I don’t know…
The guy crying while crawling through the hallway with an entire swat team screaming at him and then getting executed was also pretty bad.
The guy shot in the back multiple times while running away from the police officer was just chilling.All these shooting without consequences are just bizarre.
The hallways one pisses me off to no extent. From the pig who killed him having “Get Fucked” or whatever it was engraved on his rifle, down to the very fact they responded with nothing but conflicting and confusing commands. He was told to crawl towards them but also keep his hands above his head, which is impossible to do, crawling requires hands and knees on the ground, shuffling only requires knees. Then, the clearly intoxicated and unarmed man crying and shuffling towards them has his pants keep falling down, and like any of us would do, instinctively kept pulling them back up. Instead of the pigs telling him to ignore his pants, y’know, to help alleviate some of the stress the poor guy is experiencing, they scream once at him to keep his hands up and then they open fire on him when he instinctively does it again. There’s one of him, and at least half a dozen fully armed and armored pigs, and pulling pants up was soooooooooooooo threatening to these pieces of shit who like to play dress up as soldiers, they riddled him with bullets and he got to bleed out on a carpet in a hotel hallway.
The report was a man brandishing a rifle in a hotel window, and at no point did they guy give any evidence he was packing a rifle or trying to be uncooperative with the pigs. And they killed him, because he didn’t want his pants to fall. Don’t worry though, the pig that killed him was medically retired due to PTSD from the event. I bet the victim sure wishes he could’ve medically retired from PTSD, but that privilege is only for pigs apparently.
But we know people are subject to crowd panic. It’s not an excuse, but definitely part of the reason was they worked themselves into a frenzy until someone let loose. They’re all guilty, but it’s also a human weakness that police need to solve
This one I can’t even see how it happened. There was no crowd, nothing that could be perceived as threatening, no real possibility of any sort of violence, not even a threat of escaping. Most importantly, she was the “victim”, she called for help, how does that turn into her being suspicious? We’re far beyond any possibility of an excuse for that behavior, but I don’t even see how
thats why you have training.and not the kind that convinces you you’re on a deniable black ops mission in Falujah at 4am infiltrating Al Qaeda when actually it’s Just Some Dude.
These mfs are basically trained to see civilians as a threat. So I’m not surprised that they randomly attack people who are not threats. Psychological conditioning can be very powerful
That is a reason why it is a systemic problem - because crowd panic and situative anticipation is not trained enough.
There is a reason police training in basically all industrial nations takes multiple years. One would expect the US with a dangerous environment to even take longer… instead it is smaller than it is in most developing nations.
The report was a man brandishing a rifle in a hotel window,
Whenever this is the trigger for police involvement it always surprises me that the “2nd amendment” people that constantly caress Republicans balls have nothing to say about people being executed for owning weapons.
They’re fine with it because it’s almost always someone from a minority group getting executed as we always hear their bullshit versions of why these people deserved it.
The NRA had nothing to say about Philando Castile getting murdered by the cops for doing exactly what the NRA says you are supposed to do if you’re pulled over by the cops with a gun in the car.
The NRA and Reagan backed gun control in California once black and brown people started arming themselves
I had never heard the particular sentence, “I rebuke you in the name of Jesus” as a phrase, but seeing the video, there did not seem to be any hostility in her voice nor actions. The article says:
In the church, he said, to rebuke is to cast out a demon, or keep a demon from using a person to do something bad. The phrase can be said casually, though, in response to someone’s misbehavior. When Massey says it, her voice is louder and clearer than it has been before, but she doesn’t sound angry. It’s the tone of voice that you might use while saying: For goodness’ sake, this is really getting ridiculous.
That fits with her actions: totally non-confrontational, but with the mildest of chastisements.
I grew up in an insanely religious community and not only have I heard that phrase, it’s been used on me in an argument I had with someone when I was a teenager.
I heard it constantly. I was taught to say it as a small child when I was scared of the dark. No demons gonna get me. :p
It just made me even more sad for her, because it reminded me of the old ladies from my childhood. It was a phrase used to combat feelings of fear. She was terrified and probably thought she would receive help from the almighty in that moment.
Can’t be annoyed at cops, that’s called suicide
Look, even if she actually threatened them with boiling water (she didn’t, but let’s pretend she did).
She wasn’t a suspect. They could have just left her apartment. Between fight and flight, they could have easily chosen flight.
But because cops always feel the need to flex their authority, this woman is dead.
ACAB.
If he was afraid of her splashing him with boiling water, why advance on her? He should be moving back to avoid being close enough to be threatened. Even giving him the maximum benefit of the doubt his actions created the situation. It’s like if a cop steps out in front of your vehicle in traffic and then shoots you because you were about to run him over. Even if you believe she was threatening him, he still murdered her because he caused it to happen.
Personification of the meme…If you don’t treat them like an authority, they won’t treat you like a person.
To add to this… a lot of police confirmation videos I see someone MAYBE acting strange or MAYBE doing something that a cop could find threatening. This one I saw absolutely no danger or strange behavior. The lady was just talking to them like any of us would talk to each other. It’s disgusting.
How dare you ignore her deadly weapon, the pot of water that she was pouring down the drain.
They could have gotten wet, potentially, if she would have shown any sign of intention to throw it at them. But if they didn’t shot her they could have maybe gotten wet, if they also didn’t move.
This is the kind of chaos, fear, traumas and danger or finest have to deal with every day! So it is very understandable if they decide to announce their intentions (“I can shoot you in your fucking face”) and then do it once she begs for forgiveness (“please! I’m sorry! I’m sorry!”)
Who else would protect us?!
Afraid of getting wet? Those policemen were pussies. That’s no excuse for what they did. Now if there were acorns involved…
Come on… It was a pot of boiling hot water. If she did throw it at the cops that could do a lot of damage. I’m not saying it looked like she was going to throw it and I don’t think the shooting was justified, but don’t pretend like the cops would’ve just “gotten wet”. It doesn’t look good when you lie.
Yep, and I bet there were peaches on the counter. If she took the stones out of all the peaches and ground them up to a fine powder and chemically concentrated the cyanide, she could have offered a nice innocent tea that would have been deadly. Good thing he defended against such threats
Wtf are you talking about? Are you denying that a pot of boiling water would be easy to throw at someone and severely mess them up?
Ye, every time I’m in a diner, if I see a waitress even glance toward that coffee pot or the tea kettle, I’m pulling my gold plated Desert Eagles and mag-dumping right there. I have to do it. It’s self-defense. It would be their fault
Especially if it’s to a tiny elderly wonan in her nightshirt trembling in distress, who asked for help, trying to obey my every command, and I only have one guy on backup and the long gun is not in place.
Especially if I’ve commanded her to take it off the stove: they’re sneaky like that
Are you saying a knife couldn’t be threatening just because it’s used in a diner? What a stupid comment. Again, I’m not justifying the shooting, I think the cop fucked up to let it even get to that point, but don’t pretend like it was just a “pot of water”. You can still criticize the officer without lying about the facts.
I think you’re overstating the threat here. The above commenter, though being facetious, is making a good point. The cop told her to take her pasta off the stove and even joked with her about avoiding the steam. Then he shot her. She was standing at a sink behind a raised-bar style countertop with a pot of water. Assuming she’s going to be able to chuck it over the counter at the cop is a bit of a stretch, particularly given her demeanor throughout the encounter. Nevermind the fact that she’s standing there with two armed men that could easily kill her (and one did), it’s bonkers to assume she would have both the motive and capability to do so.
It’s one thing if she behaved erratically to that point, but she didn’t. Additionally, if the cop was really concerned about the pot he could have said, “no, stay on the couch.” It’s just an odd hill to die on stating the cop was concerned about the pot.
From that distance? With all the options in the world for cover and escape?
Yeah, you might be right, but my “lie” here changes absolutely nothing in the actual levels of danger that these cops were in, since she did not ahow any sign of aggression and wasn’t holding a deadly weapon like a gun.
What do you mean from that distance? By the time he shot her they were <5 feet apart.
You’re right, it doesn’t change the fact that the cop completely failed at controlling the situation and she is now dead because of that, but it muddy’s the water and creates conversations that don’t need to be had (like this).
I don’t know why you seem to think that getting boiling water thrown at you would be like taking a hot shower, but that could seriously mess someone up for life.
He didn’t “fail to control the situation” he straight up stated that he will murder her and then did.
By the time he shot her they were <5 feet apart.
He kept approaching her.
All he had to do was back away. Or even maintain his distance.
What the fuck did I just read. She called the cops, they insist on getting in after she thanks them, and she gets headshot because she has water boiling in her house. What the actual fuck is going on in the US?
Bonus Points: They found a car that had been broken into, and still treated her like an enemy.
If I remember correctly, it wasn’t even boiling. It came straight out a tap.
Disgusting. I hope this stupid cop rots in jail for life.
It’s apparent there’s a crisis brewing in Law Enforcement and Officers are not getting trained properly. Frankly, I don’t care what police training says; it isn’t smart to use a sidearm on somebody who does not have any kind of weapon on them equal to that sidearm.
Similarly we need to quickly dismiss and retire officers to a desk job or no badge at all; who are showing signs of psychological trauma and problems; regardless of if they say they’re OK or not.
Similarly departments should not be operating in a manner that can send a stressed officer out to assist someone. Make sure duty rotations do not overly tax them, make sure they have plenty of breaks, and make sure they’re fresh, properly trained, calm and relaxed. Don’t send the wrong officer out for the job if possible. Don’t hire assholes, don’t hire felons, don’t hire people with dark triad tendencies, and don’t hire people with psychological problems or problems with authority.
Being an officer of any jurisdiction is a privilege we should revoke in an absolute instant the moment that any indication of problems arise in their empathy and cognition. Officers need to be good and sensible people with no issues.
There just isn’t any valid excuse for a police officer murdering an innocent, unarmed and scared woman like that. For any reason. It was his duty to protect her, and he not only did not do that, he intimidated her and killed her.
It’s apparent there’s a crisis brewing in Law Enforcement and Officers are not getting trained properly.
Is it? Or is this the intended outcome?
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/08/warrior-cop-class-dave-grossman-killology.html
It’s apparent there’s a crisis brewing in Law Enforcement and Officers are not getting trained properly.
Apparent? Other countries train police for three years, not six weeks. You won’t hear disproportionate abuse of authority and power in other developed countries, but in developing ones where corruption and hierarchical structure is systemic.
This isn’t about training, it’s about hiring trigger happy assholes who aren’t at all interested in de-escalation.
And if they aren’t trigger happy when they’re hired, they have to keep sitting through “warrior cop” shit until they are.
What a horrible thing to happen. Was hear use of “rebuke” odd? Sure, but hardly threatening. I am very curious what the officer has to say in his defence, I do not see hos this could anything other than murder. Perhaps discussion of which degree, but surely murder and not manslaughter.
I am devastated on behalf of Massey’s family and I hope they will eventually find peace.
Sadly, that kind of “incantation” is not all that uncommon among Christians (typically the poorer, less educated ones, but that’s just coincidental I’m sure) in America. And this is coming from someone in a solid blue area. From what I understand, it’s much more prevalent the further south you go, but it’s everywhere.
Also, as an atheist who grew up in an evangelical environment, there’s a pretty good chance she knew something was “off” about how this cop was behaving towards her, and based on what I’ve read, that comports. From what I understand, he seemed annoyed to have to come out for the call even though the original reason for the call (possible prowler I think?) was no longer an issue.
There’s a lot of subtle things that body cams don’t/can’t catch, but might jump right out to a human who is actually there as something alarming or “not right.”
For the younger folks: he failed the vibe check? But no, seriously, I know how these people can be, and she likely saw something in this man’s face/eyes that told her that she was in danger, and unfortunately, she was taught that an invisible sky wizard that gives babies leukemia would step in and save her.
It wasn’t Satan that you saw in his eyes, just racism, rage and psychopathy.
It isn’t just that she was religious; according to her family, she had schizophrenia. https://www.sj-r.com/story/news/crime/2024/07/26/crump-sonya-massey-needed-a-helping-hand-not-a-bullet-to-the-face/74551662007/
I don’t know what she was thinking at the time, but it must have been horrifying. As someone with sz, it makes me wonder what lengths people will go to put me down should they see the need.
I don’t know the statistics, so this is mostly just an educated guess, but I imagine there is quite a bit of overlap there.
Not exactly a shock to find out that someone who believes they can speak directly to God, and that they hear his voice, ends up being schizophrenic.
Sonya Massey’s tax dollars had contributed to the salary of the officer who killed her. That’s the insanity of being Black in this country.
I found this incredibly moving. I can’t imagine how it feels to be on the wrong side of the birth-lottery (I’m a cis white male in America). It must be maddening.
This, too, is what it means to be Black in America: One Black woman has the chance to win the most powerful position in the world, while at the same time, another Black woman, even at her most vulnerable, wearing her nightclothes and headscarf, is perceived as a threat—and shot to death in her kitchen.
The contrast is so palpable. I feel like I need a drink to put myself to sleep. What an awful world.
She seemed to have mental problems and the police should’ve known it and be documented to the address so they send a mental health counselor with police.
The pair of officers come off aggressive from the start. Guy was just itching to do what he did. I’m glad he actually got charged for it.
(Any person hesitant to work with the police)
The internet “She was clearly insane.”
Every time someone says she’s acting weird I just can’t help but wonder if they live in a place with zero black people. Everything about her behavior made sense. It’s late at night, she’s disoriented, she was recovering from surgery and likely on medication, she lives in a world where people who look like her are executed daily.
A person 15 inches taller than her and 3x her weight is being a massive cunt, interrogating her about her home and car and showing no interest in making her feel safe… Hmmm, why did she hesitate? sHe MUsT bE cRazY.
Next time you are incapacitated, sick, injured, imagine the police coming by. “This man is clearly on drugs in their own house, better interrogate them.” Oh, a commercial is coming on, better mute it so I can hear the… “Gun gun gun!!”, …“What?” you think to yourself, “Who has a gun?” Suddenly you can’t hear and your chest is wet, an officer is standing over you, you’ve been shot, “I was just trying to…” You’re dead. Shouldn’t have been born black.
IF YOU CAN’T BE OUT OF IT IN YOUR OWN FUCKING HOUSE WHERE CAN YOU? OH NO THEY DIDN’T BEHAVE PERFECTLY IN LINE WITH SOCIAL BEHAVIOR IN THEIR OWN HOME LATE ATE NIGHT WHEN EVERYONE IS TIRED, GUESS THEY NEEDED TO DIE.
May Sean Grayson’s asshole rot from the inside out as he lies on a cold prison bed thinking of the children he’ll never raise and his former fiancee fucking someone else while he’s in the ground. Better yet, I hope he beats cancer and lives to old age in a cement box where he watches his children grow up through paneled glass.
May he replay her last, “I’m sorry” before he put a bullet through her face for the rest of his miserable existence and thinking of the life he could have had if he wasn’t a piece of human trash.
I know this isn’t the way to solve these kinds of issues, but I belive that if you take someone’s life without reason (like this poor woman), you deserve your life to be taken too.
Officers and people in charge of maintaining law and order should be trusted, someone you can depend on to save or help you, but these cops are exactly the opposite. I can’t imagine how it’s like living in a country with such a broken system that every day is a guessing game if you’re going to get shot by the very people who are in charge to look at every issue and problem as objectively as possible, just because you looked at someone weirdly.
