People who get upset over everything are upset. More at 11.
It was not the last supper but a representation of the greek god Bacchus, since of course the Olympics have a greek origin. I find it funny that christians got so triggered.
A lot of Christians don’t realize how heavily influenced their religion is is by other more pagan and polytheistic religions.
Seriously, just look up images for “Isis and child Horus”, for instance.
Without context he only way to tell if it’s Christian or ancient Egyptian is the hat, if present.
No, the blue smurf dude was Bacchus. This was a different part.
Blue dude is Philippe Katerine. He is know for doing weird things. About his show in the ceremony he declared to the press “I was cold and I liked it” article in French
He was also delighted that Musk was shocked. Katherine is,rightfully, quite popular around here.
NBC didn’t even broadcast this part of the ceremonies, people who are upset about this are looking to get upset.
The real news story here is that NBC is apparently censoring the Olympics.
The link literally goes to nbc news, and contains a video of that exact performance. How exactly are they censoring the Olympics? Edit: was this not broadcast on live tv, just online? I didn’t watch live.
I’ve got copies of both the US and Australian broadcasts. I’m in the process of building a synchronized side-by-side video showing what each broadcaster put out.
I’d love to share it if I could convince YouTube’s bots that it’s not a copyright violation.
And if there’s a PeerTube instance out there that won’t mind me uploading it there, I’m happy to share it with you.
Update: I uploaded this to the Internet Archive today: https://archive.org/details/olympic-blue-man-4
You should totally upload it to the Internet Archive. They have something similar for 9/11 news programs.
This is a FANTASTIC idea. I’m uploading it now.
Great! Link it here when you do it, I’d be very curious to see it!
The entire opening ceremony was riddled with elements that were exaggerated specifically to give the middle finger to people who can’t help but force their personal religious beliefs on others. And seeing how riled up they’ve been getting over it, I must say it worked.
The sad part is, that this just gives them more ammo. Having said that though, they look for ammo constantly, even without olympics they would find something else.
Who cares
But only against christians, no othetlr religion or lack thereof.
Pretty sure some of these other religions have a problem with scantily clad women, gay people and drag queens. That you think this was “only against christians” is pretty telling.
I would imagine if it was a bunch of straight people in silly costumes we would be having a very different conversation… Maybe about how art was once part of the Olympics. That would be a fun thing to talk about.
“How dare the queers…” is so tiring a conversation to keep having over and over.
I’m having this exact discussion with someone else in the comments. There are so many parodies of this painting but this is the one that causes outrage. I wonder why…
So you’re indignant that the middle finger was only to Christians? And not everyone else? Weird hill to die on. And I’m pretty sure the middle finger wasn’t specifically to Christians, but to literally every moron with a stick up their ass about what other people do in their personal lives.
Also, the “lack thereof” is called atheism and attacking atheism is like attacking someone for not collecting stamps (to bastardize Penn Jillette). Quite a waste of time and effort.
That’s because other religions are minorities in the West and get too much hate and vitriol as it is.
Isnt the olympics about unity? If you have to single out a group to make fun of, maybe you shouldnt
Wow get over your jurt feelings because of a, … checks notes …, a screenplay with colored people or gays or something.
Aren’t you christians supposed to be inclusive and not hating bigots?
Grow up lol.
Really? They fully declared the performance was unquestionably for Christians? Not everything in the world is about Jesus.
It was literally the Last Supper. I dont know how much more christian specific you can get
it literally was not. i guess you skipped most of this discussion? and the article itself? it’s explained what it was a scene from. (hint: not from christianity).
Da Vinci’s the last supper is much more of an art accomplishment than a symbol of Christianity. I’ve seen soooo many parodies of the last supper that just wanted to make a simple joke using something people recognize. Again, not everything is about religion, for example, the satanic temple has “Christian symbols” but is a fully securely belief system.
Edit: so it turns out they were actually doing “Jan Harmensz van Biljert’s Feast of the Gods, painted +/- 1635”. It’s the most Christian thing to do to just assume cause it reminds you of your symbolism, you get to restrict how people use it.
Rejecting your religion’s bigotry is not “singling you out”.
Not unity specifically. Excellence, Respect and Friendship without discrimination. Technically “unity” is not a core mission statement and what is considered culturally significant is left to the host country to decide.
Is a fashion show featuring people dressed to reference Greek Gods off brand for the French?Not really. Historically speaking the Nobility used to employ people to dress up to become Greek gods in tableau to serve as living lawn ornements.
The original Olympics, both the ancient practice and the og international competition used to also feature arts and culture. Since the painting they were referencing was not the Last Supper and about Greek Gods it wasn’t an intended act of disrespect or division … But other forces are definitely choosing to make it so based on the idea that these things should be of the broadest possible appeal.
isn’t faith about humility? it’s arrogant to turn a celebration of a different culture into an attack on one’s “faith” yet we see cosplay christians do this literally every single day. spiritual materialism isn’t spiritual in any way. it’s using the trappings of religion like a weapon to attack others and gain power over them. it’s not about any relationship with God, or following any teachings. no faith in any god is shown by such reactions. it’s selfish, quick to anger, blind, unforgiving, arrogant, hypersensitive, and morally wrong.
they think that. somehow it doesn’t occurs to the “christians” that the olympics aren’t about them and aren’t focused on them at all. it wasn’t the last supper. it was homage to greek and french culture and history. because the olympics originated in greece and are being held in france. sheesh.
And we aren’t the ones beheading teachers and shooting up art studios
No, you’re just the ones producing most of the stochastic terrorism in the US
The Bible doesn’t say to commit terrorism.
And yet Christians keep doing it in the name of their god
Unfortunately.
So you guys just do it for fun, then?
That’s a worse reason, you do understand that?
I haven’t committed terrorism, I don’t plan on committing terrorism, I don’t support committing terrorism, so I won’t defend those who are committing terrorism. And you’re right, it is a worse reason.
Yes, because condemning terrorism is also terrorism. Do you guys even hear yourself?
do you guys even hear yourself
Given what you said has nothing to do with what I said I ask the same back to you, buddy
An event that’s supposed to bring people together, instead purposely creates division. I’m agnostic af, but I can clearly see this is bad taste.
If you like creating division, then by all means celebrate it I guess…
They included everyone who has been excluded from the beginning and made a statement that they will not pander to those who want them excluded anymore. Those who were angry at this are those who wanted to keep these people excluded. I’d say it’s a pace in a good direction to bring people together. There is only a group of people who will need to learn they can’t force their way on others anymore.
For crying out loud had these people had their way again we wouldn’t even have had that badass metal music show in front of the
BastilleConciergerie, where Marie Antoinette was trialed and sentenced to death.badass metal music show in front of the Bastille.
Didn’t realize that was in front of the Bastille, you can’t get more anti authoritarian than that.
My bad, the building it took place at was La Conciergeie, which is the location where Marie Antoinette was trialed and sentenced to death. The Bastille no longer exists.
But I mean, the anti-authoritarian vibe immediately peaked at the beginning with a beheaded Marie-Antoinette singing about hanging the aristocrats.
you can’t get more anti authoritarian than that
You could drown Macron in the Seine, to start with. (I mean, he’d probably suffocate rather than drown, but still.)
It’s the agnostics who want to force our churches to go woke in Europe.
The other way around. It’s the agnostics who defend your right to do whatever you want inside your church, as long as it isn’t illegal. It’s outside your stupid church you don’t get to say or command anything. And that’s what offends religious folks. Losing the power to force others to obey your religion is not oppression, leave us the fuck alone.
Learn to read. “the Archbishop of Canterbury’s views have sway around the Commonwealth and beyond […] the Lords Spiritual number 26 votes in our unelected upper chamber of parliament. These people still have power. ” That’s a religious issue within that religion that affects non-religious people. You see how that reinforces my point? I don’t fucking care whatever the the church end up deciding to do because I don’t fucking belong to that church and therefore that stupid church has no power over my life. But when the assholess inside the church influence civil decisions, then that becomes a problem. Either get out of political life, or change and accept that your worldview not only sucks, but isn’t supported anymore.
Ah yes, inclusion is division. Good double speak here.
No no, you don’t get it. They don’t like drag, and we should’ve known christian’s don’t like drag and wouldn’t want to go to a drag show. So by us doing them anyways, knowing they won’t be there, we’re excluding them by not excluding them while they exclude themselves. We’re the assholes y’all.
We’re the assholes y’all.
ah damn it, if you put it like that.
It’s Christianity causing the division. Not the inclusions of the LGBT.
Drag !== LGBT.
LGBT is Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, three sexual orientations, and Transgender- a modifier of gender expression.
Drag is a performance.
The only people creating division are religious people who can’t switch off their offended brain for once and laugh a little.
Same logic can be applied to people being (rightfully) outraged at blackface
Since you bring up logic, the logical fallacy you’re displaying is called the false equivalence fallacy. Blackface is outrageous because the purpose is to demonize and humiliate black people. The purpose of drag is to CELEBRATE freedom of feminine expression, regardless of sex/gender. One is inherently exclusive, while the other is inherently inclusive.
And the purpose of mocking Christianity is…? I didn’t mention drag here.
You’re dissenting in a thread about Christians hating drag. It’s implied you’re talking about drag. Further, blackface is a common dog whisle the alt-right uses to attempt to demonize drag.
I haven’t mocked Christians in a very long time. Some people are mocking Christians, but the intent of the original performance, and the intent of this thread, is very clearly to mock people that USE Christianity as ammunition against people and things they don’t like. Which is (obviously) an exclusionary act… Which the Olympics is against, given that it exists to bring people with differences together… Hence, the performance…
Are you this outraged every other time someone parodies the Last Supper?. Sounds like your issue is not parodies of a Christian scene but the parody being done by drag queens.
Yes.
Wtf
if you have to conform to what a single group wants while ignoring the actual countries who created the games and those who host them, that’s not”bringing people together” it’s just giving in to narrow views and acting as if only one group has legitimacy and the right to decide on anything. there is no “bringing together” of different people and things in that.
This is really killing me. The Last Supper is a fucking painting. It ain’t in the book. There’s no part of the Bible where it says and Jesus sat down at a stupidly long table and all of his asshole Apostle sat down on the same side and posed weirdly. Why is the painting suddenly holy? Since when do conservatives like art? I’ve never met a conservative who didn’t want to burn most paintings.
Judas: so lets get this last supper going.
Jesus: the what supper?
Judas: good supper, nice supper, normal supper!
good supper, nice supper, normal supper!
Super supper!
You’d be surprised how much of the belief was added as expansion packs by the early church.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
The painting is just another notable addition to the cinematic universe.
We don’t talk about the rival fanfic, or the original book fans. It’s not as good as ours. And our main character in the sky is totally different.
I’ve never met a conservative who didn’t want to burn most paintings.
How does ignorant, fabricated hate get so many upvotes here?
Just a product of people having an overconfidence in themselves being right (and therefore good) while those that disagree are wrong (and therefore wrong).
The irony is that the most batshit insane MAGAs have the same thought process. Liberal tears and all that.
This is a “conservative tears” kind of thing. It’s a “they take the low road, we also take the low road” kind of strategy which only gives credence to the usually fallacious “both sides” arguments.
General lack of critical thinking skills. If you want a tolerant society, actively disrespecting the beliefs of others probably isn’t the best way to go about it.
Yup. Maga supporters are some of the worst I’ve come across. But what I’ve learned, especially on Lemmy, is that it’s not even remotely isolated to them.
Matthew 26:20-29 ESV
When it was evening, he reclined at table with the twelve. And as they were eating, he said, “Truly, I say to you, one of you will betray me.” And they were very sorrowful and began to say to him one after another, “Is it I, Lord?” He answered, “He who has dipped his hand in the dish with me will betray me. The Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.” Judas, who would betray him, answered, “Is it I, Rabbi?” He said to him, “You have said so.” Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
1 Corinthians 11:23-26 ESV
For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body, which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” [26] For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.
The last supper is very much biblical
They weren’t saying the event called the last supper wasn’t in the bible, but that the artistic depiction of that event, “The Last Supper”, isn’t a part of the Christian religion. It is a painting.
I think religion is hogwash but criticizing a famous depiction of an event that happened in the Bible because it’s not actually being part of the Bible strikes me as desperate.
Nah. It’s something they don’t get bent out of shape for for any other religious artwork. Like nobody is up in arms about the memes of that shitty restoration of the picture of Jesus
There’s plenty of satirical art/speech/expression about Christianity and people don’t go through life being enraged at all of it until they’re told to have that opinion by media.
Plus, from what I understand, the only “sacrilegious” element was that there were drag performers doing it? There’s not even anything inherently anti-christian there except in that wearing the other gender’s clothing is prohibited in like 3 verses. But again, people aren’t typically upset by the identity of the author except in this case. Christians are only so vehemently anti-drag in the US because of media spoon feeding them opinions.
Other examples they dont get mad about
Or infinitely many others including ones with RuPaul, futurama, rick and morty, marvel, the charmin bears, pretty much any IP you can name has a version of this somebody made of it that is equally “sacrilegious”.
I’m not defending their anti drag position, it is ridiculous.
But they find drag to be an affront to their beliefs, and thus them making fun of the last supper is offensive in this case (it isn’t making fun of it, which I just learned, I’m speaking hypothetically here) and maybe not when it is referenced humorously in others.
It’s like some white person getting up on stage and doing jokes about living fried chicken and watermelon. Maybe some people are mildly put off by it but most would just think it dumb. But put that white guy in black face and all of a sudden it’s a lot more offensive. I’m not equating these two, just pointing out how context matters.
But I’m not even sure why that matters here because the statement was that it really isn’t part of the bible, when it’s clearly depicting a major moment in the Bible.
Not true, you were defending their anti drag position. Still am, a little because you don’t understand how to back down
It’s possible to understand that something offends a person, and think it wrong to intentionally offend them, and at the same time find it ridiculous that it does.
It’s a painting of a scene from the Bible, though
A painting by a homosexual naturalist scientist that constantly gets co-opted by the church. Religious folk are so ridiculous on what you choose to get your feathers ruffled over. It’s just a stupid painting that he made to experiment with new materials for fresco murals.
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That’s just artistic depiction. Scared Artwork (or Icons) are more about portraying and telling a story to an illiterate audience rather than realistically depicting something as we may think about some historical artwork nowadays. Although there are plenty of battle scenes in art which are clearly exaggerated also
Dipshits don’t even get it’s this based on this painting https://musee-magnin.fr/en/node/19 which is in a French museum, about the gods of Olympus, and includes the lyre you see in the recreation. It’s not the last supper which is in Italy and not in France. Similar framing of course - clearly on purpose - but who cares. What dumbasses, outrage machine go burrr
I wish conservative Christians were educated enough to know what a bacchanalia is.
I wish conservative Christians were educated
I wish conservatives were educated
bacchanalia
I literally looked up this word when it came up in a book on Friday. What timing. Also, Type O Negative ftw.
Only time I’ve heard it in use is in the film, A Christmas Story.
Interesting (had to Google it)
Imagine you’re the master race, confident and strong and then some people wear different clothes than you expected on TV and your whole world is just shattered lol.
Oh no, the poor christians and conservatives who rather see us at the burning stake than acknowledge that their God created us queer-people just like we are. Fuck em that they felt hurt looking at this display, we were and are constantly hurt!
Surely there have never been any parodies of the Last Supper before this one.
(I’m partial to this one)
This is the one that always stuck in my head.
TAKE THIS PHOTO DOWN NOW, THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
The guy who played Hyde is a serial rapist. He was in the running for Trumps VP.
Thanks, will keep that in mind when I watch that 70s show and suddenly get urges to copy Hyde without question.
? I understand not liking the joke but idk where that comment comes from lol
A lot of people believe that if an artists turns out to be a bad person, you should not consume their art.
Imo boycotting makes sense but any work of art should be able to be enjoyed regardless of where it came from.
That wasn’t the joke I was making though. My joke was that Trump was considering making a serial rapists his VP pick. I don’t disagree with the point you’re making I’m just confused as to why you think it’s relevant.
At first I didn’t realize it was a joke tbh. Thanks for explaining
I like how they have a painting of ol’ Ronnie Raygun on one side of the wall with Putin on the other. If only he was alive to see them now.
It was supposed to be the Last Supper?
I totally didn’t get that.
Also, I was hoping for a real drag show when I saw them, but instead I got a sort of “gender bent catwalk” thing. Boo.
It was supposed to be a representation of a bacchanal or dionisya. There are dozens of paintings of those celebrations that look sorta like the last supper, if you squint very hard and turn off your brain.
Religious bigots offended, yet again
Let them cry.
NBC’s coverage only detracted from the ceremony. They cut most of the fashion show. And the hosts did nothing to explain or put the various acts in cultural context.
For those who don’t like the queer fashion show, no one is forcing you to watch it. It’s a cultural expression of the host country. It’s like going to Gramany and hating the beer or the Netherlands and hating the tulips.
It’s like going to Gramany and hating the beer or the Netherlands and hating the tulips.
Happily, alcoholism bad and the tulip bubble was dumb.
Some people just live in anger, don’t they?
It was a joke
Guess we all missed the joke, sorry fam
I’m also pissed at the Olympics this year, mostly because I got stuck one hour on the road, but maybe I just don’t want to admit how dumb I was to not avoid Paris on my trip to the west… nah it’s them! not me!
Rankled is a kind of default status of most conservatives, and the way I most prefer them to be.
I like them to be discomfited too.
And stilted. Stilted is nice.
