conservative candidate.

She’s sure coming out of the gate swinging, harder than they expected and they didn’t have any racism loaded in the chamber. Exactly what we fucking needed.

almost true, liberals hate leftists more, and fascists hate leftists most of all.

I think you need to look up what that word means.

Liberalism is an ideology that can be debated and has merits, these are just cultists. I don’t think so little of liberals that I think they’re all like this.

This is just the politics subreddit isn’t it?

So calling anyone that’s liberal but not leftist a blue MAGA isn’t a straw man?

No liberal is a leftist, liberalism is right-wing, while leftism is Socialist, of some sort. Additionally, the person you replied to said liberalism itself can be debated, but this specific anti-Leftist liberalism found on Lemmy.world is “Blue MAGA,” ie Leftists aren’t allowed to complain about whatever right-winger the DNC fronts.

It’s intentionally inflammatory and wrong. It sounds like you’re being elitist, even if that’s not your intention.

I don’t see how any of that follows.

I agree that the average US liberal isn’t progressive enough and I don’t agree with a lot of the liberal circlejerk in these comments, but your argument is just as flawed and cultist.

So you agree with them saying leftists should be allowed to have a voice, but disagree with them saying Lemmy.world liberals are trying to silence Leftists, then “both-sidesing” them? Not sure what you’re cooking here.

You’re generalizing what I said, you can see plainly that I was referring to the people behaving like that in this thread.

This is the depth of analysis I’ve come to expect from you all, though.

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I can tell you but you don’t want to hear it.

The path foward is never clear. Incremental change is the only thing that will get us where we want to be with out losing anything on the way. Set backs are to be expected. We are fighting for the next generation and the generation after that. Status quo is probably the best you’ll ever get. Well, while you’re healthy enough to enjoy it.

Most leftists are telling people to vote for Claudia De La Cruz of PSL, not simply abstaining.

Sure, that’s a pretty easy observation when you classify any attempt to hold politicians responsible as “blatantly trying to convince leftists not to vote.”

I can meet you there

Definitely. Most orgs in the West (that I know of) are at the moment focused mostly on education because it’s so lacking in our society

Join an organization, like The Party for Socialism and Liberation. Read theory, organize, and build up dual power. You can’t just motion that Leftists aren’t doing what they claim they are and want to, read theory yourself if you want to understand.

Organising is done through education. Workers must learn exactly in what ways they’re taken advantage of by their bosses and educate others with this knowledge as well. Once enough workers have joined a revolutionary (communist) party because they agree that the oppression of their class must be stopped, they can start their revolution. Workers that work for production companies must take control of the means of the production, workers that work in government agencies must take control over their respective agency. Workers that work in the military must take control of military equipment. The party that organised the revolution already has its own democratic structure that will be used to decide the next courses of action. Once the workers are in control of their workplace they can continue the same work while the party basically takes over the role of the government as long as it’s needed. Through its democratic structure decisions can be made on the order of which the current problems the people face can be addressed.

I’m no expert, so this is a run down of the events during a revolution as I understand it. The course of a revolution varies a lot depending on the class relations so a successful revolution in one country may not look the same in another. As I said, the first step is education and I’m still learning what the class relations look like in my own region, until then I can not exactly say what the revolution here should look like.

In general it should never be a bad idea for a worker to learn about their own company structure and the contradictions that exist within between the workers and the owners and shareholders of said company. This information can first help with unionising, and from it you can derive your negotiating power as a union against your boss. This is helpful in gaining ground on the wage/profit ratio, and later it will be essential for taking control of the company and making sure it keeps running.

Here’s why: explain how your political process can flourish. It’s not like politics is a recent invention - so-called “progressives” or “leftists” must have something in mind, what is it?

Here is PSL’s party platform they are campaigning on, as they try to build up a Leftist political party in the US. There are leftist plans and actions we can take.

Increase taxes for the highest bracket. Close tax loopholes. Codify the right to abortion. End military and economic aid to Israel. Increase land value tax. Single payer healthcare. Extend welfare to all disabled people living overseas. Ban child labour. Universal basic income. Put a limit on the number of properties that can be owned by an individual or corporation. Dissolve HOA clauses. Loosen immigration. Increase education spending. Increase legal protection for unions. Place control of all businesses in the hands of the unions and nationalise those businesses lacking unions. Make internet free and connect every home to fiber. Ban new fossil fuel developments. Invest in the local solar and wind industries. Ban animal agriculture. Tighten up laws against online abuse and harassment. Create a new cybercrime investigation force completely unaffiliated with the police. Offer everyone a number of free therapist visits. Make weed and LSD legal.

Progressives and leftists have tons of literature out there on the policies and ideas they want implemented to improve society, just because you haven’t bother to look up any doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

As to how that gets implemented again it’s out there but going to depend on what country and topic we’re taking about if you want someone to provide something specific.

More than happy to provide some but given the post was on “leftist discourse” I’m a little unclear on what specific topic you’re unable to find the leftist position for here.

So…you are tacitly admitting that the “lesser of two evils” trick will always work on you?

explain how your political process can flourish

I don’t recall proposing a political process. I’ll engage with the strawman anyway. If I was president of this wretched hellscape, The bare minimum policies to start would be:

Electoral reform, labor reform, UBI, criminal justice reform, tax reform (wealth tax, inheritance tax, national property tax, tax on financial transactions), corporate death penalty, presumptive liability for corporate executives, bring the military and police to heel.

something wildly unlikely

Uhh, sure, it is going to be very difficult to change the power structures in the United States that are entrenched into every facet of life and constantly propagandized through the media. I guess we should just give up and spend all our time fellating the ruling class.