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“Love thy neighbor, unless they’re gay, black, immigrant or they think different from you, then harass then and make false allegations and boycott every woke media” - somewhere in the Bible.
also remember how jesus helped and fed poor people? well that’s commie bullshit, we don’t do that here
I think that was in Shitforbrains 24:7 or was it Propaganda 69:420?
Either was totes there, Jesus was big on hating thy neighbor.
Christianity and capitalism aren’t compatible but no one is ready to have that conversation
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This is an oversimplification. In the land of monarchies progressives were pushing for more liberal democratic reforms. Capitalism is the economic manifestation of democratic liberalism. There was a huge desire to keep religion out of politics at the time of the American Revolution l’est society return to the divine rule of kings and queens. This is why separation of church and state is enshrined in the constitution.
Over time power structures changed and the largely white protestants that established the wealth and dominant culture of the land developed a political ideology around preservation of the status quo. This is where the word ‘conservative’ comes from. So it’s not that capitalism co-opted religion, it’s that the religious and the wealthy are hugely overlapping segments in America.
Autocorrect betrayed you Frenchie!
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I think they’re saying the latch on happened because Christianity was prominent when Capitalism was born.
If Christ and capitalism are at odds capitalism always wins.
Excellent statement. A good example of this happening is with usury/charging interest. The churches forbade it in most forms for a very long time,only permitting it on a wide scale in the 16th century. Coincidentally, just so happens to be when capitalism was rising. Totally a coincidence I’m sure.
Isn’t there a story in the Bible where Jesus kicks the merchants out of a church and punches them?
He flipped over tables and straight up whipped the merchants and money changers calling them thieves.
Jesus is irrelevant to ------ianity.
Leviticus & Romans, that’s all you need.
Nah, it’s situational. Parts are relevant when they need to be and irrelevant when they need to be. It’s convenient like that.
Jesus and the teachings of christianity in any of its forms are irrelevant to a functional modern society. Anyone who uses any parts of the bible beyond a few cherry-picked, out of context, touchy-feely bits as a foundation for their morality is almost certain to be a worse person for it.
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Oh I went to a Christian school, read it all, did the textual analysis of the different pentateuch authors, that stuff.
And what do Christians actually quote from all that? Shit from leviticus and romans about hating gay people. That’s what matters.
And at weddings people read “love is kind…” before that Khalil Gibran poem about the temple columns.
Truly, contemporary Christians are receiving their reward.
They do like Genesis too, as far as “original sin” meaning everyone is born doomed, and Eve meaning all women are bad.
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Christianity is the perfect religion for capitalists. They can do all the harm they want while they’re alive and all they have to do is ask for forgiveness to go to heaven.
I’d argue against that. Your average North American christian church, on the other hand, has been molded to support this kind of attitude.
If any of the stories are true*, it’s the active, practicing red-letter Christians who will get into heaven. Everyone else (see: the majority of church goers) get to burn with the rest of us. Remind followers of the idol of the church of this often, at every opportunity.
*I personally don’t believe they are, but still find value in Christian thought that’s actually wrestled with (and the people that do so) rather than just parroting the agendas and corruptions of others.
Christians say they are all about helping people. Until faced with the proposal that we make helping people the baseline system of how things work.
Oh no. They want charity to be something they can pat themselves on the back for doing in tiny amounts when they choose. They want to feel superior to those they are helping - not just…. help them.
This is why, even though churches do a lot of charity work, they and their conservative members are a bunch of hypocritical assholes who are determined to keep the poor poor.
If we fix the system, structurally, so that everyone has clothes to wear, how are they going to make themselves feel superior and gracious by collecting ratty old clothes into grocery bags?
They can’t even just help people in another country. They have to shove Christianity as a big tip jar in their faces
And the real kicker is that they consider the religion to be the true “help” while food and medicine are just the hook. 😂
Most just help each other. They think they’re helping when they have a cookout for people who are already going to church. Gtfooh
The corporations (Pinocchio) make everything appear anything other than the assassination of all life on Earth. Global warming, Microplastics, AI, any way it can happen as it is explicitly their objective and nothing less.
Personally I think the rich would get even more rich even faster if we had a healthy society where everyone was safe and educated. That might take more than one lifetime to show, though, so…
Everything about society has gone explicitly the opposite direction. The richer the rich get, the poorer everyone else gets. The less educated means easier to exploit labor.
The rich getting richer is literally synonymous for saying slavery.
Except it hasn’t all gone the opposite way. Poverty has declined globally over the last 30 years. I know college is more expensive for American zoomers than it was for boomers but that’s a small effect compared to a billion people climbing above the 2$/day line.
And there’s no corporate conspiracy to keep people uneducated and unskilled. Corporations need highly skilled workers more than ever as economies develop out of agrarianism into manufacturing and then high tech and services.
There needent be a conspiracy when inflation, without the raise of equal pay, is exerted relentlessly.
I’ve had this exact same epiphany after having arguments with my parents about politics… Like, “You made me this way!”
It’s very sad. I’m fortunate that it was the opposite for me. Born into a hyper-conservative Catholic family, then when 3 out of 4 of their children wound up LGBTQ, they realized that God might have been telling them something. They’re extremely and refreshingly Christ-like, and total allies. They treat my same-sex fiancé as their full-blown in-law.
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I wouldn’t call that a contrast honestly. Sounds like a very similar attitude.
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Yeah. Fair I guess. We don’t actually know the other person’s parents started out hateful. Perhaps just ignorant. I guess both angles are assumptions.
One would think the choice would be obvious: Either accept your children for who they are, or accept some right-wing bullcrap and only get to talk with the one kid you didn’t shun from your life.
As a parent it is truly unthinkable how anyone could disown their children over this kind of thing. I literally cannot fathom doing that to the people I love the most in this world.
That’s good, but such a low bar we give them
They want you to go to church but not support policies that Jesus would support.
“Your Christians are so unlike your Christ”
~Mahatma Gandhi
Ghandi’s one to talk.
What? He’s a peaceful man. He just doesn’t take kindly to unhandled overflows.
These churches sure do love some supply side Jesus.
Why care about the alien within your gates, especially if they got there illegally? Care only about yourself. God helps those who help themselves. That other weird Jesus who says to love everyone and give everything you have to the poor is an icky, nasty socialist groomer.
If you want to fun activity, go ask one of these lunatics what’s bad about socialism. They usually describe communism. They don’t even know what they hate.
If Jesus come to US today, he will likely be vindicated as a false god again.
I think it’s more that Christians are mad that they would be helping others who don’t share their same belief system.
Which is funny because that’s exactly what the Bible tells them not to do
Bold of you to assume that Christians actually read the Bible.
I’ve seen an unsourced claim / quote that reading the bible is the leading factor for atheism.
Hi it’s me, a guy who was a never-doubting die hard christian until about 14 years old when I sat down and intended to read the bible cover to cover.
I made it through every single word (and every John begat Bruce etc ect) until leviticus.
I had always been raised as a bible literalist, that every single word of the bible was either true or a “metaphor”. Well, I’m dumb but not an idiot. And it’s impossible for a sane person to read the whole old testament and come out thinking it’s the same author as the new testiment.
Imo, christians are primarily people who haven’t read the bible yet.
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You think they taught me a single thing about other flavors of christianity? Education is not the point of church.
Also “not taking it literally” and “the entire old testament part of the bible, the majority of the pages, are absolutely insane” are two very different things.
I would challenge anyone saying otherwise to sit down and read it start to finish.
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“He’s not hurting the right people”
I’ve been in and around Christian communities my whole life. There is truth to what you say - someone being Christian increases the likelihood that other Christians would be willing to help them.
But by and large the prevailing attitude is even more disappointing and unchristlike. People are simply selfish and only want to serve themselves, keeping every penny they have earned regardless of those in need around them.
The rich don’t get rich by giving it away, and this is well known amongst the rich themselves. Some may even give on a personal level, giving them a visual alibi for using their resources politically to actively oppose legislation and policy that benefits those less fortunate. To me this is even more evil.
Help the homeless? Are you insane?? There’s so many of them!
No, no, if you help the homeless, they won’t help themselves and will instead get a free ride, and that’ll just encourage more people to become homeless. That’s real conservative logic right there.
This was like when equality was drilled into me then I punched my friend because she was strangling me.
Apparently I wasn’t meant to do that. But I need to treat boys and girls the same.
That was a big awakening.
Maybe it’s asking too much, but I’d love if Lemmy versions of popular Reddit subs like this would encourage posting and upvoting fresh and original content instead of the same recycled undated reposts.
This one hits worryingly close to home
Love is the sister to hate. It’s very easy to convert one to the other. “Love” your enemies. Love is the Christian codeword for hate. God “loves” you with the intensity of 1000 suns. Climate change is god’s love.
Being anti-socialism is caring about people.
Can we not divide Twitter posts into race on Lemmy? Also can we let Twitter die in peace?
Does anyone know the origin story of /r/blackpeopletwitter and /r/whitepeopletwitter?
Thinly veiled racism.
Yeah, this comment is pretty ratio’d, but I agree. Especially back on reddit, /r/blackpeopletwitter was obviously a bunch of white teens cosplaying as black. It was gross
Lemmy and kbin will be th special place where every community will exist
Nah. Fascism is not welcome here.
But lemmy/kbin allows them to create their own defederated instance or half federated instance.
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