Trump is winning all these states and look at the percentages. How?
Edit: many news agency are calling PA for Trump. So we are truly fucked.
I’m 65 and the country is essentially fucked for the remainder of my lifetime. The judiciary, federal appointments, cabinet secretaries, SCOTUS… We’re screwed
Unfortunately, at some point you have to come to terms with the fact that you’re sharing your country with a bunch of racist morons, and them plus the group who shift with the wind, don’t check candidates’ promises against the facts and apparently have no moral principles equals enough people to win the election.
It is fucking depressing. I feel for you all. When Britain showed it’s true colours I left the country. Same problems, fortunately not as bad an outcome (although still pretty bad).
I hope the DNC learns from this. They won’t, but I hope they do anyway.
RIP what was the United States of America
So americans. You always praise your second amendment because it will defend democracy. How about you proof it this time?
Democracy dies in broad daylight, it turns out.
Everyone who voted for Trump knew exactly what they did. Everyone who didn’t show up to effectively vote against him had every way of knowing exactly what they were doing as well.
No excuses. This is America. Maybe they just hate women. Maybe they simply love fascism. Doesn’t matter. This is who they are.
The next years will be a fight unlike anything. And no matter how hard the better angels of American society fights, it will still be a tragedy unlike anything we can currently imagine.
As a Swede this is not the news I wanted to wake up to. Let’s just pray Trump is going to spend all these four years on the golf course as much as possible.
Jesus Christ as a fucking American I don’t know what the fuck happened…what’s the point of us?
Even if he never said another thing for 4 years, the people that would get installed would ruin everything. I fucking hate my country right now.
As an American who voted against him to save democracy here, I can’t even sleep. If it wasn’t for my girlfriend and my family I would have probably killed myself tonight. Dark days ahead, of a scale I can’t even imagine. The worst part is the feeling of betrayal by my countrymen. I don’t belong here anymore, but I can’t leave those I love.
Don’t kill yourself. Get some sleep and give it some time. You can always die later and maybe there will be an opportunity to do some good in the meantime.
I have a girlfriend and family and yet I’m still considering ending it all. Someone please bring me strength. My entire family is either against me or apathetic and I just can’t take it anymore. I’ve struggled with depression all my life but between losing my job recently and seeing these election results, I think I’ve reached my breaking point.
No sleep will come my way tonight, either. I plan on continuing to drink and smoke until I pass out but I’m only going to regret this tomorrow once the hangover kicks in and brings me to an even lower low. I don’t know what else to do, though. I’m surrounded by fucking idiots who obviously didn’t realize just exactly what was at stake for the future of not only the county, but the whole god damn planet.
I know I’m screaming into the void here but like so many other of us, I need to fucking vent. Either help me or ignore this comnent; nothing matters anymore.
Edit: you have no idea how of an impact you’ve just made with your words. These are dark times but we’ve all been through worse. Thank you for the hope, and here’s to a scary and uncertain future. 🎉😭
Please stay around. We’ll need good people for whatever comes. If you end it, nothing good comes from it. If you hang on, and help like-minded people through the storm ahead, then at least some good may come.
Your girlfriend will surely miss you. Please don’t do anything rash.
I feel that. I’m going through a divorce right now and I am losing everything. My house, my dog, my wife, my country. I also fear what a Trump presidency will do to our planet. I am here in the void with you, and I can hear your screams. You matter to me. We are surrounded by fucking idiots, and I feel a little less alone thanks to your comment. Something within you motivated you to make this comment, to ask for help. Hold on to that. I hope you will stay here.
I feel for you. Thank you for the encouragement. I don’t know what the future holds but at least we’re not alone in this struggle. ❤️
Don’t let the world fall into the hands of bad people! Good people must find new ways to fight the bad!
Thank you my friend. I really appreciate your words of encouragement. ❤️❤️❤️
All that’s required for bad men to succeed is for good men to do nothing.
Be strong. The world needs you.
That was my dad’s favorite quote. Funny you mentioned it. It means a lot to me, even if it was a coincidence. Thank you ❤️❤️
Please don’t do anything rash. The fight still goes on, the not-fascist part of America needs you! Love and support from France
❤️ I won’t because of wonderful people like you. Much love and hopefully we gsn get past these dark days as a whole. ❤️
Find other people who share your views. Provide mutual support. Get organized. You’re not alone.
Belirge me, brother, I’m trying. I’m not there yet but one day hope I will find my people. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
It’s honestly not that bad. Yeah, Trump sucks and we’ll probably see some regression in a few areas, just like we did in his first term. But we got through that and things are still pretty okay. I’m guessing we’ll see some inflation as well, but nothing nearly as bad as we saw just after COVID, and we got through that.
Turn off the news and do things you enjoy. Cuddle with your girlfriend and vent your frustrations. Yes who the President is matters, but it matters a lot less than many people like to claim.
Good luck sir or madame, we’ll get through this together.
With this supreme Court they’re literally going to roll back everything from the New deal onwards.
Kiss everything American goodbye and welcome to austerity. That’s when the right runs something bankrupt then takes away all of the social safety networks to pay for it. While the rich rake it in congratulations were just a bunch of fools
We need reasonable people like you in this chaos.
Please be okay. We can go on <3
Don’t mourn. Organize.
Oh he will, and he’ll be selling us all out to his cronies while not lifting a finger
I don’t see the difference, really, since both support the Israeli genocide. Trump is going to be harder on China, and last he was president, he pushed us closer towards the EU which is a good thing.
closer towards the EU
Hahahaha closer?!?! Hahahaha he calls US allies the true enemies, and Russia and China are not so bad.
What the fuck have you been smoking for the past 12 years?Im pretty sure there are things that exist other than Israel and Palestine
Bro what the fuck? He basically said, “fuck NATO”. He wants to give Ukraine to Putin.
One tries to open uo humanitarian corridors, the other one wants Israel to finish the job. One is celebrated by Netanyahu, one isnt.
But both sides same
This makes me wonder tho. In movies, the US president is often portrait as whoever is president. During the clinton and bush years, the president was a white haired older guy. Later it was sometimes portrait as either a black person or just obama himself. Before all that it was often just basically nixon. But there was never the fat idiot. Now the fat idiot is gonna be president for 8 years, is hollywood just gonna ignore that or is anyone having the balls to portray the president as a incompetent grossly overweight idiot?
Buck up, it’s only 4 years /s
I’m so tired of being the Cassandra of my social life - I call this shit out years ahead of time and nobody believes me or takes my analysis seriously because I said that I’m a communist. Like, holy shit, yes, I am a communist - I want workers to own the entirety of society. That’s the exact opposite of these fascist fucks who essentially want bosses, money and corps to control society. I’m a communist because I saw this fascism coming, I recognized the patterns and incentive structures in society, and realized communism is the best way to defeat fascism - we have to decisively win the class war. And this is a war, don’t confuse it. Mark my words, now that things have gotten to this point, massive violence is inevitable soon.
I don’t think people will commit massive violence to save their rights. The majority just conforms to the regime (which many of them voted for and are comfortable with) and the minority is too weak. I think they’re going to obey and suffer quietly rather than risk direct oppression. Just like in other totalitarian countries.
They are willing to kill you to maintain the status quo. If you are not willing to do the same then you have already lost.
I’m with you time for that strike. We need to shut the economy down. No one should go to work. Shut fucking highway down the whole nine yards.
You can probably just wait until like Feb 2025 for trump to shut the economy down.
It sucks to be right about horrid things. You can’t gloat. You can’t be happy. You can only be in bigger misery knowing how to solve it, and knowing no else noticed until it was too late.
This is our life. We were right. No one cared. Now we’re all in danger.
Those that voted for independents to protest or abstained or voted red for the luls probably took just enough votes away from her to cause this. Hope it was worth it. This is gonna get bumpy.
Nope but honestly what I expected.
To quote the great George Carlin
Now, there’s one thing you might have noticed I don’t complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don’t fall out of the sky. They don’t pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It’s what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you’re going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain’t going to do any good; you’re just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it’s not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here… like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There’s a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. F*ck Hope.
Americans will accept a convicted felon, rapist, and vocal fascist of you simply promise people lower prices on eggs by using tariffs.
And tariffs will cause inflation, not lower prices.
And tariffs have all but grantee that our prices will sore threw the roof. We will have the worst economy since the great depression. Lot of people just fucked us. Themselves including.
But corporate profits will continue soaring as the wealth gap spreads like the cheeks of the working class getting fucked up the ass.
Don’t forget a national abortion ban and whatever else thay planned in Project 2025.
2025 ends democracy in America and install a Christian theocracy. In 5 years we will see the camps and gas chambers right after. Remember Nazi rounded up opposition and gays before they began rounding up jews.Ala9 how lomg after he wims and ends elections before he starts that deport the illegals? Remember fucking immigrants who voted for him. That means you to. They revoke your citizenship and otf you go to the camps too.
I’m Canadian, so maybe I don’t understand US state vs. feds as well as I could. That said, what bit I know points to a federally-mandated nation-wide abortion ban being a mess that would take longer than 4 years to sort out. If Trump individually could stall most of his cases for a year+ then the states, some of which likely enshrined abortion rights into law tonight, will drag it out past this Presidency.Turns out I didn’t understand, and reproductive rights in the US are looking VERY tenuous right now.My guess is the next 4 years at least will see a big surge in “abortion tourism”, unsafe amateur abortions killing women, punitive reproductive lawsuits, and more horrific cases of women dying in hospitals or being forced to carry rape babies. Especially among the poor who can’t afford to take a quiet trip like the middle class/rich to do the very thing they voted to make illegal.
Start the underground railway now.
As an American who follows this stuff pretty closely, a national abortion ban will be opposed in the courts by the states, but it will very quickly get to the Supreme Court to assess the constitutionality of the ban. When congress passes a law, the president signs it, and the Supreme Court rules that the law is constitutional, that is basically the end of it. Our current court will absolutely uphold a national abortion ban.
I think that the only way we avoid a national abortion ban under a Trump presidency is if the House of Representatives refuses to pass the ban. There is a slim chance that would happen but it’s possible.
Oof, I thought the states were more independent than that regarding healthcare in their borders. If that happens you folks are looking at some hard times ahead. All that stuff I edited into the end of my posts will become inescapable. I would find a silver lining in the fact that finally Republican women would be unable to get away with their “the only moral abortion is my own” BS, but I hate the thought of any woman dying or being forced to make desperate choices.
You’re correct that the states are more independent under the current interpretation of the law. GP is expecting the Supreme Court to overturn its own current interpretation to get that national abortion ban through.
They’re planning “Meritocracy checks”, so get ready for a lot of white men throwing a real big hissyfit every time they lose a job position to a minority or a woman.
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magical tariffs no doubt. The worst part is he’s going to be doing it with silicon valley so it won’t take long before they run out of scapegoats.
He goes on to say he doesn’t vote. So he can complain.
America talk about a complete self own. Letting a felon, rapist, con man rule the country. I am sure things are going to work out great.
I think this country has just shown who it really is. One could say we were conned in 2016 but now everyone knows who he is and still voted for him. This is who we are apparently.
At least he’s not black and or a women. Democracy is saved.
You missplelled white supremacy. In the end dumb white folks without degrees that were losing their privileges when put to fair competition in the job market, put him back in office. Murica
I actually think you’re wrong. Having MAGA family members, I tuink they are legitimately brainwashed. They are in a bubble where they don’t hear the bad about Trump. They only hear good things about him and ad things about his enemies. Some of what they hear is true, much of it is lies, all of it is intended to scare.
I think that, had these people heard the same things the rest of us did, at least some of them would be voting differently. Not all, but enough.
It’s a good thing that the department of education is the first thing to go. We can’t have an educated populace to raise a stink or anything.
This is who a majority are. They will get their rewards.
What reward? Maga are also getting eaten by leopards pretty soon (oh so this is what tariffs means). But eh they owned the libs
To be fair this is who the electoral college is. She probably got better than 50% of the popular vote.
She’s down around 5 million votes which is unbelievable.
Correct. This country is fucking trash.
*again
I hate this and I want out.
This world is fucked.
I really feel for my kids, man. I really thought we could defeat this shit but the racism and sexism is just too much.
Ukraine is toast, Europe better prepare for millions of refugees, Taiwan is fucked, we are fucked fucked fucked.
Me and my wife were waiting on how this election went before having kids. Got a call with the vasectomy office tomorrow.
Thank you for being sane and reasonable.
It’s not really that reasonable. In 10-20 years sane people will die out cause evolution apparently
What I propose instead is to adopt
We adopt stray cats and dogs instead of buying yet we can’t muster courage to do the same for fellow humans?
Oh I would adopt too. I thought it was stupid to raise kids when I’m broke and facism was knocking on the door.
If my kid was a disabled queer like I am, they’d have a hard time telling me what they are thinking, and I have a hard time understanding direct statements.
If I had sex with someone of color, that kid is even more at risk. It’s not fair to give them a chance to be hated for something they can’t control, and never asked to be targeted for their skin.
It’s immoral to me, and I find people who had kids in the Post-Trump America morons who want more blood on the ground for corporations and water wars.
It’s not stupid to raise kids the right way when facism is knocking at the doors. On the contrary, it is necessary.
For evil to win it is enough if good people do nothing.
And if the fascists win and give the kids scars mentally and physically, they never asked for?
My parents had me and they expected a positive outcome. Then things got way worse without them seeing it happening. My life was set up to be good, they planned ahead. And then it was taken away from them.
Now they had to raise a kid in poverty, have another kid attend classes, as the mom snaps from the stress and abuses all of her family.
You can plan to stop fascism as much as you think you can give birth to the person who cures all cancers or solves world hunger. What you plan for isn’t guaranteed to happen. I expected Clinton to win against Trump. I expected Harris to win against Trump.
And now every child forced into birth from lack of abortion access has a horrid life to live. If they are anyone the Trump fascists hate, they will be bullied or maimed. You can’t lynch someone who’s never been born.
I couldn’t live with my kid being harmed. By myself, trying my best. Or someone acting in bad faith to hurt them. I don’t want to give someone who never asked to be born to ask “Why?”
Well the other side has no such thoughts at all. They multiply without hesitation or second guessing. Unfortunately the laws of evolution are cruel and in such world one can only hope to shape their descendants and what is left there after the departure.
To cultivate our traditions of empathy we must overcome these doubts lest all is left are traditions of facism. And best way to do it is to adopt existing… misfortunes and try to make them more fortunate for the better of everyone.
Those kids were born anyway, the decision has been made for them already. Now the only decision is to be made how to raise them. Avoiding this burden will only make them lost and hateful.
…Are you me? And don’t forget, the Supreme Court can always get worse…It’s all going to get worse - except for the rich. 🎉
And not just the Supreme Court how many more federal judges are going to be propped up.
Yep, this is not a four year change, this could last for a very very long time.
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You know who I blame?
Facebook.
They’ve abandoned cable, so where does all my conservative family live. Where do they get news and basically their entire world-view?
Facebook.
And they live in a totally different universe.
Meta made mega bucks electing Donald Trump because he’s so engaging. Trumpism is just too profitable. And I’m not sure I can forgive that in my lifetime.
Mainstream media did the same. Trump didn’t need raise money for ads. Every major news stations did nothing but give Trump front page coverage.
Bingo.
I get downvoted for saying “there’s no such thing as bad attention,” and here we are. This is 2024, there is no such thing as bad engagement. Even the US presidency is a straight-up name recognition contest.
Not just mainstream ads, this very same Lemmy community wouldn’t shut the heck up about Trump and kept posting about him and Musk. And we’re gonna do it again for another 4 years, then act surprised when the next MAGA wins again.
Next mega there wont he a next time this it. He didn’t lie when he told the Christian right that they wouldn’t have to vote no more in 4 years they he will have it fixed.
X too.
X’s supreme dictator openly campaigns for Trump. He even promised to pay millions of dollars to help people vote for Trump. So yeah, I reckon that probably had an effect.
The DNC has fumbled the bag to an epic degree. You are right that this should have been a slam dunk, easy win for the DNC. Unfortunately, the DNC also thought this race was easily won, so they just stopped trying.
The DNC made overtures toward conservative voters. “We’re gonna build the wall” or “we’re welcoming the Cheney’s into our coalition”. They needed to run on hope and change to activate low propensity voters. Instead, they ran on harm reduction without offering to change things for the better. The message was, “Trump is 100% Hitler, vote for us because we’re only 90% Hitler”.
The least the DNC could have done was lie about doing nice things.
Blaming the DNC has gotten stale and boring. Kamala couldn’t have run a better campaign in how little time there was, she still nailed it. At what point do we just admit that most of the public is just too braindead?
She nailed it? You mean like how for 8 years she thought the border wall is a stupid idea and then suddenly she pivots into “yup, we totally need that wall”? Or when she got all buddy buddy with the likes of Cheney when the core democrats loathe Cheney? She had time to appeal to the republican voters but not to the 16 million voters who voted for Biden and not her? She had plenty of time to nail her campaign and she didn’t.
And I’ll just add this as a non-American. It’s a very American thing to think election campaigns have to be long, because they are long in America. She got over 3 months to campaign and that would’ve been enough time in most countries. Just to give some context: Mexico’s president campaigned for 93 days, Canada’s last federal election was 36 days, Australian president campaigned for 36 days, India campaign was 33 days, Brazil was 90 days.
For cunts like that commenter, never. In a sane world the voters were always to blame. They are the ones who fucked us like this twice now. I hate America and no longer have any hope for it at all. Fuck this place.
Not braindead, they are just bad people.
In a way, the commenter you responded to already did. People act where they think their actions will do something. You might push a heavy wagon; you probably wouldn’t push a mountain.
They’re distributing blame among the actors they know they had a chance of improving.
The DNC is at fault. Either they should have had Biden not run again at all or not backstab him to get rid of him so late.
I still blame them for shafting Bernie, he was the one we needed but we got we deserved
Fuck off. This isn’t about the DNC, this is about half of our fucking country being actual goddamn Nazis who froth at the mouth in excitement at the idea of victimizing women and minorities.
All this election has told me is that half of America is a literal shithole and people will always be more hateful than hopeful.
I don’t even know how the fuck we come back from this.
how did obama got elected twice ? infact his 2008 was most dominant one in like 30 years
Because the country, the political climate, literally the voters themselves are different today than they were in 2008. Hate is a disease - it grows and spreads, and it has been actively been cultivated and stoked to great effect ever since 2008. Unfortunately it’s also a snowball running down a hill; if you don’t stop it in time, it becomes unstoppable. And we missed the chance to stop it.
The Republicans won because they were 100% Hitler, not in spite of it. The electoral college majority voted for Hitler
The electoral college majority voted for Hitler
All indication is that the popular vote went for him too! America is now officially a fascist country. They’re about to have control of not just the Presidency and SCOTUS, but also both houses of Congress. And they will continue to control a majority of state governments.
Yes, this absolutely will not change in our lifetimes unless drastic things happen that can change the hearts of a huge swath of our population.
Naww, people don’t like Hitler shit. The average Trump voter has been tricked into supporting stuff like “mass deportation”, but once you ask 'em about specifics, they are not on board.
The problem is that the DNC didn’t call any of this stuff out. The Democrats should have constantly asked, “How are you gonna do mass deportations of 20 million immigrants? Are you gonna kidnap people from their homes? You gonna put them in concentration camps at the border? Tattoo numbers for easy organization?”
The DNC failed in their messaging of calling out the Hitler shit, instead choosing to adopt the Hitler shit. “We’re gonna build the wall to keep bad immigrants out. We’re gonna deport the bad immigrants who are here. We won’t build camps though, only because that would be economically unfeasible.”
To add to this, I saw a Fox News exit poll during the day where immigration was brought up as a topic of concern. About 55% of responses were in favor of making immigration into the US easier while 45% said it was a concern and should be made more strict. The Democratic party lets Conservatives control the narrative and are surprised when their appeasements fall short of expectations within both parties.
They’re not being tricked, he’s been painfully clear.
100%. But Dems lost because they didn’t offer anything. No one is motivated by a Chaney. People are motivated by UBI, stopping genocides, etc
No way blue turnout is even marginally higher and any possible red votes go to zero.
The US as a whole is simply irredeemable. The want blood, and they’re going to get it.
nah can’t be that. we all became racist after electing a black president just a decade ago. any chance they sabotaged candidates representing their voters, let mega-corporate run loose and fund a genocide ?
can’t be that, so lets put this on racist sexist anti-semites
We increasingly live in social silos, if you are not a Trumper you will not know about the frequency of the messaging or even its nature most of the time. Like it or not Trump’s words speak to the average American, his speeches align with the explicitly nationalistic, racist and generally hateful nonsense that most of them have been drip fed over the course of their lives via media, religion and education. It brings them a sense of comfort.
I went to my grandparents house recently and fox was blaring on the to the whole time. The amount of absolutely false nonsense they scream is incessant and designed to inspire fear. Fuck conservatives and their hate speech
I’m so fucking sick of the fascists getting let off the hook. America is trash and so is everyone who excuses these piece of shit voters
Turnout was at record highs. So the problem wasn’t “activating low propensity voters”.
The problem was that those voters were already activated, and they preferred Trump.
The Stay At Home Party is humongous every election. They represent a giant source of potential that the DNC keeps ignoring in favor of trying to sway some Conservatives. The DNC is picking at crumbs when almost half the cake is sitting on the table.It’s much more efficient to sway people that vote than it is to sway those that don’t vote
Clearly not
Kamala was a great candidate, and they did activate voters that wouldn’t otherwise have voted.
but a national, historical conservative program of voter suppression plus the judges they’ve appointed over the years is difficult to circumvent.
I mean, also apparently enough Americans like rapists that voter suppression matters.
Such a bullshit comment. There was an interview of an elderly woman who said she had switched to Trump from voting democrat because he had built things like his hotel and casino and what the US needed was a builder. People are getting stuck inside of their social network bubbles and not bothering to look outside, while we are also enabling the manipulation of social networks on a whole other level (Elon Musk, X) instead of fighting disinformation and bringing in the sort of controls that television networks once had to be liable for.
Guess Democrats think they can survive a second Trump term. Maybe all that wealth they earned was enough to sell us off. They are about to get a rude awakening. If Trump wins I hope he keeps his promises and hangs rhem first.
I want to wipe the smug smiles off their faces. We better be ready to fight. Because there will be no more elections after Trump wins. Bet you that.
Oh, there will be elections, but they will be like Putin’s elections or Orban’s elections.
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