So they note a link between usage and cancer, but don’t differentiate methods of ingestion? I’d be willing to bet the risk is mainly from smoking vs. other methods.
Why read the article when the title will suffice?
“While our study did not differentiate between methods of cannabis consumption, cannabis is most commonly consumed by smoking,” Kokot said in an email. “The association we found likely pertains mainly to smoked cannabis.”
… that’s my point. The study they released doesn’t differentiate even though the researchers acknowledge that fact. Although I have no scientific basis to back my assumption, it seems fairly intuitive that smoking cannabis would pose a higher risk of cancer than not smoking it. The study, as presented in the article, makes it sound like simply consuming cannabis in any manner increases that risk.
The study used insurance data to look at the association of cannabis use disorder with head and neck cancers
It’s not like the asked all these people in a custom designed study, and intentionally left out the consumption method. The study isn’t “making it sound” like anything, they’re pointing at a statistic.
Edit: it’s insurance data not medical data
intentionally left out the consumption method.
So, since they admit most the participants smoke it, they’re not studying the impact of “marijuana use” they’re studying the impact of “smoking marijuana”.
Yes, he literally admits it’s likely mostly the impact of “smoking marijuana”, because that’s what most people that fit the “canabis disorder” description seemingly do. Sadly, the study doesn’t have the data if they smoke it or ate it, because it’s insurance data not medical data. It would be more disingenuous to make the claim this is studying smokers. Any sane person reading this data isn’t trying to draw conclusions that aren’t there.
and that is why, aside from my first time being a fat bong rip (fuck you, Nik, that was a dick move), I have never intentionally inhaled smoke once in my life. It does not take an entire scientific study to figure out that inhaling hot smoke from something burning, and all the myriad chemical reactions therein, may not be the healthiest thing to huff.
now, that said, I do vape with a dynavap on a daily basis, so. Let’s hope it’s down to the smoke and not the plant itself.
If it was hot smoke, the bong was shit. If your friend told you to rip a huge one for your very first hit your friend was shit. Totally understandable why you don’t like smoking. I absolutely hate smoking specifically because… Well it’s smoking. My throat hates it, my lungs hate it, and the taste stays for many hours no matter how many times you brush your teeth because it’s all over your throat and smothering your alveoli
I’ll occasionally use a vape, but I prefer edibles. It’s much more controlled and I can calculate average times until I’m okay to do certain things.
LMAO you’re so careful about inhaling smoke yet vape on a daily fucking basis. You talk about the chemicals you can inhale when smoking, where is the chemical concern for your vaping???
Dry herb vaping is different than the disposable vapes you are most likely thinking of. Dry herb decarbing does not “burn” to the point of combustion so there is a lot less tar going into your lungs. While inhaling anything foreign is not going to be great, it is a lesser danger than smoking traditionally.
oh, no, I am inhaling the dangerous chemical of dihydrogen monoxide! The horror!
There are zero chemicals when vaping weed
I mean… what about THC
I mean, there are hundreds, but who’s counting.
Inhaling smoke is bad? That’s crazy.
True, but it’s not that simple.
The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer. The new findings “were against our expectations,” said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years. “We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use,” he said. “What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect.”
Where is this from? That contradicts what the article saysm
The article doesn’t talk about lung cancer.
I’ve posted the link to the article I quoted in another comment.
I really hope we can eventually get to doing studies in the differences between consumption methods. I would really like to know how much removing combustion from the equation changes things and if there is much of a difference in vaping (dry herb or concentrates) vs edibles has on the body.
edit: fixed a typo.
My understanding is that vaping dry herb under 200°C (392°F) is much safer, containing only 5% smoke. As opposed to actually smoking, which is 88% smoke. Personally, I max out at 195°C and the vapor still tastes clean. If I go to 200+, it starts to taste burnt.
Something of a maybe credible source: https://thehigherpath.com/blog/smoking-vs-vaping/
Thanks for pointing this out, I’ve come across similar information myself, but what I’m saying is I want to see more studies that distinguish between vaping and smoking at the very least. The op article at least acknowledged that they assume most people in the study smoked, but a lot of studies I’ve read in the past don’t even point out that the consumption method could have an impact on the data.
Yea, I can’t imagine there would be much risk from edibles. But I could be wrong and it would be good to get data on that.
Also it would be good to get an idea of what methods of vaping are harmful or not and if there’s any difference between the models of dry herb vapes.
I think we need a bit more attention on the different heating coils in disposable vapes as well. I do my best to get cartridges with ceramic heating coils (so I’m not potentially inhaling burnt metals), but it’s not exactly easy to figure out which cartridges have them and which ones don’t.
Inhaling burnt organic matter is associated with higher lung cancer risk:
https://news.mit.edu/2021/pah-cancer-chemicals-0922
And inhaling fine particulates increases the occurrence and severity of respiratory diseases:
I’m shocked. Shocked, I say!
Well, not that shocked…
You’ll probably be shocked to hear that people who smoke cannabis are less likely to develop lung cancer than those who don’t smoke.
“We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer,” the study’s lead author explained. “What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect.”
Cannabis use disorder is one joint a day??? This is more of an ‘agenda leader’ than a scientific exercise.
Also using insurance data seems suspect. Do you put on your insurance forms that you use cannabis? I don’t smoke anything at all, but I wouldn’t if I did.
Moderation to almost everything is key.
Too much of anything will kill you.
Too much moderation will kill you.
See also: Reddit
Oof.
This is my greatest fear. It’s why I don’t moderate anything except c/mash
For the TV show? And is it on sh.itjust.works? WE NEED TO KNOW!
Edibles all day everyday. Cheap as heck here and with coffee and mango and cheese modulating outcome. You just have to plan two hours ahead
Stoned yoga in nature btw is so good. I know it sounds like some hipster shit but the endorphins from stretching mix heavenly with medium intensity high
coffee and mango and cheese modulating outcome
I love all of these things! I feel like I’m missing some synergies in my edibles experience. Please tell me more…
Edibles don’t do shit for me. I had a whole pack of gummies a few weeks back and nothing. Made some brownies on my own, mild at best. I’ve tried the infused drinks, nothing again. I do vape but I dunno if that’s any better than smoking
Dry herb vaping is less harmful than smoking. However, vape carts & distillate is not something I trust and have had respiratory issues from.
As far as edibles go, it takes some trial & error but you can dial in your dosage. Store bought are wildly inconsistent and normally don’t work for me. I make my own butter & typically make brownies with it.
I use 2oz decarbed* cannabis per 2cup butter in crockpot with a little water. Slow cook for 2-3hr, strain, chill to separate and discard water. That canna butter gets turned into 48 brownies…which are roughly 2 dosages per, for me. I tend to use the Kodiak Cake brownie mix because it calls for more butter than other boxes and I’ve been pleased with the results.
*decarbed - grind up cannabis & bake in oven at 240f for 45min.
I dry vape .05g or .1g of flower (195C) most days, but definitely not every day.
A little more on Sundays.
That seems likely pretty safe to me.
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