Summary
Ahead of the 2024 election, Generation Z has sparked a trend on TikTok, “canceling out” family members’ votes by voting opposite their Trump-supporting relatives. Many young women post videos showing them voting for Democratic nominee Kamala Harris, contrasting with family members supporting Republican nominee Donald Trump.
Although Gen Z voters lean slightly toward Harris, a significant portion supports Trump. With over 47 million early votes cast, polls show a tight race, especially in key swing states.
Smells like Gen Z spirit
Finally a great use of the word “cancel”.
Good thing we have lots of kids, so I as usual cancel out my husband’s vote (if he even bothers this time, R but not enthusiastic about Trump) and all the kids align with me. It may not matter here, with the influx of racist northerners, but who knows?
ETA I have at least one who was not going to vote when it was the two old guys but will vote for Harris.
Huh. I thought young people never voted, so we could ignore their concerns.
Guess that was a fucking lie from people who just wanted to ignore young people’s concerns.
Orrrr…hear me out here
This is a news article about a set of social media posts and has absolutely no link or relevance to the voting register.
you know the cool thing about people voting? You know who has voted and in what age group they are. Then you can look at the age group and say things like hmmm wow thats weird there are like 34 million people in the US between 18 and 24, but only 7 million of them voted, I wonder if the other 27 million would have swayed the margin on an election decided by hundreds of thousands of votes
Young people aren’t participating yet they have the most skin in the game. It’s daft.
Imo Implement compulsory voting, introduce third parties that can act as a protest vote, watch what the fuck happens. Suddenly the major parties have to be accountable outside their base.
The data doesn’t lie. People under 30 vote at embarrassingly lower rates than every other group.
Can confirm. I am 30 and voted. My brother is 29 and claims to not vote.
Do they vote for Democrats less than Republicans vote for Democrats? Because the party expends a fuckton of effort on trying to win over Republicans.
To put it in a way Lemmy would understand: who is it easier to convince to try out your favorite distro, an Ubuntu user or someone who’s never used Linux?
And Democrats keep trying to win over hostile Windows users.
Because people under 30 never have anyone to represent them. And it’s not a “oh they don’t match my views 100% so I’m not gonna pick either” thing, for the average leftist we’re lucky to get a choice between someone who represents us 0%, or 0.2%.
Bullshit, quit providing post hoc justification for your own shitty behavior.
It will take a while for us to get past the inertia of Boomers who have been gaslighting everyone for decades.
And centrists who don’t want to listen to more progressive youngins.
she looks like the black guy from the good place
Lol, that would be Chidi.
Good to see, but in my country the trend is: Vote alt right because it’s edgy.
Nice, 2016 throwback vibes
Fuck. Gen Z should not “lean slightly toward Harris”, Gen Z should be an overwhelming progressive and inclusive force.
Fuck Twitter and TikTok that fried men’s brains with shit like Andrew Tate and similar things.
I mean Harris and “progressive and inclusive” aren’t necessarily one and the same, from the sounds of it it’s Harris that should be pushing more progressive, but in the context of this election I agree they should be voting for Harris
I don’t think you can blame Twitter and TikTok for that. People who like Tate’s toxic masculinity incel garbage will find somewhere that feeds into their preferences.
I don’t think this is necessarily true when talking about modern social media
Well the following is my unscientific belief:
Social media algorithms are studied to make you see always the same kind of beliefs and everything opposing them is discouraged. They incentive inflammatory, divisive and hateful content in order to obtain more engagement, especially on Twitter.
If they used Mastodon or Lemmy, those people would be less tense.
If they used Mastodon or Lemmy, those people would be less tense.
If they had more normies on it, maybe. But Lemmy seems to be composed primarily of the tensest people in the world to me.
Lemmy has some of the most obnoxious Dunning Kruger shit on any social media platform, especially when it comes to politics.
Just so! Particularly with election news being the order of the day. Reminds me that I’m on the hook for something I realistically have very little control over.
I’ll do my bit, but cannot guarantee results.
TikTok I’d wait for evidence, but Elon absolutely boosted people like Tate
It’s probably more that gen z voters are notorious for not responding to survey requests, and ignoring texts and phone calls from unknown numbers
The kids are alright.
Let this be a lesson to everybody - don’t marry a Republican.
My parents would vote by absentee ballot. Dad would have them do it together at the table at the same time. If my mom wanted to vote differently, she’d never have been able to.
I was raised with the very strong belief that my vote was private, and I never had to tell anyone. I think it probably came from my father’s own experiences as a hippie during the War in Vietnam, and voting differently than his conservative family…
Unfortunately, he’s seemingly forgotten all of that in an angry pro-Trump haze, to the point where I’m convinced that he would do this to my mother now. If he had to. I think he’s already got her conditioned to not have a political mind of her own. So no need.
Seems clear now that it was always just the typical boomer mantra of “me me me.” The only reason he had any concept of being ostracized by family for voting a certain way, is because it happened to him. Now it doesn’t matter because they all know he’s a fucking nutter, so no need to hide it I guess.
In other words, if I were being raised by him right now, he’d be saying something completely different (and probably demanding to see my ballot). Just like every other value he instilled in me, then immediately ignored for the rest of his life.
That sounds illegal. Domestic Abuse AND Voter Intimidation
Ah yes. Cops the the rescue.
They literally couldn’t enact a fully passed bill preventing domestic abusers from owning guns because the police are full of them.
Hey, 60% of police have not been caught beating their wives!
My father use to send me into the voting booth with my mother to make sure she “remembered” who to vote for…no election officials ever stopped me from going in there and I was too young to understand that I was a spy. My father’s not violent but I’m sure I wasn’t the only child spy being used by men who were.
“Gen Z supports trump.”
[Citation Desperately Needed[
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/breaking-down-gender-gap-gen-z-politics-desk-rcna177155 about the poll results they’re referring to in the article. Gen Z has the biggest gender gap of all the age groups, with women for Harris by a 33 point margin, but the men about evenly split between Harris and Trump.
If you think about the new voters coming of voting age for this election, it’s been 9 years since Trump rode down the escalator to kick off his campaign. So they were too young to hear about or pay attention to a lot the unsavory stuff about him back then, like the Access Hollywood tape. For some reason, many Gen Z men find him appealing, but not Gen Z women. For instance today I saw this video of two Gen Z young women hearing the Access Hollywood audio for the first time. You can see how horrified they are (as most normal people were back when it first came out).
I hope Gen Z shows up. I don’t buy into poll results.
I can’t cancel my parents out because they’re dead. But they actually got more liberal as they got older and they would have canceled my sister’s Wisconsin trump vote.
We as a country need to mentally prepare ourselves to owe an absolutely massssssssssive debt of gratitude to The Women.
Saving our dumb collective ass again. As usual in elections at least within my fucking lifetime, women and ethnic minorities prove that they understand the values of America better than the ultra-fragile white conservative men who think they own this place by virtual of sex and race.
It’s easier to get behind and push for those American values when you realize you aren’t really equal – not because of anything you did, but because you simply exist. It’s hard to not feel bitter about it, especially when part of the population wants you dead and is actively trying to persuade everyone else to get on board.
But we see our allies, we know who is standing up for us. We stand with you, for everyone’s sake. Together we can overcome this.
Up here in Canada as well. Almost exactly half of men, across all age groups, say they play to vote for the Cons. Last I saw it was 20% of women voting Con. I am incredibly embarrassed at my fellow men.
Polievre wants to defund the CBC, build more oil pipelines and continue the expansion of city suburbs. No way I’d vote for that guy. The only good thing I’ve seen him say is that there should be more competition in the telecommunications market, but it does not take much effort to point out a problem.
There are so many issues with a Con government–like not even admitting climate change exists, that’s not great–and you mentioned many others.
I’m honestly tired of women bailing us out in these elections though, so I cannot imagine what it’s like for them to have to keep doing it.
I’m honestly tired of women bailing us out in these elections though, so I cannot imagine what it’s like for them to have to keep doing it.
That said, when men were losing their jobs they got told “learn to code” by callous and shitty journalists and women’s rights activists. It’s not hard to see why men are abandoning liberal governments that blame them for everything even while they are experiencing statistically worse outcomes with each successive generation.
The solution is so simple that you have to be abandoning it on purpose: promise men educations and to help them get employed, and you’ll get all the support you need.
That said, when men were losing their jobs hey got told “learn to code” by callous and shitty journalists and women’s rights activists.
Where on earth has this happened?
The solution is so simple that you have to be abandoning it on purpose: promise men educations and to help them get employed, and you’ll get all the support you need.
So tell the men in charge to do that. We don’t live in a matriarchy, women fight the exact same fights you mentioned. You think women don’t get laid off just like men do? I’ve been in games for almost 20 years and I can tell you it’s not any better for the women in it.
That said, when men were losing their jobs they got told “learn to code” by callous and shitty journalists and women’s rights activists. It’s not hard to see why men are abandoning liberal governments that blame them for everything even while they are experiencing statistically worse outcomes with each successive generation.
I will say, we’d never be in this mess if we didn’t have the Twitter crowd claiming Masculinity and Whiteness are sins in and of themselves.
Tell a white man he’s evil cause he’s a white man, and he’ll gladly side with someone who admits to being racist.
He practically wants to ban porn too. He’s not a very nice fellow.
Forget the porn, it’s the absolute insanity of forcing (and allowing) all these different web services to get and maintain our identities. Huge privacy breach from people preaching that government overreach is bad… This hypocrisy gets old fast.
The only good thing I’ve seen him say is that there should be more competition in the telecommunications market
The Conservatives didn’t do anything last time about this despite it being a big discussion point, and they had years of majority to do it. I don’t see them changing tack since they don’t seem too bothered by any of Canada’s other oligarchs.
All that said, the Liberals barely took a step forward on this either, right before taking a huge step back allowing Rogers and Shaw to merge. These damned neoliberals just refuse to help anyone.
I have been a Liberal since I was 12 years old. I have never voted conservative in 30 years of federal elections. But with Trudeau refusing to step down I have no choice but to vote conservative. The backbenchers know they’re not going to get re-elected with him in charge and that’s why most of them have been relegated to the back benches. He’s surrounded himself with sycophant MPs, and is delusional enough to think the majority of the country is happy with him.
I’m willing to let Skippy axe the carbon tax and hopefully make living in this country affordable again. Ontario generally elects a provincial party that is in opposition, provincial liberals will get in and reintroduce cap & trade which will save us when the next liberal government is elected and tries to save the world again.
But with Trudeau refusing to step down I have no choice but to vote conservative.
NDP, Green?
I’m willing to let Skippy axe the carbon tax and hopefully make living in this country affordable again. Ontario generally elects a provincial party that is in opposition, provincial liberals will get in and reintroduce cap & trade which will save us when the next liberal government is elected and tries to save the world again.
When we’re voting on abortion again, I hope the women in your life have a chat with you about how your vote effected them.
… wot
Wasn’t there a large percentage of white women who said they’d vote Trump even if he wanted to ban women from voting?
“Large percentage”. Please state and citate.
(Tbh, 1% would be a large percentage of a group voting away their own rights)
Hell, we already wouldn’t be here without them.
We can only hope…
Very good way to frame voting to make it obvious it matters.
One person litters, you see a water bottle on the ground. Everybody litters, your town sucks. Tragedy of the commons takes an extra mental thinking to act on in day to day life.
Yes and/but you might be interested to know these things about the “Tragedy of the Commons”:
Elinor Ostrom, awarded the Nobel Prize in Economics in 2009, fundamentally challenged the “tragedy of the commons” theory, which Garrett Hardin popularized in 1968. Hardin’s theory argued that shared resources—like grazing land or fisheries—inevitably suffer from overuse because each user, acting in self-interest, seeks to maximize personal gain. Without external regulation or privatization, Hardin claimed, such resources would degrade irreparably.
Ostrom’s work provided a different perspective based on extensive field research across diverse communities managing shared resources, such as forests in Nepal and fisheries in Turkey. Through these studies, she found that local groups often developed effective, self-governing systems to sustain and share resources equitably. Ostrom identified eight core principles, such as clear resource boundaries, community-devised rules, local monitoring, and graduated sanctions for rule violations, which contribute to sustainable communal resource management. By documenting these successful cases, she demonstrated that, under certain conditions, communities could avoid the “tragedy” without privatization or top-down control.
Ostrom’s insights reshaped economic thinking by showing that cooperation, rather than competition alone, could lead to sustainable resource use. Her findings emphasize that real-world communities often solve commons problems through trust, local knowledge, and shared governance, challenging the idea that only private ownership or government intervention can manage common resources effectively. Ostrom’s approach has since inspired policies and frameworks for resource management across environmental, urban, and even space governance contexts, as her principles underscore the potential of collective, decentralized solutions to common-pool problems.
Her work offers an empowering view of human capacity for self-organization, contradicting the inevitability of Hardin’s “tragedy” and suggesting new possibilities for addressing global commons issues like climate change and biodiversity loss. This impact has encouraged rethinking in fields ranging from political science to ecology and economics.
Sources:
• Inside Story, “The not-so-tragic commons”
• Resilience, “The Victory of the Commons”
• Space Foundation, “The Commons Solution”
The distinction between “government regulation” on one hand and “community-devised rules, local monitoring and graduated sanctions for rule violations” on the other seems entirely artificial to me. In both cases rules and enforcement are set up to avoid the tragedy. The latter just uses more feel-good words to describe local government.
Also Hardin was a white nationalist and pushed his “tragedy of the commons” theory as a justification for eugenics.
So every time someone references his pseudoscience, they’re breathing life back into a dead fascist’s racism. Yaaaaayyy…
The concept of the tragedy of the commons existed centuries before Hardin. He just uses that concept to justify an unsound conclusion and the concept would exist whether he wrote his paper or not.
Every time someone references it, they’re referencing that concept that really does affect communal resources, and probably have no idea what argument Hardin ever made based on it.
The beginning of the paper lays out the idea very well and I use it to teach people to treat shared resources respectfully, but tell them not to bother reading the conclusion.
The Tragedy of the Commons is a capitalist myth just like the Myth of Barter.
How?
OP explained the former. David Graeber talked about the latter in his book Debt: The First 5,000 Years
I don’t see the former, maybe I’m overlooking something. Also, I’m not going to read a book to get that answer.
Imagining Hardins tragedy is a tragedy in itself. It would imply that throughout all of human history, the only way civilization has advanced at all is by being pulled along, kicking and screaming, by great men.
What an absolute bleak view of existence, of people, our neighbors and their compacity, capabilities and faculties. I can only assume that Hardin was so caught up in his tragedy he failed to realize how self aggrandizing it is. That it’s more a display of his contempt of people than his realizing a deeper understanding. Like a flashing neon sign that says:
Main character syndrome ↙️ 🙋
I think ultimately Hardin, and those that share his perspective, suffer from a form a Last-Thursday-ism, where they just can’t be convinced the universe didn’t form completely and exactly like this last Thursday, because it’s almost as if they put effort never taking the past into account, and assuredly if there IS a past, that they are more advance and smarter than anyone of “them” that “supposedly” existed. The fact that humans 250,000years ago were just as intelligent, just as clever, just as complicated - that they were just adapted to their environment (as are we all), is impossible for them to grasp. I’m sure attempting would cause them to stroke out. We are all cavemen. We just build our own caves out of tree bones, baked earth, or ground up and reconstituted rock.Modern contemporary humanity just has access to more knowledge, but we aren’t any more innately equipped for it. We aren’t any better at processing and memorizing it, or even responsibly attenuating and distributing it. With time, sure, we have maybe gotten better at describing it, but even there, perhaps most obviously there, we are far from complete. Language is still evolving, and accurate language to describe an enormity of what we experience does not yet exist.
That’s one of the things I like to tell friends or family I know that will say “Voting doesn’t matter”. I’ll usually say something like, “Think of the most vile person on the opposite side. If you vote then you’re negating their vote at a minimum. Because you know that extreme person is going to vote every time.”
Doesn’t always work since some people are stubborn but changed a few people!
A friend of mine said to think of it as knocking a red Maga hat off someone’s head, lol.
