• loaExMachina
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      Does Jesus have a gender tho? As stated above, Jesus has a fully human body and nature (or else you are deemed a heretic by the council of Chalcedon). He is described as a man and several churches and rulers have historically claimed to hold a piece of his foreskin, so he must’ve had a penis. Therefore:

      • Either Jesus was agender despite having a penis, therefore penis doesn’t imply male gender or
      • Jesus was male. So either:
        • Jesus and God don’t have the same gender, so they aren’t the same entity, which the councils of Nicea and Chalcedon would deem a heresy, or
        • God can manifest as male or agender, making Them genderfluid.
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        Jesus and The Father is not just the same entity. From what I understand it’s like water: liquid water is water. Ice is water but it’s not a same thing as (liquid) water.

        The Father is just something above gender. Jesus is a man.

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          Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. If it could be understood it would not answer their purpose. Their security is in their faculty of shedding darkness, like the scuttlefish, thro’ the element in which they move, and making it impenetrable to the eye of a pursuing enemy, and there they will skulk.

          – Thomas Jefferson, letter to Van der Kemp, 1816

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            Same can be said about any religious thing, really, even about the concept of deity itself, regardless of what they believe in. I’m not religious myself but I tried to correct some wrong information about christian(catholic?) belief. We can be critical about things and try to be accurate.

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          It’s also been mentioned in other parts of this thread, but the holy foreskin has been considered an important relic, and there are accounts of many kings like Charlemagne having owned it.

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        I know people like to call the holy trinity absurd because of the multiple entities being 1 entity, but I would like to direct your attention to plural people. Holy-trinity-like situations actually occur in real people. Even with different genders.

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          The holy trinity, the father, the son and the holy spirit are the same entity.

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          Don’t know why people are down voting this. That’s canonically correct in the Jewish an Muslim traditions.